Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh Johnson

[SkinsJock]

^^

[welch]

Time to trade for Nate Sudfeld.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Time to write this season off as another failed experiment. Nothing ever changes.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Time to write this season off as another failed experiment. Nothing ever changes.

Not many teams lose the starting Rb (Guice), Qb, Wr(PRich), Rg, Lg, and back up qb for the season... Not to mention back up Qb, guard(s) and tackles for the season.. Sprinkle in losing starting probowler LT for some time, starting slot wr (one of our best weapons), starting big play making 3rd down/ receiver rb in CT (another big time weapon), RT playing injured, starting 2nd year C moving around...

This isht is crazy!

Cant blame Danny boy or Allen for this run of bad luck. Did you see how Colt broke his leg?? We cant even blame FedEx fields trash azz field...

Conditioning staff? Idk... Could NEs strength and conditioning staff prevented AS's gruesome broken leg?

Maybe a name change is imminent.... The forever damned and cursed by PC? smmfh

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Time to write this season off as another failed experiment. Nothing ever changes.

Not many teams lose the starting Rb (Guice), Qb, Wr(PRich), Rg, Lg, and back up qb for the season... Not to mention back up Qb, guard(s) and tackles for the season.. Sprinkle in losing starting probowler LT for some time, starting slot wr (one of our best weapons), starting big play making 3rd down/ receiver rb in CT (another big time weapon), RT playing injured, starting 2nd year C moving around...

This isht is crazy!

Cant blame Danny boy or Allen for this run of bad luck. Did you see how Colt broke his leg?? We cant even blame FedEx fields trash azz field...

Conditioning staff? Idk... Could NEs strength and conditioning staff prevented AS's gruesome broken leg?

Maybe a name change is imminent.... The forever damned and cursed by PC? smmfh

Every year is a different excuse. Why do some teams make the playoffs every year and other teams make excuses every year? The 1982, 1983, 1987, and 1991 Washington Redskins teams had their fair share of injuries. This franchise is cursed under this owner. That's not a maybe. It takes real skill to go from "We Want Dallas!" to this. It's time for a name change, an ownership change, and a philosophy change. Everything this team touches turns to *sh$t*, even Joe Gibbs 2.0

[El Mexican]

Every team deals with injuries.

I have no explanation as to why more of our players get injured that the rest of the league.
There's no logic behind it. Except that other teams seem to be more physical than us.

Contrast that to the Redskins teams of the 80s and 90s and the reverse was true:
we seemed much more physical than the opponents.

This is purely subjective, of course, but the enormous amount of injuries each year is certainly not.

[riggofan]

Every team deals with injuries.

I'd be very curious to see if a team has ever lost both of its starting QBs to broken legs. lol. Seriously, this stuff is INSANE.

Season is done, and we are royally hosed with our quarterback situation going into next year. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, but I am 100% certain that Bruce Allen needs to go. He's had ten years to straighten out this franchise, and the NUMBER ONE MOST OBVIOUS ISSUE: QUARTERBACK has never been dealt with. And worse, it has been one colossal f-up after the next.

Dude has to go.

[chiefhog44]

Long time since I’ve been in here. Seems like attendance has fallen on hard times....What gives?

This is not the year to fire Allen and Gruden. A lot of the top coordinators were just hired as head coaches. The new coordinators need another year in my opinion. Also, Smith is on this team for two more years minimum. This years QB draft class is terrible. You would put a new coach at such a disadvantage with this fan base if they hired someone this offseason. Hell Smith and Mccoy may not even be able to make OTA’s. Keep building the defense in the first round of the draft. Next year would be Grudens and Allen’s last. Promote Kyle Smith to GM and clean house. Hire someone out of Andy Reid’s tree (Smith knows the offense) and Go all in on a QB in the 2020 draft. Let the rookie sit behind Smith for a year and learn from a professional. In addition, I think a couple head coaches that are defensive gurus (Todd’s bowles, Vance Joseph etc.) make it one more year. Hire one to be D-Coordinator.

Before you break up with your girlfriend, you better have a plan as to who you’re dating next....we’ll ahead of time.

[DEHog]

Every team deals with injuries.

I'd be very curious to see if a team has ever lost both of its starting QBs to broken legs. lol. Seriously, this stuff is INSANE.

Season is done, and we are royally hosed with our quarterback situation going into next year. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, but I am 100% certain that Bruce Allen needs to go. He's had ten years to straighten out this franchise, and the NUMBER ONE MOST OBVIOUS ISSUE: QUARTERBACK has never been dealt with. And worse, it has been one colossal f-up after the next.

Dude has to go.

Agreed, I think this year has sealed his fate...don't know if he'll be let go from the organization but I can see Snyder announcing that he has been reassigned...

[riggofan]

Thought Grant Paulsen just tweeted pretty succinctly what I'm saying:

Grant Paulsen
‏Verified account @granthpaulsen
2h2 hours ago

The Redskins are now 58-84-1 in Bruce Allen's 9+ seasons running the team. GM spot in that time included McCloughan saga, Jay Gruden is his 3rd coach. The QB situation has involved the McNabb trade & extension, Griffin fall from grace, Cousins fiasco and Smith trade/ extension.

He's gotta go.

[riggofan]

Long time since I’ve been in here. Seems like attendance has fallen on hard times....What gives?

lol. Do you have to ask???

This is not the year to fire Allen and Gruden. A lot of the top coordinators were just hired as head coaches. The new coordinators need another year in my opinion. Also, Smith is on this team for two more years minimum. This years QB draft class is terrible. You would put a new coach at such a disadvantage with this fan base if they hired someone this offseason. Hell Smith and Mccoy may not even be able to make OTA’s. Keep building the defense in the first round of the draft. Next year would be Grudens and Allen’s last. Promote Kyle Smith to GM and clean house. Hire someone out of Andy Reid’s tree (Smith knows the offense) and Go all in on a QB in the 2020 draft. Let the rookie sit behind Smith for a year and learn from a professional. In addition, I think a couple head coaches that are defensive gurus (Todd’s bowles, Vance Joseph etc.) make it one more year. Hire one to be D-Coordinator.

Before you break up with your girlfriend, you better have a plan as to who you’re dating next....we’ll ahead of time.

Some good thoughts here but aren't you basically talking about ANOTHER rebuild? Not saying you're wrong about it. Just a bummer. When it comes to Jay I'm still on the fence. With the injuries the past two years, its hard to say that he's ever really had a shot. But if we had the opportunity to get a little bit tougher at head coach (I still remain a Gregg Williams fan) I wouldn't be disappointed to see it happen.

Also, can I ask this. Has anyone else been sorely disappointed by the defense these past few weeks and last night especially? I think they've done a decent job building that defense up with good players. It really hasn't shown lately. Even Gruden last night said something to the effect that its nearly impossible for the offense in its current shape to do much while the D is allowing 435 yards.

[welch]

I'm pulling for Snyder to fire Bruce Allen but NOT hire Vinnie Cerrato. Besides: it's the Snyder-way to blame someone, fire them, and plant stories that "Dan has learned how to be an NFL owner" and "Dan has turned the corner" and "Dan has taken a hands-off approach to the team".

[ferryrich]

I wasn't optimistic at all about this season. Then our Dcombined with our D doing enough had me up a little bit. A few key injuriesbhad me so-so, then we lost the only 2 QBs we were carrying. Street QBs will get you nowhere.

Snyder won't go, GM's might, but we missed our chance with McVay.

[Redskin in Canada]

I'm pulling for Snyder to fire Bruce Allen but NOT hire Vinnie Cerrato. Besides: it's the Snyder-way to blame someone, fire them, and plant stories that "Dan has learned how to be an NFL owner" and "Dan has turned the corner" and "Dan has taken a hands-off approach to the team".

Bingo.

I will recover my optimism when Daniel Snyder disappears or we get a new owner.

Hey, Warren Buffett, are you reading me? Pay the guy and make a twofold fortune bringing this team back from the disaster it has been for almost two decades. Please.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/warr ... -redskins/

[gibbsfan]

I'm pulling for Snyder to fire Bruce Allen but NOT hire Vinnie Cerrato. Besides: it's the Snyder-way to blame someone, fire them, and plant stories that "Dan has learned how to be an NFL owner" and "Dan has turned the corner" and "Dan has taken a hands-off approach to the team".

Bingo.

I will recover my optimism when Daniel Snyder disappears or we get a new owner.

Hey, Warren Buffett, are you reading me? Pay the guy and make a twofold fortune bringing this team back from the disaster it has been for almost two decades. Please.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/warr ... -redskins/

Bingo ...i couldnt agree with you more.. its extremely tough year after year going on 20 years now..

[grampi]

Every team deals with injuries.

I have no explanation as to why more of our players get injured that the rest of the league.
There's no logic behind it. Except that other teams seem to be more physical than us.

Contrast that to the Redskins teams of the 80s and 90s and the reverse was true:
we seemed much more physical than the opponents.

This is purely subjective, of course, but the enormous amount of injuries each year is certainly not.

The number of injuries this team suffers from every year is way too high for me to believe it's just bad luck, or coincidental. It has to have something to do with poor preparation and/or poor technique, and that comes from poor coaching...

[riggofan]

The number of injuries this team suffers from every year is way too high for me to believe it's just bad luck, or coincidental. It has to have something to do with poor preparation and/or poor technique, and that comes from poor coaching...

I think its probably the traffic in the DMV. People around here are spending more and more time sitting in traffic, even the players. And that is contributing to their lack of preparedness. Also making muscles tighter and bones more brittle.

[SkinsJock]

Bruce Allen has got to go and I'd keep Jay Gruden - this franchise is not going anywhere for a couple of years - why burn up a good coach

[SkinsJock]

it's very difficult to be optimistic when the reality is we could end up 6-10 after starting 5-2

I'm feeling embarrassed

[El Mexican]

Every team deals with injuries.

I have no explanation as to why more of our players get injured that the rest of the league.
There's no logic behind it. Except that other teams seem to be more physical than us.

Contrast that to the Redskins teams of the 80s and 90s and the reverse was true:
we seemed much more physical than the opponents.

This is purely subjective, of course, but the enormous amount of injuries each year is certainly not.

The number of injuries this team suffers from every year is way too high for me to believe it's just bad luck, or coincidental. It has to have something to do with poor preparation and/or poor technique, and that comes from poor coaching...

Yep, that would seem to be the problem. Just a couple days ago one
of our players was complaining that the team slacks off on Fridays and Saturdays and even during pre-game warmups.
Can't remember who said this exactly, but it was just a few days ago.

Dallas and Philly just steamrolled over us. Their physicallity tends to help them in the latter part of the season.

[welch]

And that's the reverse of the Gibbs years. John Madden and Pat Summerall used to marvel at the Redskins' records in December.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I get the frustration, but would be hard pressed not to mention some of the cap magic Allen has worked. We used to over pay for over the hill players who got fat checks to come roll over in DC... That, and how do you blane the GM for 2 qbs getting legs broke? Like, what team could overcome that??

Its buttfumbles time to shine, i guess? Optimistic thread... Uhg I hope its warm enough to fish on Sundays

[riggofan]

I get the frustration, but would be hard pressed not to mention some of the cap magic Allen has worked. We used to over pay for over the hill players who got fat checks to come roll over in DC... That, and how do you blane the GM for 2 qbs getting legs broke? Like, what team could overcome that??

Yeah I completely agree that Allen has been (vastly) better than Cerrato in managing the team better in that way. We've had cap sanity, more patience and a focus on building through the draft. And clearly as much as people want to point fingers, nobody is to blame for the QBs being injured like this. The day Colt took over as starter though, I did warn some people on here not to get too excited because the guy has never been able to stay healthy for an extended period of time in his entire career.

I'm totally willing to give him and even Snyder credit for those things, but its largely meaningless because the QB situation has been so badly mishandled. Year and after year. Its like giving your kid credit for checking the air pressure in his tires and keeping them properly inflated while he drives for five years without ever getting an oil change.

[SkinsJock]

OK - let's say that it's not really anyone's fault that we've had 2 horrendous season with injuries to so many key players
AND
let's keep everyone and do the best we can through this - after all these guys have done some good things ... haven't they?

we could get lucky - even the blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then ....

give me a break - I want to see somebody fired - make somebody pay for the mistakes
let's get some people in here that know what they're doing - anyone can do a better job than these idiots have done

[fredp45]

I don't believe the Redskins made the wrong decision with quarterbacks...

Kirk was not the guy to lead us. I believe it's become pretty clear as we watch him on the Vikings that he is no way worth $28 mil per year -- guaranteed. He makes the same mistakes with them as he did with us. I could argue we shouldn't have put the tag on him for the 2 years prior.

While Smith wasn't killing it, we were 6-3 when he went down. It's so easy now to say, we shouldn't have made that trade, but that's Monday am quarterback and easy to say.