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Seems like we were posting about this still in the NFL draft thread so might as well break it out here since the story seems to be getting... weirder...

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Williams told teammates he wants to be traded or released because he’s upset with how the team handled his recent medical situation, Jason La Canfora of CBS reports.

A couple months ago, news broke that Williams had a benign tumor or growth removed from his head. Not a lot has been reported about exactly what happened, but Williams is apparently not satisfied that he got adequate medical care from the team. Williams has also had knee, thumb, and rib injuries.
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Good grief...
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora

June 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM

Trent Williams issues with Skins are not financial at all according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation. He's told teammates he has demanded a trade or his release from the club due to their handling of his recent medical situation. Has vowed not to play for them
Ben Standig @BenStandig

June 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM

Mentioning I heard something similar about 71 to the JLC report isn't me reporting as fact. I would have reported if I had the needed sources. Just noting his report, which sounds wild, is something I have indeed heard, if that makes sense. Might not.

Back to minicamp...
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June 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM

Huge development. I havent heard that he vowed not to play for the Redskins. I can confirm Trent Williams has been voicing his displeasure about how he's been handled to people close to him for a while now.
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Yea, first it's about money, now medical staff...sounds like PR stunt...Trent is being fed by his agent. Saying it's the medical staff is very opportunistic considering all the scrutiny the staff has been under...much more palatable for the fans if he complains about the medical staff than $$$$!!
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*sh$t*. It sounds like he just wants to skip training camp. Or like LaCanfora, who the Redskins hate and would never give inside information is making it up. And, of course, other writers take it and run without any vetting. But if he really wants to be traded then *f$ck* it. Trade him. Good riddance. It's impossible to build a better culture when you allow players to whine like *f$ck* school children and get their way. If you want to send a message that it's the Redskins way or the highway you may as well start now.
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"We have been talking to Trent a little bit here and there," Gruden said Tuesday. "He is not here [at practice], you are right. As far as holding out for whatever reasons, that is between Trent and Eric [Schaffer] and Bruce [Allen]. Hopefully, we'll get it all situated soon and get him back here."
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I dont like this.
Last year he pleaded qith AP to join the Skins becuase he loved it so much... Now he is pointing fingures at the medical staff for a precedure in the off season? A growth removed from his scalp?

He signed a deal not to long ago.. A big one. And hasnt played all 16- since?
He is a great tackle... We drafted then paid. He is tryn to pull some AB/ Bell *sh$t*- if thats his way to get more money then see ya Trent!
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Its hard to know what to think. Seems like two sides leaking competing stories to get out in front of whatever the actual situation is:

Redskins: TW wants a new contract
TW: unhappy with medical situation wants out

Impossible to know for sure what the deal is. On one hand I can totally see and believe why a player like Trent might be holding out for a new contract. On the other hand, our front office has ZERO credibility. Do you really believe anything they say at this point?
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Morgan Moses piping up:
Players typically stick up for fellow players in disputes with teams and Morgan Moses is no exception when it comes to teammate Trent Williams.

According to John Keim of ESPN.com, Moses expressed support for Williams, who is absent from Washington’s mandatory minicamp due to anger at the franchise over medical treatment. Williams had a tumor/growth on his head that was removed earlier this offseason.

“It’s about time someone like that stands up,” Moses said. “It’s not just a situation here; it happens throughout the league. To have one of our peers like Trent to stand up like that means a lot. His scare is one you never want to have, but you’ve got to take care of yourself.”
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riggofan wrote:Morgan Moses piping up:
Players typically stick up for fellow players in disputes with teams and Morgan Moses is no exception when it comes to teammate Trent Williams.

According to John Keim of ESPN.com, Moses expressed support for Williams, who is absent from Washington’s mandatory minicamp due to anger at the franchise over medical treatment. Williams had a tumor/growth on his head that was removed earlier this offseason.

“It’s about time someone like that stands up,” Moses said. “It’s not just a situation here; it happens throughout the league. To have one of our peers like Trent to stand up like that means a lot. His scare is one you never want to have, but you’ve got to take care of yourself.”
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Give me a *f$ck* break. It's a non-football injury. Go to any damn doctor you want, Trent, and quit bitching like a school girl.
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Is he mad that HE AGREED to get it cut off??? Like wtf is the gripe about?
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So, there has been clamour to cut Norman- and not just here but plenty of stories to pick from.. And suggested that we maybe pay Trent instead... Lets look at that.

Norman- getting the 2nd most of all cbs- of course Peterson was likely to eclipse that mark before he got suspended.

Trent- highest paid at the time he signed... Now 5th highest paid? Could be wrong.

While Trent is a HOG, is he deserving of the highest salary?

Both are huge parts of this team. Leaders and great at what they do. Can Definetly be said Norman hasnt earned his... And I see that argument.. BUT he also isn't targeted as much, like all great cbs. He also creates turnovers, be it ints (drops waaaay to many) or fumbles. He creates more then any other defensive player on our team.


But lets break it down by games played... Trent would be the highest paid lineman by far- since he hasnt had a full 16 games since... When?
Sure, Norman has missed a few.. But not nearly as many as Trent. Why would we cut someone we need so much to pay someone who isnt as durable?

Depth behind Norman lools better then at Tackle, but does that mean we handicap the D to overpay an (already highly paid) aging Tackle who gets injured so much??


We have sooome cap, can restructure Sherrf to a long term deal and cut people like Colt or Smith.. 4 qbs seems crazy to carry. Im not a fan of cutting Norman to pay more for Trent.
*with 2 years left on his deal... Can Trent even do this *sh$t*?? Its not like he is the 25th highest paid T and hasnt missed a game .. If he continues to hold out we just dock pay right? At what point is HE in breech of contract? If we cant get something for him I dont want there to be dead money folloqing him out the door-

Hope this gets squashed soon... Seems pretty damn petty
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Give me a *f$ck* break. It's a non-football injury. Go to any damn doctor you want, Trent, and quit bitching like a school girl.
I don't know, man. That just seems like a harsh statement without knowing the details exactly. What if the Redskins doctors mislead or misinformed him on that issue? I have no idea, just saying.
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riggofan wrote:I don't know, man. That just seems like a harsh statement without knowing the details exactly. What if the Redskins doctors mislead or misinformed him on that issue? I have no idea, just saying.
I just find it impossible to believe the Redskins required or insisted that Trent see a team doctor for that particular ailment. The man makes over $10MM a year. He can easily go get a second opinion, and a third. It's nothing like the Alex Smith football-related and fully guaranteed contract injury where the team should have a say because it's their insurance paying. If Trent is unhappy it's got nothing to do with that injury.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I just find it impossible to believe the Redskins required or insisted that Trent see a team doctor for that particular ailment. The man makes over $10MM a year. He can easily go get a second opinion, and a third. It's nothing like the Alex Smith football-related and fully guaranteed contract injury where the team should have a say because it's their insurance paying. If Trent is unhappy it's got nothing to do with that injury.
Again, I just don't know what you're basing this opinion on without knowing the facts. How about this scenario? Trent has this tumor or whatever on his head. The team docs tell him during the season that its no big issue, deal with it later, keep playing. Trent follows their advice then finds out later that its a bigger issue than they told him and waiting was not the correct thing to do.

I have no idea, but its not out of the realm of possibility, and I wouldn't put anything past NFL ownership on ANY team.

That's sort of what I took away from Moses' comment was that teams aren't always doing what's in the best health interest of the players. You've seen North Dallas Forty, right? :D
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I just find it impossible to believe the Redskins required or insisted that Trent see a team doctor for that particular ailment. The man makes over $10MM a year. He can easily go get a second opinion, and a third. It's nothing like the Alex Smith football-related and fully guaranteed contract injury where the team should have a say because it's their insurance paying. If Trent is unhappy it's got nothing to do with that injury.
Again, I just don't know what you're basing this opinion on without knowing the facts. How about this scenario? Trent has this tumor or whatever on his head. The team docs tell him during the season that its no big issue, deal with it later, keep playing. Trent follows their advice then finds out later that its a bigger issue than they told him and waiting was not the correct thing to do.

I have no idea, but its not out of the realm of possibility, and I wouldn't put anything past NFL ownership on ANY team.

That's sort of what I took away from Moses' comment was that teams aren't always doing what's in the best health interest of the players. You've seen North Dallas Forty, right? :D
Teams aren't even allowed to treat non-footbsll injuries. It's a violation of their insurance. That's why I think this isn't about Trent's medical issue. I think it's about his wanting more money.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Teams aren't even allowed to treat non-footbsll injuries. It's a violation of their insurance. That's why I think this isn't about Trent's medical issue. I think it's about his wanting more money.
Hey anything's possible. Trent might just have read the reviews of Ereck Flowers filling in at LT the past few days and realized he has crazy leverage!

We'll see. The truth comes out sooner or later.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Teams aren't even allowed to treat non-footbsll injuries. It's a violation of their insurance. That's why I think this isn't about Trent's medical issue. I think it's about his wanting more money.
Hey anything's possible. Trent might just have read the reviews of Ereck Flowers filling in at LT the past few days and realized he has crazy leverage!

We'll see. The truth comes out sooner or later.
I'm just tired of the distractions and the media does this every year. LaCanfora is still bitter about the Redskins barring him from team facilities. Every year he stirs the pot over some overblown non-issue. I can't fathom this year being any different. Trent probably does want more money. There are legitimate arguments for and against that. I'm just not seeing how the team handled or refused to handle a non-football medical issue has anything whatsoever to do with it. The Skins have stuck by Trent through multiple suspensions and injuries and they have paid him like a franchise left tackle. Yes, he's number four or five now in terms of annual salary but that's how contracts work. That's why teams negotiate multi-year contracts. If they had to renegotiate every year it would get a lot harder and a lot more expensive to keep players together.

Ultimately, if there's any credibility to this at all, it would come down to who needs who more but the NBA shows what happens when players have full control over their contract demands. Nothing good. There has to be a line of reason somewhere that says every player wants more money if he thinks he can get it. There also has to be one that says if we're starting our QB of the future we may want the best left tackle option. That's Trent. The thing I keep coming back to is he's already under contract for the next two seasons. Let's say the Skins wanted to be fair or even generous and give Trent an extension. That's probably three years on top of the two. He'd be 35 by the end of the contract. He'd be older, less athletic, more injured. He'd be the 2025 version of Jake Jacoby. Football in general has become a game of youth and speed. I'm just not sure the team should make that kind of commitment to any player in this era.
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Every article, after the earliest one, says that the player is furious that the Redskins' medical staff failed to warn him about a cancerous growth on his scalp. The growth turned out benign, but his anger remains. What evidence is there that he is trying to push for more money? Is this "Trent is greedy and lazy and selfish" from talk radio in DC? It's been repeated over and over, but the only news articles are from the Post:

Les Carpenter and Kareem Copeland, June 5: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... 47dc7bd0fa
Washington Redskins star left tackle Trent Williams is skipping minicamp practices because of his frustration with the team’s medical staff, stemming from treatment of a growth on Williams’s head that had to be surgically removed this past winter.

“I think where the frustration might lie is in the timing of a diagnosis; maybe he wished the diagnosis had come a little sooner,” Coach Jay Gruden said Wednesday. “That’s my understanding.”

The team had not previously addressed Williams’s medical issue at length, saying only that it was an operation done on Williams’s scalp and that Williams would be okay. One person close to Williams, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said the surgery gave Williams “a scare.”
Barry Svrluga, also on the 5th: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... b6e5c25952
Trent Williams is the voice of reason and sanity, which is remarkable given how much unreasonableness and insanity he has seen in his nine seasons in Ashburn. Whatever the concerns were entering this week’s mandatory minicamp — the progression of rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins, the health of running back Derrius Guice, the transition of safety Landon Collins to a new team — whether Trent Williams wanted to be a Redskin didn’t seem to be on the list.

But it should, by now, have been flogged into our brains: However unexpected the scenario you’re thinking about seems, don’t count it out. Trent Williams, team guy, is apparently so ticked off at the team that he’s not showing up, and no one seems to know when he will.
t’s not ancient history right now, in the moment. It’s disturbing. That changed, too, with the initial report Wednesday from CBS Sports that indicated Williams’s absence from minicamp wasn’t, in fact, financial but was because of his displeasure with, as Gruden said, the “timing” of the diagnosis of his ailment, which was not football-related. A contract dispute is rote. Discussion of medical malpractice takes things up a notch.

For the most part, players aren’t going to air the dirty laundry of teammates. This ultimately will be for Williams to explain. But it was telling that Morgan Moses, normally the tackle opposite Williams, described Williams’s actions as not wholly about himself but about raising a flag for the greater good.

“Obviously, it’s about time somebody like that stands up,” Moses said. “It’s not just a situation here. It happens throughout the league. To have one of our peers like Trent, a very valued guy on the field and off the field, to stand up like that, it means a lot to not just us as players but [to] the NFL as well. Obviously, his scare is one that you never want to have, but at the end of the day, [he’s] got to take care of himself.”
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welch wrote:Every article, after the earliest one, says that the player is furious that the Redskins' medical staff failed to warn him about a cancerous growth on his scalp. The growth turned out benign, but his anger remains.
I keep returning to this being a non-football issue so why Trent thinks it's on the team doctors to "warn him" is confusing. If he was concerned he should have gone to see his own doctor. Why is he placing the onus on the team to diagnose and treat a non-football injury? Something about this story is fishy and considering the source (LaCanfora) that's no surprise.
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Speaking generally, players haven't trusted team doctors for years. After so many years of playing through injuries because those doctors told you you were ok to play through many injuries, it wouldn't take much to push that dwindling trust off a cliff. Something like a growth would probably do that, so I'm not surprised Trent wants to highlight things.

However, I struggle to see this as team specific, it's a league-wide issue. All team doctors are employed by teams so they have pressures to get you to play on. An independent 2nd opinion is available to the players by simply going to any other doctor but maybe they should be available, provided by the league or players association?

Until we hear anything from Trent himself, I'll take every report with a pinch of salt.
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I still dont see the connection
Like... Did some one say it was cancer? Or make fun of the scar? How is this related to the Redskins medical staff?? Did some one lop it off in the locker room??

Maybe he was told to play on and wait until the offseason with out knoqing for sure it wasnt cancerous? Did Trent even play the second half of the season??
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From "Ask Boswell" on Monday:
Q: Trent Williams
The Redskins have problems in most areas of their franchise. Were you surprised to hear that Trent Williams is unhappy with the medical staff?

A: Thomas Boswell
I was surprised. Trent never complains and plays through pain. They all do, but even by NFL standards, he's one of the tough guys.

I guess the Skins under Snyder had failed to check ONE of the boxes for total franchise incompetence: Alienate your best player of the last decade (7 Pro Bowls) over a medical issue.
Is there evidence that Trent Williams is playing his no-show for extra money? A string of posts asserted that Williams is greedy, and attacked him. No one pointed to evidence; the only reports say that Williams is furious with the Redskins medical group. Gruden says that's what he has heard, as well.

Is there any basis for the attacks on Trent Williams?
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welch wrote:From "Ask Boswell" on Monday:
Q: Trent Williams
The Redskins have problems in most areas of their franchise. Were you surprised to hear that Trent Williams is unhappy with the medical staff?

A: Thomas Boswell
I was surprised. Trent never complains and plays through pain. They all do, but even by NFL standards, he's one of the tough guys.

I guess the Skins under Snyder had failed to check ONE of the boxes for total franchise incompetence: Alienate your best player of the last decade (7 Pro Bowls) over a medical issue.
Is there evidence that Trent Williams is playing his no-show for extra money? A string of posts asserted that Williams is greedy, and attacked him. No one pointed to evidence; the only reports say that Williams is furious with the Redskins medical group. Gruden says that's what he has heard, as well.

Is there any basis for the attacks on Trent Williams?
let's ask ourselves this - is there any basis for thinking that Allen and Snyder might do the right thing
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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welch wrote:Is there any basis for the attacks on Trent Williams?
The only question I have is why Trent wouldn't see his own doctor instead of the team doctor for a non-football-related medical issue. I'm not attacking him for being concerned about his health but why would he trust team doctors, knowing as he does that they are in the business of clearing players who probably shouldn't be cleared?
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welch wrote:Is there evidence that Trent Williams is playing his no-show for extra money? A string of posts asserted that Williams is greedy, and attacked him. No one pointed to evidence; the only reports say that Williams is furious with the Redskins medical group. Gruden says that's what he has heard, as well.

Is there any basis for the attacks on Trent Williams?
I'm with you, man. That's not a guy I would personally attack without knowing all of the facts 100%.
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