Who do we hate more?!??!

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:18 pm

2K1NSM2U wrote:Yea im done arguing but there is no way I place the blame on more for not winning the game than Ramsey. I dont blame him for losing the game but i blame him for not winning if you get what i mean by that.

only problem i have with that is he seeemed like the only guy on offense that was actually trying to do something in the fourth. everyone else already had their bags packed and were boarding the plane for the ride home.

2K1NSM2U · Post by **2K1NSM2U** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:23 pm

What good does trying do when he throws INTs...trying only matters in little league this is the nfl. His was trying....

TO GET THE BALL TO THE OTHER TEAM!

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:24 pm

Gardner! Hands down. Why do people here keep saying Coles dropped passes today. It was ONE pass people. Admitedly, it came on the final drive in a crucial situation, but the guy caught nine other balls today for 100 yards. I think Gardner's drop in the endzone was intended for Coles who was open in the back corner, but Rod cut it off before he could make the catch. And rest assured, he would have made the catch. Ramsey's 2nd INT should have been a holding call, too. That ball was intended for Coles too, but he was held making his cut and the ball sailed right to the G-spots' defender. The last INT was inexcusable, but the other two should have never been.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:25 pm

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:26 pm

JSPB22 wrote:Gardner! Hands down. Why do people here keep saying Coles dropped passes today. It was ONE pass people. Admitedly, it came on the final drive in a crucial situation, but the guy caught nine other balls today for 100 yards. I think Gardner's drop in the endzone was intended for Coles who was open in the back corner, but Rod cut it off before he could make the catch. And rest assured, he would have made the catch. Ramsey's 2nd INT should have been a holding call, too. That ball was intended for Coles too, but he was held making his cut and the ball sailed right to the G-spots' defender. The last INT was inexcusable, but the other two should have never been.

i agree with your assesment of ramsey, but coles dropped SIX, not one. or at least someone else posted that stat.

2K1NSM2U · Post by **2K1NSM2U** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:28 pm

"I think Gardner's drop in the endzone was intended for Coles who was in the back corner, but Rod cut it off before he could make the catch."

There is no doubt that Gardner should have caught that ball but Ramsey has to have more patients sitting back in the pocket. He threw into heavy traffic he needs learn how to not get so antsy. If he would of waited a second or 2 longer there would of almost difinetly been a TD to coles in the corner of the end zone.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:33 pm

2K1NSM2U wrote:"I think Gardner's drop in the endzone was intended for Coles who was in the back corner, but Rod cut it off before he could make the catch."

There is no doubt that Gardner should have caught that ball but Ramsey has to have more patients sitting back in the pocket. He threw into heavy traffic he needs learn how to not get so antsy. If he would of waited a second or 2 longer there would of almost difinetly been a TD to coles in the corner of the end zone.

he didn't have an extra 2 seconds! the line wasn't exactly stellar.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:34 pm

2K1NSM2U wrote:"I think Gardner's drop in the endzone was intended for Coles who was in the back corner, but Rod cut it off before he could make the catch."

There is no doubt that Gardner should have caught that ball but Ramsey has to have more patients sitting back in the pocket. He threw into heavy traffic he needs learn how to not get so antsy. If he would of waited a second or 2 longer there would of almost difinetly been a TD to coles in the corner of the end zone.

He's not a doctor, and the pocket is not his waiting room. Now he might need to exercise a little more "patience." :roll:

But with the rush on, he doesn't always have the time.
What he really needs is more touch on his passes.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:34 pm

I can't see JG singling either Gardner or Ramsey out as the player that cost us the game. Football is a team sport but for the past few years we've been able to pinpoint a single player or two and say he/they costed us the game. Gibbs wants them to play as a team and by golly the blew it as a team (atleast on the offensive side of the ball anyway) The D-unit held in there as long as they could and consistanly put the O in good field position or atleast held there ground.
Ramsey came off the bench late in the game, down by 2 or 3 scores while in the there he put points on the board and the D held. He didn't lose this game. Yeah he threw 3 INTs but thats not half the turnovers we had today.
Everybody wants to take Rod out and shoot him (he dropped 5 passes) :hmm:

Why is he nicknamed 50/50 besides Coles dropped just as many if not more today... don't hear of a posse forming to find him. CP fumbled twice, who here can recall ever seeing him fumble in the pass?
Yep there's enough blame to go around so let's not dump it on 1 or 2 guys....They are after all Redskins

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:36 pm

1niksder wrote:I can't see JG singling either Gardner or Ramsey out as the player that cost us the game. Football is a team sport but for the past few years we've been able to pinpoint a single player or two and say he/they costed us the game. Gibbs wants them to play as a team and by golly the blew it as a team (atleast on the offensive side of the ball anyway) The D-unit held in there as long as they could and consistanly put the O in good field position or atleast held there ground.
Ramsey came off the bench late in the game, down by 2 or 3 scores while in the there he put points on the board and the D held. He didn't lose this game. Yeah he threw 3 INTs but thats not half the turnovers we had today.
Everybody wants to take Rod out and shoot him (he dropped 5 passes) Why is he nicknamed 50/50 besides Coles dropped just as many if not more today... don't hear of a posse forming to find him. CP fumbled twice, who here can recall ever seeing him fumble in the pass?
Yep there's enough blame to go around so let's not dump it on 1 or 2 guys....They are after all Redskins

good post. i can't argue any of this.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:38 pm

1niksder wrote:Everybody wants to take Rod out and shoot him (he dropped 5 passes) Why is he nicknamed 50/50 besides Coles dropped just as many if not more today... don't hear of a posse forming to find him.

Gardner: 5 drops - 3 catches
Coles : 1 drop (maybe 2 if you count the ball Brunell threw behind him) - 9 catches.
That is why you don't hear me complaining about Coles.

Montana Redskin · Post by **Montana Redskin** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:41 pm

2K1NSM2U wrote:I think I hate P-Ram the most. He IS the reason y they couldnt complete the comeback today. How can you say Rod Gardner should take most of the blame. If I can recall correctly RG was the one with ONE HELL OF A CATCH to lead up to the pass to the 1. If the ball wasnt so over thrown Rod wouldnt of had to lay out like he did but would of been able to walk into the end zone. When Rod dropped the ball in the end zone I think he wasnt even throwing to him but that P-Ram was throwing into a lot of traffic. If you will look Coles was WIDEEEEE open in the back of the end zone and would of been a touchdown if P-Ram would learn some patiences and not be so antsy in the pocket. He breaks under pressure that is the bottom line. How can you throw 3 ints in a half of football. Just didnt make good decisions. Not saying everyone else didnt look horrible but im just saying P-Ram makes the O line look bad. 3 step drop and he holds the ball then takes 2 steps up in the pocket and wonders y he gets sacked all the time. ITS HIM NOT THE LINE. Coles dropped passes, Portis fumbled the ball twice but made blocks that ended up not meaning any thing, Thrash played good pass D , ey looked pretty good, and the DEFENSE LOOKED GREAT like last week even though good Ds get beat every once and a while (bowen beat deep). Even with 7 TOs the Redskins Offense was given all the chances in the world to win it but didnt get it done.

I agree on everything and stated this earlier. Penalties, sacks, drops, bla bla Ramsey lost this game. The game plan was there, the plays were there, the opportunities were there all day, play after play, and he didn't get the W. We had excellent field position everytime Ramsey was in and if he wasn't getting sacked he was throwing pics. Sure he had a few good plays, but...look at the scoreboard. A good cube' would have put 21 up on the Giants in the 4th, easy. They basically gift-wrapped a win and Ramsey's rookie, happy feet, poor decision making threw it away. He really looks good for 3-4 plays, then wham, pic...wham, sack...the protection is there and he doesn't utilize it by moving up, running out, etc...stands in pocket for 10 days. That's why Brunell never gets sacked...moves around

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:41 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
1niksder wrote:Everybody wants to take Rod out and shoot him (he dropped 5 passes) Why is he nicknamed 50/50 besides Coles dropped just as many if not more today... don't hear of a posse forming to find him.

Gardner: 5 drops - 3 catches
Coles : 1 drop (maybe 2 if you count the ball Brunell threw behind him) - 9 catches.
That is why you don't hear me complaining about Coles.

actually smithian posted that coles dropped SIX. don't know where he got that stat or if its true, but thats pretty bad.

2K1NSM2U · Post by **2K1NSM2U** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:42 pm

Damn 1niksder you about said it all. That is exactly what I wanted to say in my posts but couldnt of said it any better than you. Shut it down this arguement is closed.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:46 pm

hailskins666 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
1niksder wrote:Everybody wants to take Rod out and shoot him (he dropped 5 passes) Why is he nicknamed 50/50 besides Coles dropped just as many if not more today... don't hear of a posse forming to find him.

Gardner: 5 drops - 3 catches
Coles : 1 drop (maybe 2 if you count the ball Brunell threw behind him) - 9 catches.
That is why you don't hear me complaining about Coles.
actually smithian posted that coles dropped SIX. don't know where he got that stat or if its true, but thats pretty bad.

Even if that is right 9/15 is better than 3/8. and Coles had 100 yards too.

2K1NSM2U · Post by **2K1NSM2U** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:50 pm

All of coles' passes were either short slants or screens with run after the catch. Those are a lot easier to catch than deep balls like they threw to Gardner. Every time they threw to Coles deep it was double coverage and put a INT in Ramsey stat column.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:01 pm

2K1NSM2U wrote:All of coles' passes were either short slants or screens with run after the catch. Those are a lot easier to catch than deep balls like they threw to Gardner. Every time they threw to Coles deep it was double coverage and put a INT in Ramsey stat column.

That's the same argument Dr. Z always makes against Monk getting into the HOF. I'll give you Ramsey's 3rd INT, but the first 2 should never have happened.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:02 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
hailskins666 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
1niksder wrote:Everybody wants to take Rod out and shoot him (he dropped 5 passes) Why is he nicknamed 50/50 besides Coles dropped just as many if not more today... don't hear of a posse forming to find him.

Gardner: 5 drops - 3 catches
Coles : 1 drop (maybe 2 if you count the ball Brunell threw behind him) - 9 catches.
That is why you don't hear me complaining about Coles.
actually smithian posted that coles dropped SIX. don't know where he got that stat or if its true, but thats pretty bad.

Even if that is right 9/15 is better than 3/8. and Coles had 100 yards too.

I have him with 5 if we include the one you mentioned above. But there was not a word about anyone droping passes but Gardner..doesn't make sense Receivers don't always catch the ball for whatever the reason. this game wasn't lost by 1 or 2 players losing to the gints takes a team effort

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:51 am

patrick ramsey has an excuse for sucking .....spurrier and his no protection offensive schemes.
gardner has no excuses.

redskins-28 · Post by **redskins-28** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:55 am

I don't think we should be voting on who we hate the most, we are all human and make mistakes right?

Do you really think they played that poorly on purpose? Not quite. We ALL have bad days and it was a bad day for the Skins and fans as well, but we shouldn't bash the players.

One week they are heroes and the next zeros? That's not right. :hmm:

Ramsey played stellar last year and with the right coaching and playing time I think he could be one of the best QBs then Skins have ever had.

Let's focus on getting Ramsey (or Brunell) ready to stomp Dallas.

HTTR

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:11 am

2K1NSM2U wrote:Not saying everyone else didnt look horrible but im just saying P-Ram makes the O line look bad.

So, it's Ramsey's fault that the line got pushed back 8 feet every play?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:25 am

We ALL have bad days and it was a bad day for the Skins and fans as well, but we shouldn't bash the players.

One week they are heroes and the next zeros? That's not right. hmm.gif

Ramsey played stellar last year

Man, come on now. Don't take this to heart but please stop drinking the homerade. Some people do suck. Rod Gardener does suck, and I don't know how long you've been watching the Skins but he's been dropping balls on a consistent basis for the past 3-4 years.

Ramsey played in some harsh situations so its really hard to decide if its him, or Spurrier. Regardless, you DO NOT THROW THE BALL INTO DOUBLE COVERAGE WHILE YOU ARE RUNNING. Yea, he was trying to win us the game, BUT that particular throw was retarded.