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Trying to make up some flyers to lay around the house for my MNF party tonight to let people know just how far back the Redskins/Cowboys rivalry goes and what it was originally based on. I know I read it somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it. Even through one of the many links we do have... nodda. Anybody got an idea or maybe know of an archive someplace?
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Been there. That doesn't give it. But thanks.
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You can thank George Allen for creating the rivalry.
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Nope!! The rivalry actually was created when George Preston Marshall(the original owner of the 'Skins) tried like hell to keep the Cowboys out of the league. He was kind of a racist individual because the Cowboys had blacks playing on their team and he wouldn't have any part of that.
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The story goes that a guy by the name of Clint Murchison wanted to put an NFL team in the south... Dallas namely. At the time, George Preston Marshall, a known racist, had blocked every attempt by Murchison to get the expansion team.

Marshall was well known to have had the first marching band, and the first fight song and was very proud of both. That fight song was written by Barnee Breeskin (and the words were added by Marshall's wife Corinne Griffith).

But Breeskin was squabling with Marshall in the late 50' and so he sold song rights to Murchison. Murchison held Marshall for ransom by offering the rights to the song back in exchange for Marshall no longer blocking Murchison's expansion efforts.

... the rest is history.
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BossHog wrote:The story goes that a guy by the name of Clint Murchison wanted to put an NFL team in the south... Dallas namely. At the time, George Preston Marshall, a known racist, had blocked every attempt by Murchison to get the expansion team.

Marshall was well known to have had the first marching band, and the first fight song and was very proud of both. That fight song was written by Barnee Breeskin (and the words were added by Marshall's wife Corinne Griffith).

But Breeskin was squabling with Marshall in the late 50' and so he sold song rights to Murchison. Murchison held Marshall for ransom by offering the rights to the song back in exchange for Marshall no longer blocking Murchison's expansion efforts.

... the rest is history.

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The rivalry?

I agree: George Allen turned up the intensity to make what became Dallas Week.

I remember that in the early '60s, the Cowboys were the only team the Redskins could compete with. There was at least one ping-pong like game in Bobby Mitchell's first year when Norm Snead threw about four 80 yard TD passes to Mitchell, and each time Don Meredith answered with a long pass to a receiver named Clarke.

By the later Otto Graham years, the Cowboys had been to the NFL championship a couple of times, and the Skins were perpetual 6-8 teams. Great passing (Jurgenson, Taylor, Mitchell, Smith), no blocking, no running, no defense.

George Allen created a lot of the tradition. He started by complaining that the Cowboys had no right to market themselves as "America's Team", since the Redskins represented the Nation's Capital. They've insulted us, and insulted the American people, he used to say.

Then there was baseball. George came to town the summer that Short took the new Senators to Texas. Before you could say "there you go again", George began giving speeches to say that MLB had poked a stick in the eye of the Capital city, and that the Redskins would make the playoffs just to show them.

We thought that George was a little crazy, since the Skins had not gone to the playoffs since the mid-40's; and everyone knew that the Cowboys were Team Perfection.

In fact, look at what George did: he traded a giant pile of draft picks, plus the immortal Marlin McKeever, to the Rams for Diron Talbert ("Di-Ron!"), an aqing strong safety named Richie Petibon, and the entire Rams starting line-backers. All of them about 35. Then he traded a 2nd rounder for Billy Kilmer, soon-to-be-ex starting QB at New Orleans, which had drafted a Manning, finagaled a starting DE named Verlon Biggs from the SBIII Jets, and picked up another 30+ DE named Ron McDole.

We thought he had traded away the future, but he said, "The future is now". Note: there was some cool calculation, also. (a) Sonny Jurgenson was 37; if the team took four or five years to build, the offensive stars would be old. (b) as George often said, it's a good deal to trade a draft pick for a proven all-pro.

It looked like a cool miscalculation when Sonny broke his arm in the final pre-season game, but then the Redskins ripped off a bunch of wins to start the season.

The first Dallas game was the test: are they real? Allen whipped up the intensity.

They pounded the Cowboys about 21-16, with Larry Brown acting like a 195 pound John Riggins without blockers (read that slowly, and consider what kind of runner Larry Brown must have been).

Except for '72, the Cowboys usually had the better players, at least by stats and press-clippings, and somehow old George always managed to win one of the games each season. They were mean affairs. In one of them, Diron Talbert sacked Staubach for about a 15 yard loss, and the gentlemanly Staubach punched Diron in the face, adding a 15 yard personal foul. It turned out that Talbert had spit in Staubach's eye while bouncing him on the turf, although the refs didn't catch it.

I remember a Monday night game in which the splendidly enunciating Howard Cosell said "I can-not be-lieve this is hap-en-ing! The Cowboys are clearrrrly the e-lite team in all football! George Allen's Redskins are not only still in the game...they might well win!"

So, I think it was George who first turned up the electricity.
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