Possible QB options for 2019?

[welch]

I want to talk about what moves the Redskins should make, but not about what Snyder-Allen will do.

- The team ought to draft the best players available, continuing to build up talent.

- Biggest needs? Aside from the obvious ("everywhere"), the Redskins have not had receivers for the last two seasons. Worst WR's in football, and the only TE, Vernon Davis, is playing beyond retirement age. Having missed trades for Amari Cooper and Golden Tate, who might be available?

- Is it worth trading for receivers for 2019? Get a place-holder QB, such as a career backup, and let him share time with Colt McCoy.

- Pay off Alex Smith now, and have money for 2020. Why live out 2019 on the hope that Smith will play again?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I want to talk about what moves the Redskins should make, but not about what Snyder-Allen will do.

- The team ought to draft the best players available, continuing to build up talent.

- Biggest needs? Aside from the obvious ("everywhere"), the Redskins have not had receivers for the last two seasons. Worst WR's in football, and the only TE, Vernon Davis, is playing beyond retirement age. Having missed trades for Amari Cooper and Golden Tate, who might be available?

- Is it worth trading for receivers for 2019? Get a place-holder QB, such as a career backup, and let him share time with Colt McCoy.

- Pay off Alex Smith now, and have money for 2020. Why live out 2019 on the hope that Smith will play again?

Antonio Brown is undoubtedly available but he's 29 and expensive. The free agency market has a dearth of quality receivers. It has a ton of high risk, high reward types. I'd argue that of all the moves the team has made bringing in Jackson and Garcon a few years back were among the smartest. I don;t see why they couldn't do that again with some younger versions. Golden Tate is 31 now. Dez Bryant is 30. John Brown is 29. None of those guys are the future of anything. Someone like an Adam Humphries might make sense at the right price. He caught something like 75 passes in Tampa last year.

No, it is not worth trading for receivers next year. Learn how to draft them.

Yes, pay off Alex Smith. The odds are he's done. His salary is killing their cap.

[El Mexican]

This team has a terrible record selecting WRs in the high rounds of the draft. At least for the last 20+ years.

It all starts with the QB. Play the numbers and hope you draft another Cousins out of luck. Once that's done, assemble his crew.

Don't know if I can stand another season of junkyard QBs.

[SkinsJock]

Because of the issues we have, the sensible thing would be to look ahead - we do need a QB but we don't need to just go get a QB

This draft and this season needs to be used to make sure we have a good bunch of young players to build around so that we can start to put a more competitive unit together in 2020

[El Mexican]

Because of the issues we have, the sensible thing would be to look ahead - we do need a QB but we don't need to just go get a QB

This draft and this season needs to be used to make sure we have a good bunch of young players to build around so that we can start to put a more competitive unit together in 2020

So you're saying we go against the strategy used by countless teams for the last three decades?

Shanny was right on this one: it's a QB centric league. One good QB is not enough. You need at least two.

We have none.

[riggofan]

I agree with SJ that we shouldn't "take a QB just to take a QB". But we should still try like hell to evaluate and acquire one if possible. Cleveland is a great example of a team who spent years and years adding good players with high draft picks and continuing to be terrible the entire time because they couldn't address QB.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I agree with SJ that we shouldn't "take a QB just to take a QB". But we should still try like hell to evaluate and acquire one if possible. Cleveland is a great example of a team who spent years and years adding good players with high draft picks and continuing to be terrible the entire time because they couldn't address QB.

It's a passing league. If you don't have a QB you don't have a chance. But you'll never know if you have a QB without receivers. Or pass protection. That's why you can't focus on one position. If you know you're going to be a bad team next year and you know there are good QB prospects in the 2020 draft then you can afford to draft other positions this year. If you invest a 1st round pick in a QB prospect you have to play him over the current roster. Trial by fire. No time for development. It's pretty much impossible to know if there's a prospect out there who is capable of that.

[riggofan]

It's a passing league. If you don't have a QB you don't have a chance. But you'll never know if you have a QB without receivers. Or pass protection. That's why you can't focus on one position. If you know you're going to be a bad team next year and you know there are good QB prospects in the 2020 draft then you can afford to draft other positions this year. If you invest a 1st round pick in a QB prospect you have to play him over the current roster. Trial by fire. No time for development. It's pretty much impossible to know if there's a prospect out there who is capable of that.

Truth. And I know we don't have WRs right now, but would you agree that the o-line we have is better than what RG3 had to play behind? I'm assuming a healthy line and a new LG there.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It's a passing league. If you don't have a QB you don't have a chance. But you'll never know if you have a QB without receivers. Or pass protection. That's why you can't focus on one position. If you know you're going to be a bad team next year and you know there are good QB prospects in the 2020 draft then you can afford to draft other positions this year. If you invest a 1st round pick in a QB prospect you have to play him over the current roster. Trial by fire. No time for development. It's pretty much impossible to know if there's a prospect out there who is capable of that.

Truth. And I know we don't have WRs right now, but would you agree that the o-line we have is better than what RG3 had to play behind? I'm assuming a healthy line and a new LG there.

If Lauvao could stay healthy we saw what A.P. did behind that line. But, yes, the Pete Kendall's and whoever else RGIII had blocking for him were no match for having two or three Pro Bowlers on the line. If they made any effort to upgrade the center and left guard positions that line could be dominant.

[SkinsJock]

Every team needs a good QB and our QB situation is a mess - I just don't see it getting resolved soon - until then, I would make the team better in other areas - we're really not far away from having a good O line + there are many other positions of need - let's build the roster with young players so that when we get a franchise QB we can have the other pieces in place

[riggofan]

Every team needs a good QB and our QB situation is a mess - I just don't see it getting resolved soon - until then, I would make the team better in other areas - we're really not far away from having a good O line + there are many other positions of need - let's build the roster with young players so that when we get a franchise QB we can have the other pieces in place

That sounds great in theory but its a moving target. The team has done an okay job of drafting young players, but they're not here forever. They're here for four years mostly then move on as free agents or cost you a boatload of money. Every year that we wait to draft a QB we're losing young players that we drafted.

I'd argue that right now we have some really good pieces on both the o-line and d-line. Its just another wasted year of effort and injury for those guys when they're blocking for the Mark Sanchez's of the league.

[riggofan]

If Lauvao could stay healthy we saw what A.P. did behind that line. But, yes, the Pete Kendall's and whoever else RGIII had blocking for him were no match for having two or three Pro Bowlers on the line. If they made any effort to upgrade the center and left guard positions that line could be dominant.

I think Roullier has been ok and was definitely better when Scherff was healthy. I'd like to see a real upgrade at LG and some better depth. Decent line and AP/Guice, and at least you're giving a young QB a fighting chance to develop without getting killed.

[El Mexican]

Don't see AP here for another season, Riggo. He's what? 34 at the start of next season?
Great effort, though. Maybe be wants to come in as a RB coach?

[SkinsJock]

Every team needs a good QB and our QB situation is a mess - I just don't see it getting resolved soon - until then, I would make the team better in other areas - we're really not far away from having a good O line + there are many other positions of need - let's build the roster with young players so that when we get a franchise QB we can have the other pieces in place

That sounds great in theory but its a moving target. The team has done an okay job of drafting young players, but they're not here forever. They're here for four years mostly then move on as free agents or cost you a boatload of money. Every year that we wait to draft a QB we're losing young players that we drafted.

I'd argue that right now we have some really good pieces on both the o-line and d-line. Its just another wasted year of effort and injury for those guys when they're blocking for the Mark Sanchez's of the league.

it is what it is - there's a very slight chance that we get a future starting QB in the draft and I hope we don't trade up or make a trade to bring in another re-tread - no matter who is playing QB here this season we're looking at 7-9 wins if we get very lucky

we just need to get through this season and hope that a lot of things change here after this season

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Don't see AP here for another season, Riggo. He's what? 34 at the start of next season?
Great effort, though. Maybe be wants to come in as a RB coach?

The thought of going into the season with Guice, Marshall, and Perine strikes fear into the hearts of exactly no one.

[El Mexican]

I agree 100%. But neither those RBs + AP.

I admire the guy, but he's past his prime.
Sadly, he disappeared in lots of games last season even when Gruden called his number.

But hey, at least RB has a better outlook than our current QB position.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I agree 100%. But neither those RBs + AP.

I admire the guy, but he's past his prime.
Sadly, he disappeared in lots of games last season even when Gruden called his number.

But hey, at least RB has a better outlook than our current QB position.

He did but in all fairness the AP of ten years ago couldn't have run behind the line the Skins had for half of the season. And with no passing game it was even more pronounced.

[Sonny9TD]

Best option is Stidham from Auburn in round 3 with our second pick there. TJ Hockenson can block and catch like Gronkowski and would get him Round 1 if Sweat isn't there. So Hockney or Sweat round 1, Rizner at Guard or your favorite OL round 2 and WR David Sills round 3 then Stiidham with second 3rd round pick. Three starters right away and maybe four if Stidham learns quickly but Colt will start day 1.

If we get Hockney and cut Reed we save enough money to add another starter in free agency which means getting Hockney actually gives us another draft pick sort of by being able to add another starter with the money saved on Reed. Maybe being able to add a second round talent to start somewhere.

[riggofan]

Don't see AP here for another season, Riggo. He's what? 34 at the start of next season?
Great effort, though. Maybe be wants to come in as a RB coach?

I'm pretty sure I read that they've already had discussions about returning next year. Guess we'll see.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Don't see AP here for another season, Riggo. He's what? 34 at the start of next season?
Great effort, though. Maybe be wants to come in as a RB coach?

I'm pretty sure I read that they've already had discussions about returning next year. Guess we'll see.

If the front page of Redskins.com is any indication he's coming back.

[riggofan]

If the front page of Redskins.com is any indication he's coming back.

I understand he's going to be 34, but the guy rushed for 1000+ yards and 200 receiving last year. It would be kind of dumb to just say, "Ok you're too old this year." At a MINIMUM you want that guy back in camp. I felt like he was a good veteran role model for those younger players on a team without nearly enough leadership.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

If the front page of Redskins.com is any indication he's coming back.

I understand he's going to be 34, but the guy rushed for 1000+ yards and 200 receiving last year. It would be kind of dumb to just say, "Ok you're too old this year." At a MINIMUM you want that guy back in camp. I felt like he was a good veteran role model for those younger players on a team without nearly enough leadership.

Randy Jordan has nothing but love for A.P. The man talks about coaching Peterson like he's coaching Jesus. I can't imagine they're rushing to let go a player with his work ethic either. He's exactly the type of role model Guice needs.

[riggofan]

Here's Keim on the topic today:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nfceast/post/_ ... -be-tricky
Adrian Peterson can help Redskins, but a deal could be tricky

The Washington Redskins would like running back Adrian Peterson back. Peterson would like to return.

Though a reunion would be good for each side, it's also a risk for both Peterson and the Redskins.

With running back Derrius Guice returning from a torn ACL -- he has posted numerous videos on social media showing his progress -- it's hard to know how much to pay Peterson and for how long. If Guice is healthy and looks like the same back the Redskins thought he was going to be last season, then Peterson's role will shrink.

Gist is that it would be a no-brainer for the team to try bring him on an incentive type deal, but he may be able to command a better guaranteed salary somewhere else.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Here's Keim on the topic today:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nfceast/post/_ ... -be-tricky
Adrian Peterson can help Redskins, but a deal could be tricky

The Washington Redskins would like running back Adrian Peterson back. Peterson would like to return.

Though a reunion would be good for each side, it's also a risk for both Peterson and the Redskins.

With running back Derrius Guice returning from a torn ACL -- he has posted numerous videos on social media showing his progress -- it's hard to know how much to pay Peterson and for how long. If Guice is healthy and looks like the same back the Redskins thought he was going to be last season, then Peterson's role will shrink.

Gist is that it would be a no-brainer for the team to try bring him on an incentive type deal, but he may be able to command a better guaranteed salary somewhere else.

He was sitting home last year until the Redskins called. I'm not sure he's more valuable to any other team. Of course the Skins really screwed themselves with that Alex Smith contract. They have *f$ck* all no cap space. Something like $17 million.

[DarthMonk]

... the Redskins’ top two free agent targets should be S Landon Collins and QB Tyrod Taylor.

Record: 23-21-1

COMP: 61.6%

TD: 53

INT: 20

Good RPO guy. Takes care of the ball. Good fit. Should not be expensive.