Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:No, in fairness to Gruden I can't blame him for a pass I could have made that Alex Smith completely botched. But the offense is far too conservative for a team with nothing to lose by opening up the playbook. The worst that happens is you turn the ball over. With this defense even that isn't so bad. This defense appears to be legitimate. A good passing QB will probably test them a lot more than running teams or teams with Eli Manning so I hope the plan is to score more than 20 points next week.
I listened to the game on the radio so I wasn't sure, but is that what happened? Straight up bad pass? Hard to tell from the radio broadcasts. Also had to listen to half of the game on XM with a Giants crew which suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
Its unbelievable what Adrian Peterson is doing this season. I saw Cris Carter apologize to him on Twitter yesterday!
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Yep. Bad pass. Terrible. Not even close to catchable.
Also, the Skins better be planning how to re-sign Peterson next season, even if Guice is ready to go.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Also, the Skins better be planning how to re-sign Peterson next season, even if Guice is ready to go.
Its crazy to me we haven't seen more of Samaje Perine yet. 3 carries for 5 yards THIS SEASON. I hope that speaks more to how good Peterson has been.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Also, the Skins better be planning how to re-sign Peterson next season, even if Guice is ready to go.
Its crazy to me we haven't seen more of Samaje Perine yet. 3 carries for 5 yards THIS SEASON. I hope that speaks more to how good Peterson has been.
Guice, Peterson, Thompson, Bibbs, Brown, Perine. Guess which one has the least chance of being on the roster next season.
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You might be right. Just crazy that guy is a third round pick, not sure how much of a chance he has really gotten to show what he can do. I mean, aside from fumble in key situations.
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It seems to me -- have been able to watch the last two games -- that the Redskins do not have the receivers to throw much. Maybe not the QB, either, since Smith seems more of a careful guy than a passer who can carry the team.
Gruden seems to be calling a sensible game. Not always my favorite sort: "I'm a Redskin fan and I like Sonny". Still, it fits a team with a good defense and a strong OL, Peterson plus below-average receivers.
welch wrote:It seems to me -- have been able to watch the last two games -- that the Redskins do not have the receivers to throw much. Maybe not the QB, either, since Smith seems more of a careful guy than a passer who can carry the team.
Gruden seems to be calling a sensible game. Not always my favorite sort: "I'm a Redskin fan and I like Sonny". Still, it fits a team with a good defense and a strong OL, Peterson plus below-average receivers.
Smith's reputation is of game management and timely, accurate throws... kinda like... Cousins.
So far... not very accurate. The frequency he overthrows players in medium routes is awful. That is NOT the receivers. I kept thinking... the Giant's game would have been a blow out had Cousins been under center. Same thing against Dallas. Overthrows... misses...
I'm hoping he gets it together soon...
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Countertrey wrote:Smith's reputation is of game management and timely, accurate throws... kinda like... Cousins.
So far... not very accurate. The frequency he overthrows players in medium routes is awful. That is NOT the receivers. I kept thinking... the Giant's game would have been a blow out had Cousins been under center. Same thing against Dallas. Overthrows... misses...
I'm hoping he gets it together soon...
Frustrating as hell. I'm okay with the game manager thing, but I felt like in the preseason and maybe the first week or two we saw Smith making plays with his legs and looking fairly accurate with his passes. At least on the shorter routes.
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all I care about is what we've seen the past 2 games ... Smith is definitely not playing as well as he can
Gruden and Smith need to do their jobs better
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
The good news for Smith- is there is only room for improvement... Lacking Reed most offseason and CT, CT missing games during the regular season, one starting wr coming in off the streets, one coming in off the pup, and JDoc being injured most preseason and some games this season- its not like having Diggs and Theeland all camp and season.. He will gain confidence and improve. He isnt a Sexy Rexy who will gun sling... Most of the off throws are likely him holding back a touch. Once the chemistry is there and some progress is made in game, he will flower. The opposite of previous signal callers who will just huck it and then blow the game away when it counts. The colts game was a a play or two away- the aints game got out of hand despite the D making good stops and getting flags to negate them early...
We aren't the Pats, but we are physical on both sides for once- Smith will do what he has to or face the music. 5-2- rejoice
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Best coach in the league is a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch. But deserves props for keeping this wobbly train moving.
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Jay Gruden certainly deserves some credit but I still don't think he's a very good HC - as we've stated in the past, he's the best we could get at the time
I doubt that even if we win the NFC East this season, Jay Gruden is the HC here in 2020 AND if we don't win the NFC East I doubt he's here in 2019
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Jay Gruden certainly deserves some credit but I still don't think he's a very good HC - as we've stated in the past, he's the best we could get at the time
We??? Are you referring to yourself in the plural now?
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riggofan wrote:We??? Are you referring to yourself in the plural now?
That's only one step removed from referring to oneself in the third person. But, in SJ's defense, I do recall more than one person thinking he was the best coach the Redskins could get at the time. I mean, do we really have to review the history of the head coaching job before Gruden? You hire Shanahan and give him full personnel control, probably because it's the only way he will take the job, then you wrestle the control you gave him away by trading away the future of the organization for a prospect Shanahan, an offensive guru, knows can't play the position at the NFL level. Then you blame Shanahan for the team's record. Then you hire Scot McCloughan and fire him under false pretenses so you can place the blame somewhere other than on Bruce Allen. Before that you deny a job you promised to Gregg Williams, the guy Joe Gibbs hand-picked to succeed him when he knew he was stepping down, and give it to Jim Zorn, a guy with no qualifications or experience beyond quarterback. So, in short, your track record is firing geniuses and hiring idiots. When you need a head coach you can't expect anyone established and reputable to take the job. Christ, they couldn't get the guy who has systematically dismantled the Raiders on the way to a 1-7 record to take the job. So they hired his brother. Gruden has done decently well given that with which he has had to work. It's not like he's had the Cleveland Browns' draft picks or franchise players at multiple positions. You can count on one hand the number of irreplaceable players he has and have fingers to spare.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:That's only one step removed from referring to oneself in the third person. But, in SJ's defense, I do recall more than one person thinking he was the best coach the Redskins could get at the time. I mean, do we really have to review the history of the head coaching job before Gruden?
The Redskins interviewed a number of good coaches in 2014. In fact, they interviewed both Jay Gruden and Mike Zimmer before hiring Gruden. Zimmer took the Vikins job a week later. He also just took the Vikes to the NFC championship last year, so I'm calling BS on this "Jay was the best coach the Redskins could get" nonsense. The Redskins could have hired Mike Zimmer.
I'm pretty sure what SJ means is that we couldn't lure another HoF coach out of retirement to come work for Snyder. Which is probably true for the reasons you brought up.
Either way I enjoyed his use of "WE" like this is some indisputable fact that everyone agrees on.
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not at all - I was not the only one that felt that when we looked back and discussed Jay Gruden's hiring - the Redskins were so toxic that nobody decent would have come to work here
Zimmer may have 'interviewed' for the job but the fact that he did not take it IMO is because he didn't really want it
anyway, it matters not - IMO the Redskins would be better off without Jay Gruden but I hope that does not happen until we can gain some respectability
It's good to hear that there are some people here that are trying to turn this franchise around from the mess that Snyder created
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote: not at all - I was not the only one that felt that at the time of Gruden's hiring, the Redskins were so toxic that nobody decent would have come to work here - Zimmer may have 'interviewed' for the job but the fact that he did not take it IMO is because he didn't really want it
I wasn't completely correct on how I remembered that btw. They apparently loved Gruden so much, they didn't want to let him out of the building. (Kind of hard to remember at the time but he was kind of a "hot" coaching candidate at the time and there were other teams interested in interviewing him.) The Skins had requested to interview Zimmer, but hired Jay before the interview happened.
The Redskins requested an interview with Zimmer per NFL protocol when you are interested in talking to another team’s coordinator about your head coaching job. But the interview never happened. The Bengals were eliminated from the playoffs on Sunday, Gruden came to town for his interview on Tuesday evening and he never left.
Personally, I think Gruden and Zimmer were both good HC choices for any franchise. SkinsJock, I think you and I would both agree that no matter who the coach was or is, he had to rebuild the roster and had some serious issues to deal with on how the team has been managed. That's a dead horse I have no interest in beating, man. Just is what it is.
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^^ you're exactly right, I don't want to go there either - I remember thinking/hoping that he might become a good HC for us, especially given what he'd done as an OC - I'm not hating Jay as a HC - I just think that he's not as good a HC as he is an OC - in all fairness this has been a difficult place to work
I also do not want to just dump Jay Gruden - this franchise is in an interesting place right now, there's a lot of good young players to build around - to just change for the sake of change is not good - I think we could do better than Jay but I don't have a lot of faith in who these 2 might select
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
So who is available that is better? HC he is actually ok- i think as an OC is where he lacks. Look at McVay- guy is much better suited as an oc the JG... I wish he'd relinquish play calling to an actual OC and just be the HC again
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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:So who is available that is better? HC he is actually ok- i think as an OC is where he lacks. Look at McVay- guy is much better suited as an oc the JG... I wish he'd relinquish play calling to an actual OC and just be the HC again
I think that's a really good argument. By most accounts, the players seem to like and respect him. There have been a couple times this year already where I thought the team was just done, but they haven't quit. Is Matt Cavanaugh an actual OC?
On the bad side, the thing I haven't liked with Jay has been some of those games where the team just didn't look ready at all to play. Coming out flat at home against a bad Giants team in a game you need to win. That kind of stuff falls on the coaching staff IMO. Those games are going to happen to everyone, but it seems like Gruden has had more than his share. I don't expect to win every game, but I hate to see the team just roll over.
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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Ques SJ with perpetual "front office" post
well, someone needs to make it clear ...
Alex Smith, 34, signed a four-year, $94M deal (including $71M in guarantees)
his contract is such that the Redskins can not easily get out from under it without taking a huge salary-cap hit until after the 2020 season
this is not a good decision by somebody - maybe even a stupid one
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
not at all - I was not the only one that felt that when we looked back and discussed Jay Gruden's hiring - the Redskins were so toxic that nobody decent would have come to work here 
