Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh Johnson

[riggofan]

With "fans" like these who needs enemies. What tells me all I need to know is how certain people are always the first to jump on the bitching bandwagon but never around when the team is performing well or winning games no one expects them to win. Not a single *f$ck* peep out of these "fans" for the last three weeks, all of which were wins, but now we hear from them.

*f$ck* off. You're not fans.

What this guy said.

[riggofan]

it's simple - we're a 5-2 team playing at home and we're on a 3 game win streak ... the oddsmakers 'opened' at 3 went to 1.5 and on Sunday were back at 2.5 - a lot of people that don't care about the Redskins thought that they were going to win

Come on, man. -1.5 for the home team? The Chiefs are -16 vs. the Cardinals this week. Those are the odds you get when Vegas thinks the team is "going to win".

Seriously, how many of you honestly believed going into this weekend that we were a lock to win that game?

[Sonny9TD]

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/8/26/ ... ot-anymore

Here is Howard our new lineman. Check out the video where Boeke is the author or tweeter or whatever and you will see this is not the answer.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/8/26/17783524/austin-howard-used-to-be-an-nfl-caliber-tackle-not-anymore

Here is Howard our new lineman. Check out the video where Boeke is the author or tweeter or whatever and you will see this is not the answer.

There's a reason the players being signed are off the street. The better players are already on rosters. I'm not sure what you expect.

[riggofan]

Actually signed three guys yesterday:

G Luke Bowanko
G John Cooper
T Austin Howard

It would be crazy to have high expectations for any of them, but overall I liked the signings for at least not being old, over the hill guys. Here's what riggosrag said:

All three players signed by Washington have starting experience, to varying degrees. Bowanko was drafted by the Jacksonville Jaguars in the sixth round of the 2014 NFL Draft and started fourteen games his rookie year. In the two following years, however, Bowanko only played in seven more before moving to Baltimore, where he played sixteen games, starting one, in 2017. He was also Morgan Moses’ team mate in college.

Jonathan Cooper was drafted in the top ten, acquired by the Arizona Cardinals at No. 7 overall in the 2013 NFL Draft. Since then, Cooper’s had year-long stints with Cleveland and Dallas. He started 13 games for Dallas last year, and at 28 years old, he should be good insurance for Washington.

Austin Howard is the team’s oldest signing, nearing 32 years of age. Howard was a longtime starter in the NFL, but after starting at right tackle for the Ravens last year, he was released by the team, and picked up by the Colts, who cut him after an uninspiring preseason. Howard will now have to prove he belongs once again. He brings experience, if nothing else.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Cooper is one guy I never expected to be on the street. He was a top ten pick five years ago. I think I remember hoping the Skins would draft him since they had two studs named Lichtensteiger and Chester at guard that season.

[riggofan]

Is what it is, I guess. Tampa isn't the scariest team in the league, but they've shown they can score points. Going to suck if we get into another shootout with a line that has been together for three days.

Vegas has us +3, so at least we're not expected to win the game or anything...

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Is what it is, I guess. Tampa isn't the scariest team in the league, but they've shown they can score points. Going to suck if we get into another shootout with a line that has been together for three days.

Vegas has us +3, so at least we're not expected to win the game or anything...

Yea, because we all know Vegas sets the odds based on who will win the game and not based on making money for the House.

[riggofan]

Yea, because we all know Vegas sets the odds based on who will win the game and not based on making money for the House.

I hope my snark wasn't lost on you.

[SkinsJock]

it's simple - we're a 5-2 team playing at home and we're on a 3 game win streak ... the oddsmakers 'opened' at 3 went to 1.5 and on Sunday were back at 2.5 - a lot of people that don't care about the Redskins thought that they were going to win

Come on, man. -1.5 for the home team? The Chiefs are -16 vs. the Cardinals this week. Those are the odds you get when Vegas thinks the team is "going to win". Seriously, how many of you honestly believed going into this weekend that we were a lock to win that game?

I can't remember a game that the Redskins were a lock to win - certainly not since 1999

The Redskins are a mediocre franchise and have been for some time - even at 5-2 we are not good enough to ever be confident of a win - we don't often win games we should win and very rarely do we find a way to win games against better teams - this game this week is another game that we should win

we were at 5-2 and now we're at 5-3 - that's a lot better than anyone here expected
maybe we can continue to get lucky and win another 4 or 5 games - we were never good enough to win 9 or 10 games

while some here don't agree - the mediocrity will continue until we have better management

it's not the players or the coaches - it's the guys that decide who those players and coaches are

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Yea, because we all know Vegas sets the odds based on who will win the game and not based on making money for the House.

I hope my snark wasn't lost on you.

Not at all. I understood to whom that was directed.

[SkinsJock]

The Vegas odds are only an indication - the Redskins offense should have had a much better game against that Falcons defense

this week our defense is up against a good offense but Tampa has a terrible defense

even before the injuries, outside of AP we don't have much of an offense and last week we only gave him the ball 9 times

[SkinsJock]

Is what it is, I guess. Tampa isn't the scariest team in the league, but they've shown they can score points. Going to suck if we get into another shootout with a line that has been together for three days. Vegas has us +3, so at least we're not expected to win the game or anything

The Buccaneers are a 3-5 team - 2-1 at home - they have scored 229 and given up 275 - we're 160 for and 172 against

the better defense normally wins games ... but, not when you're offense is struggling ... I guess

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

The Vegas odds are only an indication - the Redskins offense should have had a much better game against that Falcons defense

this week our defense is up against a good offense but Tampa has a terrible defense

even before the injuries, outside of AP we don't have much of an offense and last week we only gave him the ball 9 times

Based upon what should the Skins offense have had a better game? They've scored enough points to be in that Atlanta game one time all season.

[Sonny9TD]

Better than that

pic.twitter.com/3UayKGyAhH

Im not expecting this. Is this what you expect? Guaranteed there are a thousand people better than that playing football or sitting on their couch. Yeah I expect better than that. Shouldn't everybody? Maybe he mauled the guy on all the other plays.

[riggofan]

The Redskins are a mediocre franchise and have been for some time - even at 5-2 we are not good enough to ever be confident of a win

Totally agree. I was driving behind a guy this morning who had a cool Redskins badge on his car, and I thought about how that's kind of a sad thing around here now. Like being the last bunch still going to see the 0-16 Browns.

this game this week is another game that we should win

I don't agree with that at all. Why *should* we win it? The Bucs are okay, capable of scoring a lot of points. We just lost 60% of our starting offensive line, have a weak passing game, and we're coming off a big loss to Atlanta. What in the world about our situation screams that we are the better team going into Sunday?

[riggofan]

the better defense normally wins games ... but, not when you're offense is struggling ... I guess

Yeah I don't know what to make of that. The Bucs defense is bad this year for sure. It would be great if we can just pound AP and keep their offense off the field. But god only knows who is going to start on the o-line Sunday and how effective they're going to be. The Bucs sure aren't going to worry much about getting beat in the air.

I like the way this team has responded to losses so far this year though. I think they'll find a way to get it done Sunday.

[SkinsJock]

keep in mind - this is an optimistic thread

personally I don't gamble at all (I don't even waste money on buying lottery tickets) and have little to no faith in betting lines, I used the "line" only as a guide to show that we were favored by the idiots who gamble

last week going up against a 3-4 unit we were 'favored' to win and did not - this week things might be better because a 'weaker' team IMO is favored to beat us - Tampa has a good offense and a terrible defense - the Redskins strength is their defense and the offense while in terrible shape has actually got a pretty good RB in Peterson

before the Falcons game we were 5-2 with a pretty good defense and for the most part, an ineffective offense - this week all we need is for the defense to hold a good Tampa offense in check and for the battered offense to just be as ineffective as they were in getting us to 5-2 - is that too much to ask?

wouldn't it be great if the offensive coaching staff figured out a way to just score enough points to win against a horrid Tampa defense

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I just hope the leaders on this team step up and rally the troops... Win or lose i want to see max effort and the desire to be the best. I can deal with a loss and no playoffs... If we can stay competitive and play with hunger.

2 division wins is already progress.. Sweep dullass and nyg and its a good season!

[riggofan]

wouldn't it be great if the offensive coaching staff figured out a way to just score enough points to win against a horrid Tampa defense

Offensive coaching staff isn't going to be out there blocking, running or passing. Players win games.

[SkinsJock]

wouldn't it be great if the offensive coaching staff figured out a way to just score enough points to win against a horrid Tampa defense

Offensive coaching staff isn't going to be out there blocking, running or passing. Players win games.

The HC has to bear part of the blame for what has happened or not happened offensively
the play of our QB and the offensive play calling by Jay Gruden need to be a lot better for us to have any chance on Sunday - somehow we got to 5-2
SPECIFICALLY - Alex Smith & Jay Gruden have not had a lot of good things going for them over the first 8 games, they both need to do better

[SkinsJock]

These next 2 games are really important - we were 5-2 with a very good defense and a QB that was not playing as well as he should - Alex Smith has a QB rating under Eli Manning, Brock Ossweiler and Ryan Tannehill for crying out loud

to lose 3 games against teams that are not considered to be really good will not be good, even when you factor in the injuries

hopefully, everybody makes a huge effort - we need it

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Lmmfao if you think ATL isnt that good... The Colts game is the only one we "should've" won.

I wont be surprised if we drop the next one... TB has Fitzmagic and Djac and Evans... They routinely put up 30+ a game. Last 2 times we played a team that scores a bunch and has a "weak d" we got routed.
Add injuries and the recipe for Fitzmagic to beat us is there. And it isnt the coach or owners fault. We've lost SEVEN STARTERS ON OFFENSE! Silver back, The Sheriff, Louvau, Guice!!!, our best player last year CT, muh boy Jamison, PRich.. Mosses is banged up at best.. AD, tho a savage has at least a bum knee and shoulder.. Didnt Roulier get the gig due to an injury? Like comeon man everyone is a back up with AS learning the system with new guys each week. There are excuses and facts.. We won however many games last year in spite of Kirk.. AS hasnt won many but he's lost much less!

1-6 vs the cow *sh$t*
Loss to the 2 win vagynts with 3 picks no tds to miss the playoffs.

At least we arent THAT TEAM.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Its so funny how polar opposites we are in thought and expectations... Every year I predict 19-0... Every year your "optimistic" for 7 or so wins. Then in real life I legit expect to lose each and every week. Worst team ever looking for first win? We got you. Need to break a record? Hold my beer... Playoffs? Nah fam you first... But I maintain hope and want to see incremental improvements. From trash to now is hard to do fast- yet you say how bad we are owned and project mediocrity, then expect excellence. Like you set your self up for heart break every week we lose- Cle can beat us... NYG probably will next time.. Being such an advocate for change, why cant you change? DS will sell when we are grey and old... The 80's are gone... Enjoy what you can- lest more fans demand change and we end up with jhabba the hut chip kelley next year!!!


Weed is legal in CO brother, move on down!

[riggofan]

The HC has to bear part of the blame for what has happened or not happened offensively
the play of our QB and the offensive play calling by Jay Gruden need to be a lot better for us to have any chance on Sunday - somehow we got to 5-2
SPECIFICALLY - Alex Smith & Jay Gruden have not had a lot of good things going for them over the first 8 games, they both need to do better

Of course the HC ultimately bears responsibility for what happens with his team. But *somehow* we got to 5-2? Do you honestly believe that the offensive line starting Ty Nsekhe and two guys yet to be named is going to be the same as the offensive line starting Trent Williams and Brandon Scherff? They have a much bigger challenge to overcome after these injuries.

Yes, Gruden needs to call a good game and you're 1000% correct that Alex Smith needs to play better. Personally though, I'm not going to be looking to see if Gruden can call a surprise flea flicker or something. I want to see if this patchwork o-line can protect the QB and keep AP rolling. Not giving up 140+ yards in penalties would be a help too!!!

On the good news front, I saw that Crowder and Trey Quinn were both practicing this week. We can definitely use the help! I think Cam Simms might be coming back soon too.