chiefhog44 wrote:100% what I’ve been saying. Keep building this team with the mediocre bunch we have. Hiring another head coach from a mediocre pool of candidates to just see the next 10 years be mediocre is not a good solution. Further, I think the run on HC’s around the league has depleted the coaching pool. The up and comers need more time to develop OR hire an unconventional HC hire like Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Brohm, Lincoln Riley. Nobody can win next year with the QB situation that we have. Might as well let the plane crash and burn with the group we have. Next year is the complete rebuild IMO. QB class looks strong. Coaching candidates will be more seasoned. Snyder will have one more year to realize that Bruce Allen is the main reason the stadium is empty....even after he’s reassigned this offseason. Hate to say it and as I’ve been saying....staying the course is our best solution right now. Just hope we don’t lose Kyle Smith in the process. I think he’s the only legitimate talent in the building.
Wow. Completely agree with all of this.
I think you're especially on point about the HC situation right now. Just way too many vacancies right now and a really underwhelming pool of coaching candidates. Even if there is a potential star in there, nobody stands out to me as a guy who could come in here and fully take charge the way we need.
With this talk about Bruce Allen being reassigned, I keep hearing about certain guys being given "more authority" or whatever. I just don't get that. We need a GM. An actual general manager who is responsible for this football team.
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as of now it seems apparent that there will be no knee jerk reaction from the Redskins.
It's also apparent that with Dan Snyder still in control of things, there would not be many (if any) coaches that would really want to come here.
It doesn't matter what Bruce Allen does as long as he's not in charge of football operations where's he's demonstrated he's as useless as tits on a bull
hopefully Dan Snyder will add a GM and give him a year to see what else needs to be done
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
My optimistic thought: ignore the QB spot, Redskins. Draft for WR, TE, fast linebackers and DB's. Draft good players, as mentioned above. If the team wins only four or five games next year, that's OK.
100% what I’ve been saying. Keep building this team with the mediocre bunch we have. Hiring another head coach from a mediocre pool of candidates to just see the next 10 years be mediocre is not a good solution. Further, I think the run on HC’s around the league has depleted the coaching pool. The up and comers need more time to develop OR hire an unconventional HC hire like Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Brohm, Lincoln Riley. Nobody can win next year with the QB situation that we have. Might as well let the plane crash and burn with the group we have. Next year is the complete rebuild IMO. QB class looks strong. Coaching candidates will be more seasoned. Snyder will have one more year to realize that Bruce Allen is the main reason the stadium is empty....even after he’s reassigned this offseason. Hate to say it and as I’ve been saying....staying the course is our best solution right now. Just hope we don’t lose Kyle Smith in the process. I think he’s the only legitimate talent in the building.
This is true. But it's painful to watch great young talent like McVay just leave here and achieve great success elsewhere.
That should speak volumes about the disorganization we're dealing with.
If the coach makes a 10% difference in number of additional wins per season, then you're suddenly in play-off contention. I don't see that with Gruden.
Player talent is not our strong suit, unfortunately. So a thin or strong draft will make little difference. We need to shake things up by drafting two QBs. Just in case.
Hey, it worked for Shanny right?
chiefhog44 wrote:100% what I’ve been saying. Keep building this team with the mediocre bunch we have. Hiring another head coach from a mediocre pool of candidates to just see the next 10 years be mediocre is not a good solution. Further, I think the run on HC’s around the league has depleted the coaching pool. The up and comers need more time to develop OR hire an unconventional HC hire like Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Brohm, Lincoln Riley. Nobody can win next year with the QB situation that we have. Might as well let the plane crash and burn with the group we have. Next year is the complete rebuild IMO. QB class looks strong. Coaching candidates will be more seasoned. Snyder will have one more year to realize that Bruce Allen is the main reason the stadium is empty....even after he’s reassigned this offseason. Hate to say it and as I’ve been saying....staying the course is our best solution right now. Just hope we don’t lose Kyle Smith in the process. I think he’s the only legitimate talent in the building.
Wow. Completely agree with all of this.
I think you're especially on point about the HC situation right now. Just way too many vacancies right now and a really underwhelming pool of coaching candidates. Even if there is a potential star in there, nobody stands out to me as a guy who could come in here and fully take charge the way we need.
With this talk about Bruce Allen being reassigned, I keep hearing about certain guys being given "more authority" or whatever. I just don't get that. We need a GM. An actual general manager who is responsible for this football team.
Even so...who here wouldn't take a Arians/Bowles ticket over Gruden and Munasky!!
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:Even so...who here wouldn't take a Arians/Bowles ticket over Gruden and Munasky!!
I mean, I'm sure everyone would say heck yeah to that at this point. But what reason is there to believe Arians/Bowles would be more successful than Mike Shanahan?
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DEHog wrote:Even so...who here wouldn't take a Arians/Bowles ticket over Gruden and Munasky!!
I mean, I'm sure everyone would say heck yeah to that at this point. But what reason is there to believe Arians/Bowles would be more successful than Mike Shanahan?
Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!
Gotcha, I understand what you're saying. And yeah I'd agree that Arians/Bowles was definitely one of the better coaching hires to be done out there. I've been mostly underwhelmed by the coaching news so far.
I still think Gregg Williams should be a HC personally. If the team were to move on from Jay that would be the guy I'd most like to see here.
Does anyone know the answer to this: was Williams the coach Gibbs wanted to succeed him? I can't really remember how that all went down after Gibbs left.
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DEHog wrote:Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!
Gotcha, I understand what you're saying. And yeah I'd agree that Arians/Bowles was definitely one of the better coaching hires to be done out there. I've been mostly underwhelmed by the coaching news so far.
I still think Gregg Williams should be a HC personally. If the team were to move on from Jay that would be the guy I'd most like to see here.
Does anyone know the answer to this: was Williams the coach Gibbs wanted to succeed him? I can't really remember how that all went down after Gibbs left.
Yes, Gregg W. was the guy that Joe Gibbs intended to take over the Redskins. Gibbs had also brought Al Saunders to be Offensive Coordinator. Saunders was an offensive "advisor" this season at Cleveland. However, Dan Snyder knows more about football than Amos Alonzo Stagg, Vince Lombardi, and Joe Gibbs combined. The Redskins got Vinnie Cerrato version 2 and Jim Zorn.
DEHog wrote:Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!
Gotcha, I understand what you're saying. And yeah I'd agree that Arians/Bowles was definitely one of the better coaching hires to be done out there. I've been mostly underwhelmed by the coaching news so far.
I still think Gregg Williams should be a HC personally. If the team were to move on from Jay that would be the guy I'd most like to see here.
Does anyone know the answer to this: was Williams the coach Gibbs wanted to succeed him? I can't really remember how that all went down after Gibbs left.
Yes, Gregg W. was the guy that Joe Gibbs intended to take over the Redskins. Gibbs had also brought Al Saunders to be Offensive Coordinator. Saunders was an offensive "advisor" this season at Cleveland. However, Dan Snyder knows more about football than Amos Alonzo Stagg, Vince Lombardi, and Joe Gibbs combined. The Redskins got Vinnie Cerrato version 2 and Jim Zorn.
Remember the reports of the heated argument between Snyder and Williams, I heard is was because Snyder went back on his word to hire him as the HC after Gibbs left. Williams had offers he could have taken, but stayed because he believed he was the coach in waiting...I always liked him as well!
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
Dan Snyder needs to stop interfering with who plays and coaches here and bring in a GM who is in charge of football operations
IF Bruce Allen remains here he should also report to the new GM
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Trade down and then get Guard Dalton Rizner and then best player available of need which is either
Safety, CB, Linebacker, WR, or pass rusher with the extra pick. But get Dalton Rizner one way or the other
DEHog wrote:Did the Skins really bring in Todd Bowles to interview him for a position coach spot??
Unknown. What is known is Bowles left without a contract offer, which is inexcusable given the manner with which Manusky's mostly healthy defense fell apart. Gregg Williams is not walking through that door. Their options are limited. Is there anyone outside Redskins Park who doesn't think Bowles is an upgrade over Manusky?
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.
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riggofan wrote:I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.
Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer. Obviously that didn't happen. Knowing this organization they probably brought him in to interview for the special teams coaching job vacated by Kotwica. They certainly didn't bring him in to replace Manusky or he'd have at least been made an offer.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
riggofan wrote:I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.
Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer. Obviously that didn't happen. Knowing this organization they probably brought him in to interview for the special teams coaching job vacated by Kotwica. They certainly didn't bring him in to replace Manusky or he'd have at least been made an offer.
Do we even have a opening? Only one I know of is ST... So if you're Manusky how are you feeling today?
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
riggofan wrote:I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.
Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer. Obviously that didn't happen. Knowing this organization they probably brought him in to interview for the special teams coaching job vacated by Kotwica. They certainly didn't bring him in to replace Manusky or he'd have at least been made an offer.
Do we even have a opening? Only one I know of is ST... So if you're Manusky how are you feeling today?
I guess that was my point. Why don't we have an opening? What did Manusky do that justifies not giving Bowles or Gregg Williams (if he would even come back) or anyone else an offer? It seems like the Redskins want to change nothing and expect different results, which means they're blaming 100% of their problems on injuries. If the offense can score more than 17 points a game maybe the defense is better than it looked the second half of the season but not that damn much better. The '85 Bears they are not.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.
I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.
Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.
I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.
Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.
What strikes me as a "big deal" is how the Redskins seems to be content to sit with their collective thumbs up their collective asses collectively watching the coaching carousel go 'round. Todd Bowles is just a symptom of the larger problem that the team apparently has *f$ck* all intention of making any coaching changes. Nothing I saw this season said to me that none of the coaching is the problem. What I did see was the team cut a Pro Bowl safety because he called out the defensive coordinator. I'd rather have the Pro Bowl safety but that's just me. This organization has no idea how to conduct business. It's no wonder it's a perpetual failure. They have nothing but excuses every year. It's always "We're this close!" This close to what? The Cleveland effing Browns were as good as the Redskins this season with an interim coach they fired.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:What strikes me as a "big deal" is how the Redskins seems to be content to sit with their collective thumbs up their collective asses collectively watching the coaching carousel go 'round. Todd Bowles is just a symptom of the larger problem that the team apparently has *f$ck* all intention of making any coaching changes.
Right on.
Man, I'm not sure if they no intention of making any changes. I'm kind of worried that these guys just have no idea wtf to do. Is having no plan worse than having a bad plan??
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:What strikes me as a "big deal" is how the Redskins seems to be content to sit with their collective thumbs up their collective asses collectively watching the coaching carousel go 'round. Todd Bowles is just a symptom of the larger problem that the team apparently has *f$ck* all intention of making any coaching changes.
Right on.
Man, I'm not sure if they no intention of making any changes. I'm kind of worried that these guys just have no idea wtf to do. Is having no plan worse than having a bad plan??
When you're the Redskins I think no plan and a bad plan are one and the same.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
With Beavis & Butthead in charge and Southpark as your coaching staff no changes needed...Remember it was bad luck with
injuries...apathy ….cant, cry just as well laugh about it ..
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.
I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.
Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.
Ok but why make that public when you don't have a opening?? Think about finding out your boss is conducting interviews for your job. This just tells me that the Skins still don't have a clue about how to conduct business! The sad part is the league is watching...I stand by my statement that the Skins couldn't get the coach they wanted to replace Gruden so they kept him. The last thing the Skins need is a "public" repeat of the process that lead to the Zorn hire.
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.
I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.
Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.
Ok but why make that public when you don't have a opening?? Think about finding out your boss is conducting interviews for your job. This just tells me that the Skins still don't have a clue about how to conduct business! The sad part is the league is watching...I stand by my statement that the Skins couldn't get the coach they wanted to replace Gruden so they kept him. The last thing the Skins need is a "public" repeat of the process that lead to the Zorn hire.
Wouldn't surprise me. Didn't they want Vic Fangio before they hired Gruden?
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
