2019 Offseason Chatter

[riggofan]

Just starting a new thread for this misc. stuff that probably doesn't belong in the NFL Draft thread anymore.

bit from Keim this morning.


The surprise offseason standout for all 32 teams
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/269 ... -teams#wsh

Washington Redskins

CB Jimmy Moreland

Moreland intercepted five passes during spring workouts, a result that stems from his instincts and knowing where to be and when. Moreland, a seventh-round pick in April, will be a player to watch this summer as a slot corner. He's quick and tough but will have to show he can handle all the responsibilities in the slot -- including playing the run. There's a lot to learn. For now he's someone who should make the roster and could develop into a solid starter at some point. But for a late-round pick from a smaller school (James Madison), he's off to a terrific start. -- John Keim

Is this really a guy who could be starting at some point this year? That's pretty impressive.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

He'll play special teams first and then as soon as someone gets injured (which never happens to the Redskins) he will be starting.

[Sonny9TD]

Moreland is the man. Probably better than Norman

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Moreland is the man. Probably better than Norman

That's silly.

I hope he can make the field... He can return punts but wasnt during OTAs. His knack for the ball is a huge upside- be nice if we can shut down the Cole Beasleys of the game. Shiffty little slot guys always work us it seems.

[Sonny9TD]

Moreland is the man. Probably better than Norman

That's silly.

I hope he can make the field... He can return punts but wasnt during OTAs. His knack for the ball is a huge upside- be nice if we can shut down the Cole Beasleys of the game. Shiffty little slot guys always work us it seems.

What is silly is being brainwashed into thinking Norman is better than Moreland based on Norman's trillion dollar salary and Moreland being a 7th round pick from James Madison instead of seeing the evidence on the field where the action is. Maybe James Madison is the reason he was picked so late. What is silly is you thinking that Norman is so good. What makes you think Norman is so much better? All the holding calls or giving up all those completions? Which one? With this new rule for pass interference Norman is going to get picked on and may have to be replaced. I heard Norman was getting burnt in camp last year all the time. And I saw it with my on eyes in the games.

You don't even have any idea if Norman is better than Moreland. You're making a guess and acting like you do know. Get real and watch the games again if you haven't seen Norman as almost a liability. He isn't much better than any CB we have on the team based on his play on the field.

Watch out there goes the flag. Holding on Norman. Holding is how Norman gets his advantage and he isn't getting away with it any more

I'm giving the nod to Moreland until Norman earns the money even the other CBs are making much less the extra trillion he makes.

The only thing he does really well is cause fumbles at times. He knows how to punch the ball loose. Everywhere else he is only slightly better than average. So far Morland appears to above average and was drafted because we need to improve the secondary and the unearned salary. Norman will be replaced by Moreland at some point guaranteed.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Its just a silly statement to make man.. to suggest that Moreland is better then a proven probowler after OTAs is just a reach at best.
We've had this conversation already but I'll indulge ya

Dont get me wrong- I like the kid! I hope he can be a much cheaper alternative to JNo... But dont let his salary fool you, Josh is a leader and great cb. Has he had some frustrating calls? Absolutely! Salary aside... He has shut down top tier wrs, creates turnovers, and plays with an infectious chip. Have we gotten the ROI for his contact?? A case can be made for not even close. But to your point, his contract doesnt reflect his skill level , just what we thought he was worth at the time of signing.
A lot of his troubles have been miscommunication in the back field/ shaky Safety help... Doesnt excuse the egregious penalty flags though.

Can a 7th round rookie become better then a league vet? Of course! Is it likely that on the day one opener this unproven rook is "better" then a previous pro bowler?? Nah man.. He came from a small school and has NEVER faced the top tier WR talent of the NFL... Much less being asked to follow the #1 wr day in and day out.

-Another reason JNo has had ups and downs, we havent had steady CB play behind him so we've asked him to shadow a wr instead of playing his comfortable side.



I think you are basing this off many people saying Haskins is the "best qb" on the team... And part of me agrees with that. He has the highest POTENTIAL but he also lacks what all the Vets have... Experience. Same with Jimmy. Both will have growing pains... But Haskins doesnt have a healthy previous probowler ahead of him on the depth chart- and the only healthy QB is also new to the system. Apples to oranges

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

You two already *f$ck* up one thread with this argument. Would it be asking too much for you to keep it confined to that thread instead of *f$ck* up this one, too?

[ferryrich]

Bored of this. Newcomer has to impress, established starter goes along to help the new kids settle.
It's not worth a comparison, let along an argument about it

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Meh... I could've let the tongue in cheek "probably better then Norman" response go... An obvious remark intended to stir up the previous conversation.

But why?

Whay else is going on here? What other news is there to talk about? The thread would have gone cold by now any how... Might as well take the bait!

Its just a crazy thing to say after a couple of sessions in shorts. Funny how no one else has this kid competing for Normans roster spot, only the nickel duties vs the other youngsters... Like I've said.

Hopefully he is better then Rhodes and Ramsey too!!

[Sonny9TD]

Well the whole thing started after i had addressed the Tackle situation but just when i thought i was out he pulls me back in


https://www.redskins.com/video/josh-nor ... nce-update No shiz. That was easy to predict.


https://www.redskins.com/video/the-rund ... y-moreland Yep

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Well the whole thing started after i had addressed the Tackle situation but just when i thought i was out he pulls me back in


https://www.redskins.com/video/josh-nor ... nce-update No shiz. That was easy to predict.


https://www.redskins.com/video/the-rund ... y-moreland Yep

Not sure what you are referencing as far as the tackle situation? Behind Trent it looks pretty bleak man...

I think it was you who pulled me back in? Why say he is better then Norman? Same silly statement got the same provoked reply.

I couldnt care less who is over reading our back and forth.. Its friendly banter guys big deal.

Its old news that Jimmy won the training camp probowl award... The rest is speculative.
What else can we talk about in June?? The Trent saga? Yuck.


I remeber the summer hype machine for the late great Colt Brennan- Lmmfao dont lie, yall remeber his preseason claim to fame?!? So excuse me for reserving judgement until the plays count

[Sonny9TD]

Well the whole thing started after i had addressed the Tackle situation but just when i thought i was out he pulls me back in


https://www.redskins.com/video/josh-nor ... nce-update No shiz. That was easy to predict.


https://www.redskins.com/video/the-rund ... y-moreland Yep

Not sure what you are referencing as far as the tackle situation? Behind Trent it looks pretty bleak man...

I think it was you who pulled me back in? Why say he is better then Norman? Same silly statement got the same provoked reply.

I couldnt care less who is over reading our back and forth.. Its friendly banter guys big deal.

Its old news that Jimmy won the training camp probowl award... The rest is speculative.
What else can we talk about in June?? The Trent saga? Yuck.


I remeber the summer hype machine for the late great Colt Brennan- Lmmfao dont lie, yall remeber his preseason claim to fame?!? So excuse me for reserving judgement until the plays count

Yea that was my point there are no Tackles behind Trent and Morgan. Yea it looks like Moreland is better than Norman. Better instincts less holding. Great pick. Yea what else is there to talk about. Going to the Super Bowl. Defense is good enough.

[riggofan]

He'll play special teams first and then as soon as someone gets injured (which never happens to the Redskins) he will be starting.

lol true. I've learned not to expect any of the rookies to start and contribute in year one. No matter what the minicamp hype is. He definitely seems like a player to watch though and would be an impressive story coming out of JMU.

[El Mexican]

Well, at least we have some bodies at CB.

I can't remember the starting lineup of our Secondary from
the last couple of seasons. It could be my age, but the constant injuries don't help either.

Looks like we have a better shot this year and
actually develop someone instead of hiring some gentleman packing groceries
at the very last minute before the start of the season.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

He'll play special teams first and then as soon as someone gets injured (which never happens to the Redskins) he will be starting.

lol true. I've learned not to expect any of the rookies to start and contribute in year one. No matter what the minicamp hype is. He definitely seems like a player to watch though and would be an impressive story coming out of JMU.

I keep thinking we have to get lucky one of these times. How is it every other team in the league finds these late round gems? Our scouting department is actually pretty decent. I still think letting Morocco Brown get away was a mistake but not one beyond repair. We have more former head coaches and coordinators on staff than the NFL has jobs so we should be able to "coach up" anyone with any NFL talent. Dan Snyder takes a bad rap at every turn and Bruce Allen is right there with him. To be fair both have earned a reputation. But they are trying to do the right thing to build a winner. They are both fans first, and while that has been a problem at times it is also the underlying fact that keeps them trying to make the Redskins great again. So, when they draft someone like Moreland I have to believe it is because the scouting department or Jay Gruden or maybe even Ray Horton saw something they liked.

One thing that always stands out to me is that you have to play players to know if you have anything in them. I don't believe in benching rookies just because they are rookies. Players have to see snaps to gain experience and they have to see snaps for coaches to know if they can cut it at the NFL level. Drafting a player and letting him sit on the bench is like not having the pick in the first place. I think the time to play guys like Moreland is if you're running away with a game (not the Redskins lately) or if you're getting blown out (happens more than we'd like). Don't wait until someone has to play due to injury before they see game snaps. That's the nice thing about teams. Players can get a feel for the speed and the contact of the NFL game without playing every down. Moreland seems to have instincts and those can't be taught. So, hopefully Gruden sees that and gives him game reps.

That whole "I need to play 'my best players' because we need to make the playoffs" B.S. isn't cutting it with me. This is not a playoff team on paper so to have those expectations is unreasonable and asinine. They have a ridiculously difficult schedule, especially for a non-playoff team. They have either a rookie QB or a career backup starting. They have a gaping hole at left guard. They have their best receiver from a year ago playing for someone else. They have their middle linebacker from a year ago playing for the division opponent that made the Super Bowl. And the list goes on an on. So, play the draft picks. There is nothing to lose by playing them and maybe there is something to gain.

[riggofan]

One thing that always stands out to me is that you have to play players to know if you have anything in them. I don't believe in benching rookies just because they are rookies.

True and your comment is funny to anyone who follows US Soccer. They've shown a real knack for relying too heavily on older "experienced" players which led to great results in completely not qualifying for the World Cup two years ago.

Young players in any sport can only gain experience by playing. Make mistakes, learn from them. It does seem like football is the worst of all sports in this regard. Maybe because the fewest games per season?

That whole "I need to play 'my best players' because we need to make the playoffs" B.S. isn't cutting it with me. This is not a playoff team on paper so to have those expectations is unreasonable and asinine. They have a ridiculously difficult schedule, especially for a non-playoff team.

This is kind of a weird year though with Haskins. If they choose to start him in September, I kind of think they have to surround him with whoever gives him a chance to succeed. Its a little different goal than making the playoffs.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

One thing that always stands out to me is that you have to play players to know if you have anything in them. I don't believe in benching rookies just because they are rookies.

True and your comment is funny to anyone who follows US Soccer. They've shown a real knack for relying too heavily on older "experienced" players which led to great results in completely not qualifying for the World Cup two years ago.

Young players in any sport can only gain experience by playing. Make mistakes, learn from them. It does seem like football is the worst of all sports in this regard. Maybe because the fewest games per season?

That whole "I need to play 'my best players' because we need to make the playoffs" B.S. isn't cutting it with me. This is not a playoff team on paper so to have those expectations is unreasonable and asinine. They have a ridiculously difficult schedule, especially for a non-playoff team.

This is kind of a weird year though with Haskins. If they choose to start him in September, I kind of think they have to surround him with whoever gives him a chance to succeed. Its a little different goal than making the playoffs.

If they start Haskins my guess is they run the ball more than Jay Gruden would under normal circumstances. I mean they have a supposedly healthy Guice, Peterson, and Thompson. It's hard to imagine them not using the hell out of the running game even if Keenum starts. Obviously the more effective the running game is the less pressure on a QB in the passing game. Last season was a tale of two cities. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. If Alex Smith doesn't get injured we're probably looking at a considerably different season record. That was the beginning. By the end of the season three season ticket holders had ACL injuries that were misdiagnosed by the team doctors.

[El Mexican]

I mean they have a supposedly healthy Guice, Peterson, and Thompson. It's hard to imagine them not using the hell out of the running game even if Keenum starts.

Not sold on this idea, man. Historically, Gruden has not shown great commitment to the run.

Like his older brother, he likes to pass-pass-pass if the QB has some talent.

[riggofan]

I mean they have a supposedly healthy Guice, Peterson, and Thompson. It's hard to imagine them not using the hell out of the running game even if Keenum starts.

Not sold on this idea, man. Historically, Gruden has not shown great commitment to the run.

Like his older brother, he likes to pass-pass-pass if the QB has some talent.

Well, AP did get 1000+ rushing yards last year so he ran it a bit.

I heard a GM talking about the running game in the NFL the other day on some sports show. It left me with the impression that fans are sticking with this old school idea of "committing to the run" a lot more than coaches and GMs in the league. Any thoughts on that?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I mean they have a supposedly healthy Guice, Peterson, and Thompson. It's hard to imagine them not using the hell out of the running game even if Keenum starts.

Not sold on this idea, man. Historically, Gruden has not shown great commitment to the run.

Like his older brother, he likes to pass-pass-pass if the QB has some talent.

There is a good article about the new offensive coordinator out there...

And quite the contrary, Gruden runs the ball a lot- just on the most predictable moments like on first down. He lead the league in first down runs if im not mistaken... And due to the lack of creativity, it was nearly always for little to no gain. So we are in the hole on 2nd down more times then not. Kind of hard to commit to a run game at that point.

Like was said, we still got some goodness from AP and Perine.. I also remeber hearing our record under JG with a 100 yard rusher was significantly better then with out.

The new OC wants to switch up first down more consistently while still maintaining a good run pass balance.

With Guice back... Who wouldn't want to feed that kid?!

[Sonny9TD]

Players can get a feel for the speed and the contact of the NFL game without playing every down. Moreland seems to have instincts and those can't be taught. So, hopefully Gruden sees that and gives him game reps.

Josh Norman talking about Jimmy Moreland: "I kneel in the long shadow of his excellence."

Watch out wasn't that Moreland who just flew by for a pick 6 again. Yes Yes it was but Norman was flagged for holding.

[Sonny9TD]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... left-guard

Well I hope that works out because his Tackle days are behind him. Maybe he can play where he doesn't have to be as quick or agile. Better keep Wes stretching out during the games staying loose.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Players can get a feel for the speed and the contact of the NFL game without playing every down. Moreland seems to have instincts and those can't be taught. So, hopefully Gruden sees that and gives him game reps.

Josh Norman talking about Jimmy Moreland: "I kneel in the long shadow of his excellence."

Watch out wasn't that Moreland who just flew by for a pick 6 again. Yes Yes it was but Norman was flagged for holding.

Are you playing madden right now?? I dont think Moreland is available uet is he??? Be cool to mess around with the rooks on the ps4...

JNo had a pick six in June while wearing shorts too... Big deal right?

[El Mexican]

Well, AP did get 1000+ rushing yards last year so he ran it a bit.

I heard a GM talking about the running game in the NFL the other day on some sports show. It left me with the impression that fans are sticking with this old school idea of "committing to the run" a lot more than coaches and GMs in the league. Any thoughts on that?

1,000 yards a season ain't that much. That's about 63 yards per game.

The stats are really clear on this: Gruden has never placed us above #17 in rushing yards (2018 season).
Every other season we ended up much lower league-wise.

Not since Shanny's last season here have we finished in the top 10 in total rushing yards in a season.
By contrast, save for last season, the team has finished with a better standing when it comes to passing yards. Much better.

I like a run-heavy team. It allows for better game management.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... left-guard

Well I hope that works out because his Tackle days are behind him. Maybe he can play where he doesn't have to be as quick or agile. Better keep Wes stretching out during the games staying loose.

Flowers problem was always getting beat with speed moves. He's strong as hell. A move inside should work out well for him. Especially playing next to Trent Williams. This was the plan all along so why NFL.com is reporting it like it's news is beyond me. We already knew Flowers wasn't replacing Williams or Moses at tackle.