Is this our year for Hard Knocks?

[riggofan]

Lots of people saying YES this year!

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/re ... ard-knocks

I know people have differing opinions on it. Personally I'd love to get that kind of look behind the scenes at the team. What say you?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Lots of people saying YES this year!

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/re ... ard-knocks

I know people have differing opinions on it. Personally I'd love to get that kind of look behind the scenes at the team. What say you?

I think it distracts an already distracted team. I've never seen it be good for the business of winning games.

[ferryrich]

Considering how things usually work out, maybe it would be a good thing

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Considering how things usually work out, maybe it would be a good thing

I don't know. Everything I've ever read says teams tend to change the way they operate when the cameras are rolling.

[riggofan]

Considering how things usually work out, maybe it would be a good thing

lol. Pretty much this.

I'm not really that worried about the distraction part myself. Not expecting a playoff team anyway for one. And I think shining some light on this organization wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Considering how things usually work out, maybe it would be a good thing

lol. Pretty much this.

I'm not really that worried about the distraction part myself. Not expecting a playoff team anyway for one. And I think shining some light on this organization wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Yea, but all we'd see is Bruce Allen's version of what he wants us to see. He's pretty guarded about the actual goings on at Redskins Park.

[riggofan]

Yea, but all we'd see is Bruce Allen's version of what he wants us to see. He's pretty guarded about the actual goings on at Redskins Park.

Maybe. But that's all we see right now as it is. Probably less than that. I think the whole point of Hard Knocks is that HBO gets access to the teams that they might not otherwise allow.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Yea, but all we'd see is Bruce Allen's version of what he wants us to see. He's pretty guarded about the actual goings on at Redskins Park.

Maybe. But that's all we see right now as it is. Probably less than that. I think the whole point of Hard Knocks is that HBO gets access to the teams that they might not otherwise allow.

I think the whole point is the NFL makes money from it. I'd really prefer the Redskins not be distracted from developing their QB of the future.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

This is a tough one for me personally... Ive only ever watched bits and pieces of the show.

That said, if the Skins were on it I would certainly watch wvery episode religiously!! It would be cool to see the inside scoop, hear the player uncensored and real!


However, the likely hood of a team on the show making the playoffs is SUPER low. It IS a distraction, it is to revealing, and its been proven that the teams rarely make the playoffs the year following being on the show. I did the research once last year explaing to a guy why the Browns wont make the playoffs... And used the hardknocks history as one of my points.


I was right.

[riggofan]

However, the likely hood of a team on the show making the playoffs is SUPER low. It IS a distraction, it is to revealing, and its been proven that the teams rarely make the playoffs the year following being on the show. I did the research once last year explaing to a guy why the Browns wont make the playoffs... And used the hardknocks history as one of my points.

It's flawed data though. A team can be exempted from Hard Knocks if they've had a playoff appearance in the past two years. So good, winning teams are not part of the pool to begin with.

The likelihood of the Browns or the Redskins or whoever making the playoffs is SUPER low to begin with.

[DEHog]

On the plus side Gruden has been through it with the Bengals.

[riggofan]

On the plus side Gruden has been through it with the Bengals.

Yeah and he really stood out that season too. He landed a head coaching job the next year!

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2684 ... atform=amp

He is already lobbying for big bro...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

However, the likely hood of a team on the show making the playoffs is SUPER low. It IS a distraction, it is to revealing, and its been proven that the teams rarely make the playoffs the year following being on the show. I did the research once last year explaing to a guy why the Browns wont make the playoffs... And used the hardknocks history as one of my points.

It's flawed data though. A team can be exempted from Hard Knocks if they've had a playoff appearance in the past two years. So good, winning teams are not part of the pool to begin with.

The likelihood of the Browns or the Redskins or whoever making the playoffs is SUPER low to begin with.

Is it 2 years? I think its just the previous season...

At any rate, the Browns have the most top 10 draft talebt of any team... They are young and cheap so they can afford great vets. They could have made the playoffs last year, and should this year. You get the first pick that many times in a row you have to be a contender eventually!

[riggofan]

Is it 2 years? I think its just the previous season...

Yeah I thought so too, but I looked it up. Two years. Also you can be exempt if you have a rookie coach.

At any rate, the Browns have the most top 10 draft talebt of any team... They are young and cheap so they can afford great vets. They could have made the playoffs last year, and should this year. You get the first pick that many times in a row you have to be a contender eventually!

Its insane how long that team has underachieved IMO. They had some really bad drafts and really screwed up hanging on to Hue Jackson so long. If Gregg Williams had been the coach all of last year, I think they WOULD have been a playoff team in 2018.

I'm kind of rooting for them right now. There's a lot of similarities to our own franchise there. Good fan base with a proud history kind of screwed by bad owners. They deserve better. I'll be happy to see the worm turn, and the Browns start whipping the Steelers and Pats.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Whooping up on the Steelers should be something that happebs pretty quickly... The Pats tho.... That'd take a few more years of tanking and would be contingent on the GOAT and Billecheck hanging em up! Lol

[riggofan]

Whooping up on the Steelers should be something that happebs pretty quickly... The Pats tho.... That'd take a few more years of tanking and would be contingent on the GOAT and Billecheck hanging em up! Lol

Don't know about you, but I'm just tired of those same teams winning year after year. We're long overdue. How about a Haskins v Mayfield Super Bowl in 2020??

Bring in the new blood!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Whooping up on the Steelers should be something that happebs pretty quickly... The Pats tho.... That'd take a few more years of tanking and would be contingent on the GOAT and Billecheck hanging em up! Lol

Don't know about you, but I'm just tired of those same teams winning year after year. We're long overdue. How about a Haskins v Mayfield Super Bowl in 2020??

Bring in the new blood!

The over / under on Redskins wins this season is 6.5 and even the local homer writers are taking the under. But, yes, it would be far more interesting if someone other than the Patriots were in the Super Bowl.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Whooping up on the Steelers should be something that happebs pretty quickly... The Pats tho.... That'd take a few more years of tanking and would be contingent on the GOAT and Billecheck hanging em up! Lol

Don't know about you, but I'm just tired of those same teams winning year after year. We're long overdue. How about a Haskins v Mayfield Super Bowl in 2020??

Bring in the new blood!

But of COURSE!!! All my other sports teams are Boston... Irish roots n all. Lucky for me the Skins were once the Boston Braves.... Unlucky for me the skins have sucked azz since I was a kid- and the Pats have been the best team of all time!
Do I want new blood to run the AFC?? Sure.. But you know the saying, "hate us cuz you aint us!!"

I wish more for the rise of the Skins then the fall of NE. I really respect what they have done there... And even Gibbs v1 wont measure up to Bills ability to sustain a winning team and culture.

So long story short, I enjoy watching the NFL bow down to NE and the GOATs Tom and Bill... Even the 3 sbs they lost, coulda shoulda won... Some magic and luck to get sheli those rings... Never shoulda happened! Lmmfao not to mention the damn Fecals getting theirs... Some help from magical catches and calls is all that can beat that machine in NE.

*Skins taking down that giant would be more fulfilling to me... But KC and CLE might be challenging NE this year

[riggofan]

I wish more for the rise of the Skins then the fall of NE. I really respect what they have done there... And even Gibbs v1 wont measure up to Bills ability to sustain a winning team and culture.

Yeah I'm with you on that. We spend our summers on the south shore of Boston, so I'm tight with a LOT of Pats fans. When I'm up there too, I really admire the love and dedication they have for the Red Sox, Pats, Bruins, etc; You can't walk down a block without seeing a Red Sox flag hanging from 3/4 of the houses. Its a little different from the DMV where we're a more transient area and my neighbors claim all sorts of fan loyalties!

I keep telling my family there though not to take it for granted. They've really gotten used to Bill and Tom just getting it done every year. Take it from those of us who lived through the Gibbs era: all good things come to an end!

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

True that! I live in North CO now... And its cool coming from a pro sport deprived state (NM) to see the fan base rise for the home teams.

Wont EVER root for the donkies... Ok I lied only vs the other teams in the nfc east and I know a lot of Raiders fans so Its fun to see them lose LMAO
But the Rockies? Rocktober??? Good times! The Nuggests a game short of the western finals, good isht!


Thats kinda why Im OK with HardKnocks... Chances of playoffs with either Haskins' rookie year or Keenum with Rookie wide outs is very slim... But the inside look at the teams trials and tribulations I think might boost the amount of attention Skins fans invest in the team... And maybe that can carry over to filling seats on game day.

Players have said it feels like a road game at times- and thats the ugly truth!! Its supposed to be a home field ADVANTAGE..Maybe Hardknocks could help bring that back

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

even Gibbs v1 wont measure up to Bills ability to sustain a winning team and culture.

Not to derail this thread but I disagree. Belichick has had advantages Gibbs never had. He's had the same QB. He's has several years of filming his opponents practices and other rules violations. He's never dealt with a player lockout, player strike, or player death. Gibbs dealt with more league, team, and personal issues and won with different QBs and different RBs in a running league before the rules protecting QBs and "defenseless receivers."

I'm not saying Belichick isn't among the greatest of all time. His record speaks for itself. But only Gibbs could have gotten the teams he got to do what they did.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I never would knock Gibbs bro!!

The wins speak for themselves right?

He has sustained a winning culture through MANNNNY players- of course it helps to have Tom.. Just stating the obvious- 6 rings vs 3 and 20 years of dominance vs 5

[riggofan]

Not to derail this thread but I disagree. Belichick has had advantages Gibbs never had. He's had the same QB. He's has several years of filming his opponents practices and other rules violations. He's never dealt with a player lockout, player strike, or player death. Gibbs dealt with more league, team, and personal issues and won with different QBs and different RBs in a running league before the rules protecting QBs and "defenseless receivers."

I'm not saying Belichick isn't among the greatest of all time. His record speaks for itself. But only Gibbs could have gotten the teams he got to do what they did.

Derail away, sir! Its June. We got something better to discuss?

You're totally on point with that assessment of Gibbs. I don't care if I'm a homer or not. All respect to Bill. I'm sure he'll be crowned great NFL coach of all time before its all done. But let's see him win a SB without Brady first.

The only part I'm not sure about in that equation is that Gibbs didn't have to deal with free agency. I wish he would have stuck around another year or two during round 2 to really see if he was able to coach through that.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Not to derail this thread but I disagree. Belichick has had advantages Gibbs never had. He's had the same QB. He's has several years of filming his opponents practices and other rules violations. He's never dealt with a player lockout, player strike, or player death. Gibbs dealt with more league, team, and personal issues and won with different QBs and different RBs in a running league before the rules protecting QBs and "defenseless receivers."

I'm not saying Belichick isn't among the greatest of all time. His record speaks for itself. But only Gibbs could have gotten the teams he got to do what they did.

Derail away, sir! Its June. We got something better to discuss?

You're totally on point with that assessment of Gibbs. I don't care if I'm a homer or not. All respect to Bill. I'm sure he'll be crowned great NFL coach of all time before its all done. But let's see him win a SB without Brady first.

The only part I'm not sure about in that equation is that Gibbs didn't have to deal with free agency. I wish he would have stuck around another year or two during round 2 to really see if he was able to coach through that.

Free agency, yes. A salary cap, no. But I understand your question. It's hard to say because that mostly falls upon the General Manager or the meddling owner. Cooke was a meddling owner, too, in some regards but he allowed Beathard to make football decisions and Gibbs earned his trust in short order. In my mind Belichick couldn't win in that era because Kraft would never outspend Cooke (or Snyder) or Jerrry Jones or even Ed ("It ain't my money but I'm gonna spend it just the same!") DeBartolo. Even Al Davis was spending a fortune back then. The actual Patriots teams of that era were pretty much with what Belichick would have had to work. Not much different from the Cleveland teams with which he began his coaching career. Talk about teams that could have been on Hard Knocks. Those Cleveland teams were the pits.