QB Verdict is in...

Montana Redskin · Post by **Montana Redskin** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:39 pm

Brunell has to go, I mean, he's absolutely horrible??? But the problem is I don't know who I want in there because Ramsey will get things rolling and then throw pics all day long and get sacked? We have 2 choices, Brunell who can scramble and miss throw after throw or Ramsey who can't and will get sacked, but get more yards with a lot more pics sprinkled in....

That leaves.........Hasselback....he can scramble and probably throw better than Brunell. Let's give him a shot.

We're done if Brunell is in there...

doroshjt · Post by **doroshjt** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:42 pm

The good think about ramsey's turnovers are that they will tend to be DOWN FIELD and hard to run back for TD's. That way our defense can stop them and we'll end up scoring more and giving up less

skinswin · Post by **skinswin** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:44 pm

Hasselback could lead this team easily as he has proved it. Ramsey is still the QB of the future you just have to give him time. Gibbs knows how to groom a QB and groom is what he will do with Ramsey. Is Brunell the short answer (let me think about that) ah..... NO!!! Hassleback is a better answer than Brunell.

Bacon · Post by **Bacon** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:49 pm

skinswin wrote:Hasselback could lead this team easily as he has proved it. Ramsey is still the QB of the future you just have to give him time. Gibbs knows how to groom a QB and groom is what he will do with Ramsey. Is Brunell the short answer (let me think about that) ah..... NO!!! Hassleback is a better answer than Brunell.

Brunell at 3rd string?

Never thought that would even be possible...

MtSherwood7 · Post by **MtSherwood7** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:53 pm

I think that we absolutely have to bench Brunell, I mean 9-22 against a poor pass defense just doesnt cut it!!! With Ramsey in, I believe we will be much more of a downfield threat and that will open things up for Portis. Remember; defense wins championships, and if we can get our offense to score 20+ points a game, there is no reason that we shouldnt make the playoffs.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:15 pm

I can't believe you guys keep on dissing Brunell. He's in a new system with a new team. Give him time to be comfortable with it. He came through with that scramble for the first down this game. That was a key play. He will get there.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:17 pm

Oops one more thing. Brunnell was pressured quite a few times by Chicago's Defensive Line. He had several batted balls AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, which one was picked off and returned the distanced.

You can't blame those on Brunell. At least I can't.

MtSherwood7 · Post by **MtSherwood7** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:23 pm

You bring up a good point Redskins Rule, but I believe that Brunell does not have the arm strength to go down field as well as Ramsey which is precisely what this offense needs. If they cannot stretch the field with the deep ball, then opposing defenses will continue to stack the line and limit Portis to shorter gains.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:28 pm

You also bring up a good point Mt Sherwood! I have to say in response that Brunnel won the starting job from Ramsey. He won it because he could read the defenses better then Ramsey. Have you ever noticed the difference in audibles? Ramsey's audibles have just sucked, but Brunnel's for the most part have been right on! Remember in the beginning of this game when he faked out Urlacher and the defense with his audible? They thought pass but it was a run.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:36 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:Oops one more thing. Brunnell was pressured quite a few times by Chicago's Defensive Line. He had several batted balls AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, which one was picked off and returned the distanced.

You can't blame those on Brunell. At least I can't.

Actualy Brunell can be blamed for most of these...He's not looking off the recievers so the defense is just wayching him and they know where he's going with the ball, then it's just a meyyer of timing their jump to bat down the ball or tip tip it jn the air so it can be intercepted. The pressure is not is fault althogh he could shorten he seven step drop to seven steps instead of 10

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:45 pm

I still can't blame Brunell for guys being in his face. At least not when he's in a new system with a new team. He just doesn't know his team/ system very well right now. I have to give him some slack. At least for now.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:48 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:I still can't blame Brunell for guys being in his face. At least not when he's in a new system with a new team. He just doesn't know his team/ system very well right now. I have to give him some slack. At least for now.

How much time do we give him? He was signed in Febuary..

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:49 pm

With this D we need a guy who won't "lose the game" as far as I can see Brunell has not lost any games for us. Gibbs know this, that's why he reluctant to make the switch

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:50 pm

Just give him a couple more games. I won't defend him as hard as I'm now if he's still throwing bad come week 10.

MtSherwood7 · Post by **MtSherwood7** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:08 pm

You could argue he lost the game for us against Baltimore, almost lost the game against Chicago, and Tampa Bay, and he failed to beat Cleveland...come on now.

reggiebrooks4life · Post by **reggiebrooks4life** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:12 pm

he didn't almost lose the game for us..it was a tipped pass...it happens

reggiebrooks4life · Post by **reggiebrooks4life** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:14 pm

i think the problem is with the playcalling..you can't run 5 yard routes all day long

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:16 pm

MtSherwood7 wrote:You could argue he lost the game for us against Baltimore, almost lost the game against Chicago, and Tampa Bay, and he failed to beat Cleveland...come on now.

Brunell didn't lose the game to Baltimore. Our special teams did. Betts should have blocked Ed Reed. If he would have, Brunell wouldn't have fumbled because he would have already thrown the ball away before Reed could hit him. Portis's fumble in Clevland helped us with that loss, not Brunell. I believe that Brunell is our best chance to win now. Ramsey looked putrid in the pre-season and in the Giants game. There is a reason why Gibbs doesn't plan on changing QBs. I believe Brunell will improve.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:18 pm

Failed to beat Cleveland when Portis fumbled and that led to a touchdown. What about three bootlegs in a row that Washington gave up for a touchdown in that game.

Come on Mt Sherwood. I can't and I won't blame Brunnel for that loss. Yes, Brunnell could have played better. But, he is in a new system with a new team. I will cut him slack.

reggiebrooks4life · Post by **reggiebrooks4life** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:21 pm

well said redskins rule

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:28 pm

i mean, did you see his pass when Laverneous was WIDE OPEN and Brunell threw it out of bounds? (well that probably happened 10 times) Brunell is good because he can scramble and make a pretty accurate pass if it is within 15 yards. But man, he is making so much dough that we cant bench him. Marks putting us in a tough situation if he doesnt start comming to work soon ( as in two weeks against Green Bay)

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:30 pm

We're not talking about how he costed us the Bears game, so we can be thankful for that. normaly around this time Sunday nights there's a posse forming to hunt him down

But I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were Mark the hook could be closer than he thinks
8 of 22 for 95 yards and one TD, one pick is not job security

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:31 pm

reggiebrooks4life wrote:i think the problem is with the playcalling..you can't run 5 yard routes all day long

he cant throw it accurately after 5 yards

reggiebrooks4life · Post by **reggiebrooks4life** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:31 pm

nevertheless....brunell gives us the best chance to win right now.

MtSherwood7 · Post by **MtSherwood7** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:42 pm

I think running the ball each down, punting out of bounds, and letting the defense do all of the work would give us a decent chance at beating most of the teams in this league... haha jk. Our defense is awesome though, and we just need a mediocre performance from the offense to win games, that means 14-20 points and not letting the opposing defense score!!! This game against Chicago the offense basically put up 6 points, with their TD being cancelled out by the INT returned for a TD by Chicago.