Injuries

[riggofan]

John Keim
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Redskins coach Jay Gruden said guard Brandon Scherff (torn pec), receiver Paul Richardson (shoulder/knee) and guard Shawn Lauvao (ACL) all will need season ending surgeries.
3:03 PM - 5 Nov 2018

Damn. Offense was hanging on by a thread to begin with.

[riggofan]

Les Carpenter
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30m30 minutes ago

The #Redskins will be signing up to four offensive linemen off the street, two will probably have to start this week. They had six in for workouts this morning. Physicals being taken now.
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[welch]

Catastrophe: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... 1bf5f89f85

The Washington Redskins will be without three offensive starters for the rest of the season. Coach Jay Gruden announced that right guard Brandon Scherff suffered a torn pectoral muscle and left guard Shawn Lauvao a torn ACL during a 38-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday, and wide receiver Paul Richardson is also done for the season after injuring the AC joint in his shoulder.

The injuries are a devastating blow to an offense that has struggled to score points this season and is clinging to a one-game lead in the NFC East at the halfway point of their season.

Washington was already dealing with several key injuries on offense. Star left tackle Trent Williams missed the Atlanta game following thumb surgery, and he is expected to be out another two to three games, according to Gruden. The receiving corps was already limited by an ankle injury to slot receiver Jamison Crowder, who has missed the team’s last four games and is no lock to return for the Buccaneers game. Pass-catching running back Chris Thompson has also missed game action due to injuries.

[riggofan]

Just signed offensive lineman Austin Howard. Guess we still need two or three more?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Just signed offensive lineman Austin Howard. Guess we still need two or three more?

We're going to be signing Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp Howard at this rate.

[SkinsJock]

Not a good place to be ... Doug Williams has a clue about players - dumb and dumber sure don't ... and they're in charge

[El Mexican]

Well, we knew this would happen at one moment during the season.

Let's see if we have some kind of depth this year.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Well, we knew this would happen at one moment during the season.

Let's see if we have some kind of depth this year.

Who has that kind of depth? 2 starting wideouts... Lost our top 2 rbs... AD saved the day after Guice but Thompson has missed time already this season. 2 olinmen out for the year, Trent is still out, Mosses missed plays vs ATL... Gruden almost had to throw a lb in there!

Next man up- but no one has this many next men.

We have to adjust the O and get the ball out quick, play action probably wont work with this patch work line... Maybe aome mis direction plays with players in motion? Does Jay even know what that is?

[El Mexican]

At this juncture, I'm hoping for "three yards and a cloud of dust". Three times in a row.
Maybe a deep bomb once or twice during the game.

Screens are not our forte. We rarely sell them well because we're not a big-play team.
They were for a brief time when Garcon, Crowder and DJax did some kind of blocking downfield.
With our current lineup, not so much.

Hence my opening Joe Bugel reference. I really, REALLY, hope I'm wrong on this one.

[SkinsJock]

These injuries are very hurtful but if this team ends up 5-5 after starting 5-2 with a defense that was ranked in the top 5, things will start to get very interesting here

[riggofan]

These injuries are very hurtful but if this team ends up 5-5 after starting 5-2 with a defense that was ranked in the top 5, things will start to get very interesting here

Yeah, I don't think there is any question. The situation at Fedex Field this year in particular is embarrassing. I don't see Snyder putting it up with it much longer. I don't think 5-5 is going to lead to a mid season house cleaning, but probably at the end of the season.

[welch]

These injuries are very hurtful but if this team ends up 5-5 after starting 5-2 with a defense that was ranked in the top 5, things will start to get very interesting here

Yeah, I don't think there is any question. The situation at Fedex Field this year in particular is embarrassing. I don't see Snyder putting it up with it much longer. I don't think 5-5 is going to lead to a mid season house cleaning, but probably at the end of the season.

Ouch. Maybe if Snyder fired Bruce Allen and kept the rest, but it would be more Snider-ish to fire Gruden and the coaches.

[SkinsJock]

These injuries are very hurtful but if this team ends up 5-5 after starting 5-2 with a defense that was ranked in the top 5, things will start to get very interesting here

Yeah, I don't think there is any question. The situation at Fedex Field this year in particular is embarrassing. I don't see Snyder putting it up with it much longer. I don't think 5-5 is going to lead to a mid season house cleaning, but probably at the end of the season.

Ouch. Maybe if Snyder fired Bruce Allen and kept the rest, but it would be more Snider-ish to fire Gruden and the coaches.

I doubt that Snyder/Allen will want to do anything until after the season as it is not going to be easy to add a quality HC at any time and even more difficult during the season

I hope that Snyder just gets rid of Bruce Allen and brings in a GM - this would give both Jay and the new GM a season to see if they can work well together - I'm not a Jay Gruden fan but until this franchise establishes some better credibility I don't know that we can get someone better

[riggofan]

Ouch. Maybe if Snyder fired Bruce Allen and kept the rest, but it would be more Snider-ish to fire Gruden and the coaches.

Yeah hard to say, man. Its kind of foolish for any of us to believe we have any idea what goes on in Snyder's mind. Under normal circumstances, I would think Allen would be held responsible if the Alex Smith/Kirk Cousins thing ends up looking really bad. But who freaking knows with Snyder??

I sort of disagree with SkinsJock that the team wouldn't be able to hire another decent coach if they parted ways with Gruden, but I can't imagine what the hot, splashy move would be. How about with the pieces they've put together on defense bringing Gregg Williams back?

Oh man. Just win.

[SkinsJock]

there's no way of knowing what Snyder is thinking or planning - unfortunately, I think that he likes to surround himself with "yes men" and he heeds their input - I'm not sure many of those guys (if any) have any real clue about the NFL

nobody can predict what Snyder will do - he has made many mistakes and doesn't seem to learn much from them

the franchise is worth more than double what he paid and he's loving that

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

there's no way of knowing what Snyder is thinking or planning - unfortunately, I think that he likes to surround himself with "yes men" and he heeds their input - I'm not sure many of those guys (if any) have any real clue about the NFL

nobody can predict what Snyder will do - he has made many mistakes and doesn't seem to learn much from them

the franchise is worth more than double what he paid and he's loving that

Are you paying any attention to anything other than the games? Brian Lafemina is not a "yes" man by any stretch of the imagination. He's the reason the team finally admitted it no longer has a season ticket waiting list. He's the reason individual game tickets are available. He's the reason Bruce Allen has no involvement in operations. The team also hired Jake Bye, a real marketing strategist, instead of relying on the brand selling because it's the Redskins. Snyder is changing how he conducts business. That tells us he's thinking what he has been doing isn't working.

[welch]

As best I remember, the Post suggested that LaFemina had been sent from NFL HQ to drag the Redskins out of the mud. The league is concerned that Washington, one of the biggest and oldest and most important franchises, had sunk to the bottom. LaF was instructed to teach the Redskins how to be a modern business. NFL worried that Snyder has driven away much of the Redskin fan-base. The other pro teams in Washington are well run (Nats and Caps) or at least adequately run (Wizards).

[welch]

Injuries today (so far):

- Washington Redskins tackle Ty Nsekhe injured his ankle against the Buccaneers

So says NFL.com. Can that be all?

[welch]

Yes, seems all. Nsekhe returned to game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... 4f71fc6aa8

Tackle Ty Nsekhe went down with what was announced as an ankle injury in the second half, lying for a few minutes near the bench as trainers worked on his leg. His replacement, Geron Christian, came off the field a few snaps later, and Nsekhe went back into the game. Later, the team said Christian had a knee injury. But neither player seemed to have suffered significant harm.

[riggofan]

lol. Unbelievable...

Brian Mitchell
‏Verified account @BMitchliveNBCS
21m21 minutes ago

Redskin’s Geron Christian is out for the year with a torn MCL!!!!

Man how long until Trent gets back???

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Gtfoh!
Does Jays system rely to much on mobility instead of immovable?? This is becoming ridiculous

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Every team has injuries. The Redskins scored sixteen points against a team that gives up 39 points a game this season.

Jay Gruden's offense is garbage and he refuses to adjust.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Nah man... Most teams arent dealing with missing half of the starters on O.. But i get it... NFL no excuses

[riggofan]

Every team has injuries. The Redskins scored sixteen points against a team that gives up 39 points a game this season.

Jay Gruden's offense is garbage and he refuses to adjust.

What adjustment would you have him make? Serious question. I think the offense had opportunity to score more than 16 points Sunday. i.e. Missing a wide open Vernon Davis on a GREAT play call. That should have been an easy TD.

Not defending it exactly, but I'm not sure I buy the idea that the offense is just "garbage". Cousins put up 4000+ yards and 27 TDs in the same offense last year.

I'm honestly not sure what the answer is on the offense, but seems like its probably a combination of a lot of things. Alex Smith's style of QB play, lack of dynamic player at WR, injuries and yeah Gruden's conservative, ball control game plans.

I would just add this. Watching Mike Evans at WR on Sunday, it wasn't hard to see why the Bucs are a top 3 offense. That guy is an impact player.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Every team has injuries. The Redskins scored sixteen points against a team that gives up 39 points a game this season.

Jay Gruden's offense is garbage and he refuses to adjust.

What adjustment would you have him make? Serious question. I think the offense had opportunity to score more than 16 points Sunday. i.e. Missing a wide open Vernon Davis on a GREAT play call. That should have been an easy TD.

Not defending it exactly, but I'm not sure I buy the idea that the offense is just "garbage". Cousins put up 4000+ yards and 27 TDs in the same offense last year.

I'm honestly not sure what the answer is on the offense, but seems like its probably a combination of a lot of things. Alex Smith's style of QB play, lack of dynamic player at WR, injuries and yeah Gruden's conservative, ball control game plans.

I would just add this. Watching Mike Evans at WR on Sunday, it wasn't hard to see why the Bucs are a top 3 offense. That guy is an impact player.

It's easy to excuse an anemic offense when the team is "missing half of the starters on O", as was just pointed out. The team hasn't been missing half of the starters on offense the entire season. We're nine games into the season. The team has scored 30 points once. It hasn't scored more than 24 in any other game this season. Since the bye week the team has averaged 18.6 points a game. With Adrian Peterson, Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis, Josh Doctson, Maurice Harris, Michael Floyd and a few others all healthy or mostly healthy the entire time. I'm not buying this B.S. that the loss of Guice, Thompson, Crowder or any offensive lineman is an excuse. Whatever it is the team is doing in the passing game is not the strength of Alex Smith. They could have let Colt McCoy do what Smith is doing. He would probably do it better. It's more his game. You go out and get a top deep ball passer and then you dink and dunk and call the same predictable plays every down. Opposing teams load the box because they know you're not going to beat them over the top. You're not even trying. That negates the rushing game. Gruden watches this every week and changes nothing. He's either a victim of the team's record or a victim of his own ego. This offense isn't beating good teams and the defense, which has been playing its ass off, cannot be expected to keep the team in every game where the offense does jack *sh$t*. The difference between Tampa Bay and Washington is that Tampa Bay isn't afraid to make a mistake while trying to make a play. Gruden acts like turning the ball over is a death knell to every game. It is to a team that can't put up points. To paraphrase Wayne Greztky, you don't make 100% of the plays you don't attempt. Now that the offensive line is decimated maybe I buy the not holding the ball for a seven step drop. But for the first seven weeks of the season it wasn't decimated. And there was Gruden with his five to seven yard passing plays. Screens and hitches and button hooks. Hitches and screens and button hooks. No curls. No drags. No slants. No go routes. Nothing that backs up the safeties or freezes the linebackers. It's as though those passing routes don't exist in Gruden's world. His offense is so easy to defend teams don't have to put anything into it.