Calling Patrick Ramsey
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Calling Patrick Ramsey
Am I the only one that wants Patrick Ramsey heading up this team, Brunell sucks, can we trade him back to Jacsonville, Id rather have Gil Hamden.
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I also totally agree with you it is time for joe gibbs to make the switch if he wants this team to go anywhere brunell can not throw the ball downfield anymore and is dancing around in the pocket to much he never sets his feet and throws a dart with the exception of the td pass to cooley I feel terrible for our defense who are playing unbelievable right now with various starters out greg williams is a genious although they did wear down at the end of the game but i give that blame to the offense for not giving them any rest what so ever basically because of brunell not being able to throw the ball downfield and the defense stuffing 8 in the box and killing our running attempts also i believe portis has to run a little tougher in between the tackles
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i've been saying all along that brunell sucks. what is the point of having him in there when you know he isn't good enough to accomplish anything? if we are going to suck, we may as well suck while grooming a "QB of the Future". because when did ramsey suddenly turn into this awful quarterback??? even in spurrier's playground system he did some awesome things. i don't know if i can stand to watch anymore if gibbs doesn't put him in.
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Brunell is in there b/c gibbs likes a veteran qb that limits mistakes and doesn't turn the ball over...
but i think it is obvious that Brunell won't win a game for us either... our offense is totally inept... it may just be the play calling... we are very predictable and aren't that tough up front either.. we just can't move the chains...defenses are not scared of us... a 37 year old deion was covering our best receivers... (he did a good job) that is pitiful
our 3rd down conversion percentage is putrid... and it wasn't like we were constantly in 3 and long... we were in very manageable 3rd downs and didn't convert... i will say it now, the quarterback isn't the problem.. our offensive line is...
they are not physical... they do not move and push people out of the way...portis doesn't look like a good short yardage back b/c the line sucks... riggins wouldn't look like a good short yardage back running behind these guys...
ramsey will struggle just as much as brunell behind this garbage line... the sad part is i am willing to take a chance... call in the righty from bullpen...
but i think it is obvious that Brunell won't win a game for us either... our offense is totally inept... it may just be the play calling... we are very predictable and aren't that tough up front either.. we just can't move the chains...defenses are not scared of us... a 37 year old deion was covering our best receivers... (he did a good job) that is pitiful
our 3rd down conversion percentage is putrid... and it wasn't like we were constantly in 3 and long... we were in very manageable 3rd downs and didn't convert... i will say it now, the quarterback isn't the problem.. our offensive line is...
they are not physical... they do not move and push people out of the way...portis doesn't look like a good short yardage back b/c the line sucks... riggins wouldn't look like a good short yardage back running behind these guys...
ramsey will struggle just as much as brunell behind this garbage line... the sad part is i am willing to take a chance... call in the righty from bullpen...
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HitDoctor wrote:This team, correction, this offense SUCKS.
I agree and disagree
This team does not suck the D is awesome OK thats as far as I can go on that subject (ST gets no love here)
This Offense does not SUCK this offense needs a QB that defenses will respect, for the past few weeks teams have stacked the box and dared us to beat them deep. They are saying you aren't going to run on us your QB has to beat us. It's a gamble and we keep losing....Now if we had a QB back with a arm this stratgy of 8 in the box all the time would not work because they would be getting beat deep. Look at how we played Boller tonight we dared him to beat us deep and were geared to stop J. Lewis it worked not because Boller doesn't have a arm but he isn't accurate. Taylor was beat deep twice but they couldn't get the ball to the open reciever. That's how defenses are handling us. In other words Our QB SUCKS. We fix the QB issuse and we'll be OK.
Ramsey may not be the answer but he might be and for real what have we got to lose by putting him in
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chicosbailbond wrote:Brunell is in there b/c gibbs likes a veteran qb that limits mistakes and doesn't turn the ball over...
...am i missing something here? or have i watched brunell single-handedly give the other team a touchdown (at least) in every frickin' game so far? he is responsible for more points for the other team than for us! the only thing he limits is the productivity of the offense- my grandma can throw the ball harder than him, and she's dead!
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Re: Calling Patrick Ramsey
redskingush wrote:Im I the only one that wants Patrick Ramsey heading up this team.
No you're not the only one and the number is growing
redskingush wrote:Brunell sucks, can we trade him back to Jacsonville.
No they don't want him back(even after losing to SD) and we can't get our money back
redskingush wrote: Id rather have Gil Hamden.
Let's not get carried away here lets see what P-Ram can do befor ewe start talking about someone who's not even on the team.
Also tonight at his press conference Gibbs said he will be looking at everything while trying to fix this Offense, this is the 1st time he hasn't thrown 100% suport behind Mark at the post game presser....Maybe we'll see P-Ram against the Pack if not next week
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Hey hey hey! His name is not Gil. It's Gibran Hamdan! 
I guarentee he'd play better then Brunnell is right now. He has an arm. And he's a youngin'. Don't insult my boy by comparing him to Busted Brunnell.
I guarentee he'd play better then Brunnell is right now. He has an arm. And he's a youngin'. Don't insult my boy by comparing him to Busted Brunnell.Whenever I start to get blue, I just breathe!
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I'm grieving.
- Primarily, no offense.
- I apologize to the DL: I've missed the improvement since last year. Hail Greg Williams. Yes, he has to gamble to overwhelm the opposing offense, but until the 4Q they were awesome...minus Arrinton, who matters a lot. And Willima scannot gamble on every play.
- It's the offense that is failing. Well, two single plays: the Ladell Betts brain-lock that allowed the turnaround TD, and the punt coverage on the fake reverse.
- Even without those two plays, the offense generated nothing.
- Brunnell looked fine when the game was even. No mistakes until the Betts breakdown. Then...
- OK, start with the OL. Not strong enough, not quick and accurate enough to spot and bury the defenders. Improvement, but I expect a Gibbs team to grind up the opponent. The OL looks like the main problem. A Gibbs offense starts from blocking, and the main blockers are the OL.
- Ramsey? I hate to get into that for the 4007th time, but maybe...Where Brunnell failed was short passes in the 4th quarter, especially to Portis.
- From TV, we can't see the coverage. When Brunnell holds the ball, it means the receivers are not open. As a Gibbsian, I expect Monk, Clark, and Sanders to always be open, and Clint Didier to rip a few tough 15 yarders. Are the receivers running the routes and getting open? Gibbs and the offensive coaches will study and see. If Gardner is too slow to burn people, then what? Taylor Jacobs? But, overall, can these receivers get open against a first class defense?
- The smaller, faster, blitzing defenses didn't stop the Gibbs offense in the classic era. The big Hogs grabbed them and pounded; Gibbs pulled his jumbo blocking package, and Doug Williams and Rypien hit one of the Posse to burn anyone who blitzed a lot.
- 8-in-the-box is also a G Williams defense. Gibbs studies it. He must have plans. I saw two plays in which K Jones missed his block, allowing penetraton that distrupted a running play.
- If quick, straight running is the answer, we have all learned about 40-gut and 50-gut.
- Portis: We can't believe the announcers, but it is bad when Portis complains about Bugel and Byner. That's non-Redskin character. I think -- think -- he plays with more fire than Betts, and somehow I think he qwould not have allowed the strip, fumble, run-back. I think -- hope -- Portis would have gotten in the way of Reed enough to get Brunnell two heartbeats of extra time. One would have gotten his arm in motion forward ...it was close. My first thought on his criticism of ByYner is that I'd rather have Byner at 25 than Portis at 25; Byner was a quick, tough, slasher. Or Larry Brown, the best blocker on the team...but don;t have either, so now what?
- Ramsey: OK, as I joked, I like Sonny better. Or Joe T. Brunnell runs better than Bill Kilmer, and he throws a lot better. Nobody but Sonny had the fire, and even Billy did not have the cool command, the control of the fire. OK, I'll admit that Sonny is the best ever, and we won't see his like again. Maybe we need to try Ramsey, but he can't move much. He needs to be a lot smarter on his feet to avoid being a big target.
- Offensive toughness: maybe not yet. The Ravens are not, by comparison, as ovwherming as the Ditka/Ryan Bears of the mid '80s. The Redskins beat them two out of three time in the playoffs. The Skins beat the Ryan Eagles once or twice a year. It all started with the Hogs catching and neutralizing the DL and LB's, and with the Posse getting open for Schroeder, Williams, and Rypien...none of them could move like Roger Staubach, but all of whom had powerful arms.
- So:
(a) Brunnel is a question mark
(b) The team needs Arrington, but the defense is pretty good
(c) Receivers are not getting free
(d) Portis fiddles around too much as he runs. (Where is the next Larry Brown?)
(e) They need to break out Portis where he can run freely, whether its carrying the ball or catching passes, using a heavier blocking end or even an OG (as in Russ "glue fingers: Gimm) at H-back.
(f) Gibbs arrived in '81 teaching "air Coryell". Maybe it;s time to revive the San Diego offense (helps to have those receivers and Dan Fouts, who, by the way, was immobile) and to reduce the H-back until the OL improves.
(g) I can see why Betts doesn't start.
(h) I miss Riggins. Nodoby taunted Ruggins to "Get up, boy, get up".
(g) In the good side, they cut out the mistakes in the first have. Now for the offense. They have a lot of work.
- Primarily, no offense.
- I apologize to the DL: I've missed the improvement since last year. Hail Greg Williams. Yes, he has to gamble to overwhelm the opposing offense, but until the 4Q they were awesome...minus Arrinton, who matters a lot. And Willima scannot gamble on every play.
- It's the offense that is failing. Well, two single plays: the Ladell Betts brain-lock that allowed the turnaround TD, and the punt coverage on the fake reverse.
- Even without those two plays, the offense generated nothing.
- Brunnell looked fine when the game was even. No mistakes until the Betts breakdown. Then...
- OK, start with the OL. Not strong enough, not quick and accurate enough to spot and bury the defenders. Improvement, but I expect a Gibbs team to grind up the opponent. The OL looks like the main problem. A Gibbs offense starts from blocking, and the main blockers are the OL.
- Ramsey? I hate to get into that for the 4007th time, but maybe...Where Brunnell failed was short passes in the 4th quarter, especially to Portis.
- From TV, we can't see the coverage. When Brunnell holds the ball, it means the receivers are not open. As a Gibbsian, I expect Monk, Clark, and Sanders to always be open, and Clint Didier to rip a few tough 15 yarders. Are the receivers running the routes and getting open? Gibbs and the offensive coaches will study and see. If Gardner is too slow to burn people, then what? Taylor Jacobs? But, overall, can these receivers get open against a first class defense?
- The smaller, faster, blitzing defenses didn't stop the Gibbs offense in the classic era. The big Hogs grabbed them and pounded; Gibbs pulled his jumbo blocking package, and Doug Williams and Rypien hit one of the Posse to burn anyone who blitzed a lot.
- 8-in-the-box is also a G Williams defense. Gibbs studies it. He must have plans. I saw two plays in which K Jones missed his block, allowing penetraton that distrupted a running play.
- If quick, straight running is the answer, we have all learned about 40-gut and 50-gut.
- Portis: We can't believe the announcers, but it is bad when Portis complains about Bugel and Byner. That's non-Redskin character. I think -- think -- he plays with more fire than Betts, and somehow I think he qwould not have allowed the strip, fumble, run-back. I think -- hope -- Portis would have gotten in the way of Reed enough to get Brunnell two heartbeats of extra time. One would have gotten his arm in motion forward ...it was close. My first thought on his criticism of ByYner is that I'd rather have Byner at 25 than Portis at 25; Byner was a quick, tough, slasher. Or Larry Brown, the best blocker on the team...but don;t have either, so now what?
- Ramsey: OK, as I joked, I like Sonny better. Or Joe T. Brunnell runs better than Bill Kilmer, and he throws a lot better. Nobody but Sonny had the fire, and even Billy did not have the cool command, the control of the fire. OK, I'll admit that Sonny is the best ever, and we won't see his like again. Maybe we need to try Ramsey, but he can't move much. He needs to be a lot smarter on his feet to avoid being a big target.
- Offensive toughness: maybe not yet. The Ravens are not, by comparison, as ovwherming as the Ditka/Ryan Bears of the mid '80s. The Redskins beat them two out of three time in the playoffs. The Skins beat the Ryan Eagles once or twice a year. It all started with the Hogs catching and neutralizing the DL and LB's, and with the Posse getting open for Schroeder, Williams, and Rypien...none of them could move like Roger Staubach, but all of whom had powerful arms.
- So:
(a) Brunnel is a question mark
(b) The team needs Arrington, but the defense is pretty good
(c) Receivers are not getting free
(d) Portis fiddles around too much as he runs. (Where is the next Larry Brown?)
(e) They need to break out Portis where he can run freely, whether its carrying the ball or catching passes, using a heavier blocking end or even an OG (as in Russ "glue fingers: Gimm) at H-back.
(f) Gibbs arrived in '81 teaching "air Coryell". Maybe it;s time to revive the San Diego offense (helps to have those receivers and Dan Fouts, who, by the way, was immobile) and to reduce the H-back until the OL improves.
(g) I can see why Betts doesn't start.
(h) I miss Riggins. Nodoby taunted Ruggins to "Get up, boy, get up".
(g) In the good side, they cut out the mistakes in the first have. Now for the offense. They have a lot of work.
I really DO hope that no one is CLINGING to the fact that Brunell isn't getting it done. I keep seeing twinges of it in posts and if it wasn't so #$#$ sad, it would be funny. I keep seeing that he had periods were he made good decisions and didn't lose the game. Well, he hasn't really won one either. I think we can credit our W to Portis's one and only big run. Just to bring some highlights to the table:
1. He's accounted for AT LEAST 5 turnovers that I can think of off the top of my head...and a couple of those resulted in instant points.
2. He ran outta bounds last night for a 2 yard loss...and what was even more amusing is that the announcers called it a "heady" play. Ridiculous.
3. He put it into the ground more last night than a funeral home. Dinks and dunks that soften up the run defense have to be completed. But he also overthrew SEVERAL 10-20 yard passes with wide open receivers.
4. He does not look comfortable in the offense...dancing around in the pocket like a ballerina.
Now I know there are a few of you Brunell loyalists lingering around in the shadows of the web out there. What you are asking for is unfair to the team. We need to have a QB on the field who can give us the opportunity to win...not the guy you like better. And if I've offended anybody from Jacksonville (1niksder, I know how you feel, so you're exempt) then I'm sorry...but you're golden boy needs put out to pasture.
1. He's accounted for AT LEAST 5 turnovers that I can think of off the top of my head...and a couple of those resulted in instant points.
2. He ran outta bounds last night for a 2 yard loss...and what was even more amusing is that the announcers called it a "heady" play. Ridiculous.
3. He put it into the ground more last night than a funeral home. Dinks and dunks that soften up the run defense have to be completed. But he also overthrew SEVERAL 10-20 yard passes with wide open receivers.
4. He does not look comfortable in the offense...dancing around in the pocket like a ballerina.
Now I know there are a few of you Brunell loyalists lingering around in the shadows of the web out there. What you are asking for is unfair to the team. We need to have a QB on the field who can give us the opportunity to win...not the guy you like better. And if I've offended anybody from Jacksonville (1niksder, I know how you feel, so you're exempt) then I'm sorry...but you're golden boy needs put out to pasture.
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i WAS a BRUNELL supporter ....NOT ANY MORE OR EVER again !!!!!!! RAMSEY !!!!!! RAMSEY !!!!!!!Chris Luva Luva wrote:O no, dont mention this. You'll have the Brunell supporters in here in a day or so. Like we can do any worse.
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I completely agree with everyone on Ramsey, I've said it before that he is the future of the team and needs playing time. I think with Gibbs' guidance and time Ramsey will be one of the best QBs the Redskins have ever had.
Brunell has not done anything in 4 games, mediocore passing yardage(poor last night) and he has absolutely NO accuracy on anything 30 yards or more.
PLEASE put Ramsry in...... PLEASE.
Brunell has not done anything in 4 games, mediocore passing yardage(poor last night) and he has absolutely NO accuracy on anything 30 yards or more.
PLEASE put Ramsry in...... PLEASE.
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Great post Welch and I couldn't agree with you more. The sack and fumbel last night was directly attributalbe to Betts. Having said that, Brunell just doesn't look good, and sometimes you just have to make a change from that position and hope that it sparts better play all around from the Offense. Ramsey has the arm and heart - if he can just cut out the errors then I say it's time to get him ready for next year.
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Another miserable Monday...I have supported Brunell but after last night I think we need to make a switch. D got the ball back with five minutes to play and the Offense went NOWHERE with a pass in the dirt, a run back to the line of scrimmage and a blocked pass. Absolutely pathetic. Brunell is not the only one responsible since the O-line can't open holes for Portis but there has to be some sort of change. 55 yds through the air when 8 men are in the box is inexcusable. I can't imagine that ALL of our receivers are covered every single pass play. All I can say is: thank God Gibbs is in charge, with him there is always hope.
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