Redskins' Off Season - more of the same, or ...

[SkinsJock]

This FO has not made many good decisions over recent years - including how they handled Kirk Cousins - IMO Kirk Cousins is not a great NFL QB but he's proven to be at least a good NFL QB and should have been treated accordingly - his value now is not as much because of his play as because of who else is available - that's how it works and more power to him, hopefully we don't pay him the current market value ... but, given who is making decisions here, anything is possible and it will most likely be a bad decision

the problem here is simply that the guys in charge don't know what they're doing and refuse to accept they are the ones responsible

after all we've seen happen here - it's very difficult for me to believe that these idiots are going to start making good decisions about who plays and coaches here - the old BS about the guys at the top not making tackles and not making bad decisions on the field is just STUPID - well managed companies perform better (no matter how great a staff is employed by the company) because of the decisions the management make and how those decisions help the staff do their jobs better

this franchise has no leadership and the guys in charge have zero respect from the players and coaches

achieving mediocre results is actually a testament to the players and coaches overcoming the horrible job by the FO and the owner

[welch]

While Redskins fixate on quarterback future, here’s their history of wide receiver issues


By Thomas Boswell Columnist January 26 at 2:25 PM

Since 1992, the Washington Redskins have had many problems as they’ve sunk to the eighth-worst record in the NFL over the past 26 years.

But few problems have been worse than one that barely has been noticed: The Redskins’ utter inability in all that time to draft a single high-quality wide receiver while spending 25 picks, including five first-rounders, on that position.

In all that time, no NFL team has used more first-round picks on wide receivers. Yet Washington is dead last in the NFL among all teams that existed in ’92 at drafting productive wideouts. The scale of this ineptitude is staggering. During this long dreary era, the team has “spotted” its foes tens of thousands of yards apiece — and some teams more than 30,000 yards — over those 26 years.

It is revealing that the men with the largest decision-making responsibilities at Redskins Park — owner Daniel Snyder, current team president for the last eight years Bruce Allen, and former general manager Vinny Cerrato — have never shown that they even knew this problem existed much less studied how to fix it.

Let’s try to focus our minds quickly on the size of this hideous issue. The five best wide receivers picked by the Redskins since ’92 have been: Michael Westbrook (4,374 career receiving yards), Rod Gardner, Albert Connell, Jamison Crowder and Desmond Howard. In their careers, they gained roughly 14,000 receiving yards combined (only Crowder is still active).

In those same drafts, the Indianapolis Colts used just 16 picks on wide receivers. But their five best picks gained almost 50,000 yards in their careers.

Colts: 49,611. Redskins: 14,050. Let that sink in.

Full story at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... d7869cc3ec

[SkinsJock]

^^ as the article points out, this is what happens when you have guys like Dan, Vinnie and Bruce having a lot of input

the guys in charge have really done a terrible job managing this franchise and have actually hurt this franchise with their decisions on who plays and coaches here

I remember hoping things might get better - I'm over that - we know what to expect - MORE of THE SAME

[welch]

^^ as the article points out, this is what happens when you have guys like Dan, Vinnie and Bruce having a lot of input

the guys in charge have really done a terrible job managing this franchise and have actually hurt this franchise with their decisions on who plays and coaches here

I remember hoping things might get better - I'm over that - we know what to expect - MORE of THE SAME

More of the same...or worse?

Ok, maybe trading Dunbar and a third to sign Smith for $70 million guaranteed might be about as bad as we expect from Dan / Vinnie / Bruce. Ah, if only the Redskins had replaced Brad Johnson with a great passer, someone like Jeff George...

[fabe]

In the first 49 Super Bowls, the winner had the #1 defense in the league over 28% of the time.

The winner had a top 3 defense over half the time.

The winner had a top 10 defense 42 of 49 times.

Making up for a so so defense with a great QB is VERY RARE. I can even argue IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED !!!

New England Patriots over the past few years.

[SkinsJock]

In the first 49 Super Bowls, the winner had the #1 defense in the league over 28% of the time.

The winner had a top 3 defense over half the time.

The winner had a top 10 defense 42 of 49 times.

Making up for a so so defense with a great QB is VERY RARE. I can even argue IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED !!!

New England Patriots over the past few years.

really? maybe you're another Patriots hater - you certainly don't know much about the Patriots D ...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/defe ... t-dynasty/

When we think of this Patriots dynasty as the greatest of all time – and apologies to fans of the Dallas Cowboys and the San Francisco 49ers, the Green Bay Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers, but it's no longer even a question – the thoughts tend to go toward the brilliance of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, and how that relationship has been the single key. And that's true. But I'm not sure, based purely on skill set, that Brady is a demonstrably better quarterback than, say, Aaron Rodgers. And yet Rodgers' run with the Packers has been stunted through an inconsistent at best, and often awful, defense, while Brady's run with the Patriots has been propped up by the longest run of consistent defense in NFL history. It's the most underrated part of this Patriots run. Perhaps it will end with defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, who has worked with Patriots defensive players for more than a decade, departing the franchise.

[SkinsJock]

I'm with Darth and welch - I hope that we get some guys in the FO that understand how to build a franchise and especially find a way to put together a decent defense here

I understand that we have a huge issue with QB but to trade away a very young, high character, really good CB is just really dumb

[welch]

This team is not ready to win the NFC East. Seems to be a 7-9 or, at most, a 9-7 team. 2018 would have been a time to tank, get even better draft choices, and fly.

[SkinsJock]

This team is not ready to win the NFC East. Seems to be a 7-9 or, at most, a 9-7 team. 2018 would have been a time to tank, get even better draft choices, and fly.

that's the reality here - each off season we get our hopes up ... we like to evaluate and speculate what might happen without any regard for who is making the decisions here and how for the most part those decisions have been the reason that, since 1999, this franchise has been mediocre at best with some good seasons but certainly not much hope of having a consistently competitive team with these 2 bozos in charge

even the blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then but this FO has proven to be even worse than that

Redskins fans have gotten used to getting their hopes up and then watching the inevitable take place

[SkinsJock]

The fun part about speculating & predicting what this franchise needs is that even the dumbest fan here has more of a clue about what to do than the 2 guys who are actually making the decisions for the Redskins

[DarthMonk]

In the first 49 Super Bowls, the winner had the #1 defense in the league over 28% of the time.

The winner had a top 3 defense over half the time.

The winner had a top 10 defense 42 of 49 times.

Making up for a so so defense with a great QB is VERY RARE. I can even argue IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED !!!

New England Patriots over the past few years.

In the last two seasons the Pats were 2nd and 7th in points against.

So your example of Brady over the past few years is not even close.

[SkinsJock]

it's really simple - Dan Snyder just needs to stop interfering with the guys that know how to manage, build and coach an NFL franchise

JP Finlay of NBC Washington believes Washington will be a player for WR Allen Robinson and, honestly, it wouldn't be hard to see the Redskins grabbing a bunch of nice new weapons for their new quarterback and then issuing a press release about how happy they are to surround Alex Smith with talent, just to spite Kirk Cousins.

what's that all about? now we're doing things just to spite an ex player - that's the sort or respect this franchise has?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

it's really simple - Dan Snyder just needs to stop interfering with the guys that know how to manage, build and coach an NFL franchise

What team are you talking about? The Redskins don't have any "guys that know how to manage, build and coach an NFL franchise."

They have Bruce Allen, Jay Gruden, a terrible scouting department, and a garbage roster.

[SkinsJock]

... The Redskins don't have any "guys that know how to manage, build and coach an NFL franchise."

They have Bruce Allen, Jay Gruden, a terrible scouting department, and a garbage roster.

the main issue is that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen have proven they do not know what they're doing - Since Dan Snyder took over here things have just been terrible - Dan just does not seem to want to learn from his mistakes & turn things over to people who know what they're doing

Dan Snyder needs to get rid of Bruce Allen, he's been here too long and nothing much has changed - then Dan should hire someone to do whatever is needed to fix this mess - if that person doesn't get it done, get rid of him and bring in someone else

[SkinsJock]

I doubt that the Redskins are going to become a viable franchise if we continue as we have done the past 10 years

Dan Snyder needs to make some dramatic changes soon or we're going to be wishing and hoping through another season

[El Mexican]

Bolster the trenches. If you don't start there, it's another 6-10 effort at the most.

[SkinsJock]

we can add a bunch of pro bowlers and the w/l record will not change much - nobody in charge that knows how to build a roster

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Getting out from Kirks contract number was vert smart.. Add some wideout depth and a solid RB... And a healthy D and we are fighting again.

AK hasnt dropped a record vs rivals like Kirk Gross man- 1and six vs the pukes folks- live that and tell me we messed up! Bye felicia

[SkinsJock]

Getting out from Kirks contract number was vert smart.. Add some wideout depth and a solid RB... And a healthy D and we are fighting again.

AK hasnt dropped a record vs rivals like Kirk Grossman- 1 and six vs the pukes folks- live that and tell me we messed up! Bye felicia

I'll go with this too - good post ckRG

[welch]

From Boswell's Q&A on Monday:

Question: What do you think it will take to get into contention in the NFC East? Especially now with arguably the best team in football, the Eagles, in our division.

Boswell: I think a better question would be: What will it take for the Skins to get to 8-8 (or 9-7) without Cousins and whomever else they lose in free agency?

We are about to find out how much damage the Skins did to themselves with the terrible optics of the twin departures of Cousins this year and ex-GM Scot McCloughan after ’16. How big will the effect be of: “OMG, don’t go to Washington. Cousins was the only thing that prevented it from being obvious that they’re still an organizational mess.” The issue is: How are they PERCEIVED by free agents, rather than What Are They Really?

Are they going to have another free agent class with bottom-of-the-barrel players like Terrelle Pryor, who looked like the beneficiary of inflated stats in his barely-1,000-yard season in Cleveland in ’16?

The Skins have so many needs. I assume they’ll re-sign LB Zach Brown because they MUST. But if he gets away, it could be a save-face free agency period. The Skins have had those in their bad-image periods in the past. Though the team always cranks up its PR efforts to make whatever players it got seem better than they are.

Alex Smith was a wonderful salvage trade, but losing both Cousins and a high-quality player and person in Kendall Fuller will hurt. Is [Bashaud] Breeland coming back?

Getting Smith means that [Jay] Gruden’s offensive theories will get a fair chance to continue being productive. But can Smith show the quick release and precision passing to make this weak corps of receivers (and no first-and-second-down RB) look decent? Smith has always been asked to be a 3,000-yard-plus QB, not a 4,000-yard-plus QB. He was surrounded by wonderful weapons in KC last season. It’s very doubtful he’ll have anything remotely similar in ’18.

Good news: Skins got Smith and can’t possibly get hurt as much in ’18 as they were in ’17. Bad news: They need a RB, a WR and at least one of everything for each defensive unit — line, LBs and DBs.

[SkinsJock]

Getting Smith is a plus and WR Richardson is an OK move - I doubt that Pryor is playing here; Fuller is gone and I think Breeland will be elsewhere also ... we need people in charge that can put a good scouting department together and know how to assemble an NFL roster

there's a good reason this franchise has such a terrible reputation - until we do things differently we should not expect things to get better

THANK GOD we DID NOT PAY COUSINS any more than we already have - HE's NOT WORTH IT

[fredp45]

I read the posts on this thread and it's hard to tell how many posters are really Skins fans...I'd say -- if you aren't happy, why Post? Why not root for another team? Root for the Eagles, the Pats, the Cowboys...

I am not a fan of Danny but feel he has stepped away from player personnel moves over the past few years. Look at the moves we've made the past few years. We have not overspent for FAs and "big name" guys. We did some one year deals and have been building our team via the draft. Our four set OL are all draft picks. Our DLine has some free agent signings but our two best are draft picks. Our two WRs (before today) are picks, our best TE is a pick.

You can say we're a 7-9 team and I can't argue with that but look at or roster at the end of the year...ridiculous. We were using OL who barely could play in the Canadian FL. We had one of the tougher schedules, with more injuries than most teams and we were 3-4 mins away (Saints game) from being 8-8.

Adding Richardson and a CB in FA. Pick a DL/ILB in first and Rb in second, with depth picks in round 4-7 and I think we're going to be a 10 win team -- assuming normal number of injuries. If we are wiped out, all bets are off.

Our cap isn't a disaster -- someone is managing that pretty well.

If we get a quality DL and RB in draft, I see our team being considerably better this year than at the end of last year.

[welch]

I read the posts on this thread and it's hard to tell how many posters are really Skins fans...I'd say -- if you aren't happy, why Post? Why not root for another team? Root for the Eagles, the Pats, the Cowboys...

I've been a Redskin fan since 1953, when I was just old enough to know that we had a team. People are born Redskin fans. We don't choose, and who becomes a fan of a team by looking at who is really good??

I remember George Preston Marshall all too well. Dan Snyder is just as bad as GPM, and seems to despise Redskin fans just as deeply.

[SkinsJock]

I don't care what anyone thinks about my status as a Redskins fan - I know how much of a fan I am and have been since 1972

I do not like the way this franchise is managed and screwed up by this owner - I used to look forward to each season - hoping that the results would be good, based on the talent level and the coaching - now we all know that under Dan Snyder's leadership and guidance we are going to hopefully win 8 games a season - winning 9 or 10 games is a dream season - Dan Snyder has never won 11 games

I always want the Redskins to win each and every game - I accept that we're not going to be a consistently good franchise while this idiot owner manages this franchise the way he does instead of realizing that he's just the owner and he does not know what he's doing

I don't like the way it is but I'm done with kidding myself that things could get better here if we just got this player or made a coaching change
this franchise is mediocre at best and it will continue to be so until Dan Snyder stops doing what he's doing - it is what it is

HTTR

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Grant and Breeland out.. Richardson in.

Hope we can keep Brown