Alex Smith traded to Washington

[TexasCowboy]

Keenum and Bortles led their teams to the conference title game this past season, a qb change isn't coming just yet, Now, AZ, maybe Denver and the Jets I can see as realistic landing spots for Cousins Bridgewater might want to see if he can be a starter elsewhere, there are grumblings Eli wants out of NY and Kaep is still out
there waiting for someone to take a chance on him

just not sure where else he can go? oh wait yes I do to a roster that needs a backup qb if he wants the job

[DEHog]

Keenum and Bortles led their teams to the conference title game this past season, a qb change isn't coming just yet, Now, AZ, maybe Denver and the Jets I can see as realistic landing spots for Cousins Bridgewater might want to see if he can be a starter elsewhere, there are grumblings Eli wants out of NY and Kaep is still out
there waiting for someone to take a chance on him

just not sure where else he can go? oh wait yes I do to a roster that needs a backup qb if he wants the job

So you're on record saying Kirk will be a backup next year?

[El Mexican]

Denver would be the most logical landing spot. A good QB can take them to the next level.

[DarthMonk]

Um KC got a starting CB, a 3rd, and cleared 17 mil in cap space! If Mahomes doesn't workout Reid can always trade him to the Skins!!
As for Kirk being a backup....

You mean starting QB not CB, yes they may have got an extra 3rd rd pick I just want to know who this mysterious superman is that they got to replace Smith as
the starter? Now, as for Cousins? his only legit shot at being a starter is in Cleveland, if I am his agent I avoid it like the plaque, No matter how much $$$$ they
throw at me. seems the jobs at starters is pretty full, so if it comes down to keeping your job in the NFL or seeking employment in the CFL

his best bet is to be a backup somewhere and I know a roster that needs 1 bad

Wrong yet again.

You often seem confused about who plays what position.

We got the QB, KC got the CB.

[Redskin in Canada]

Snyder and Maquiavelli Allen are HOPELESS!!!! Dumb and dumber are back at it. Giving away your best young corner with great character and work ethics for a guy who MAY last a season maybe two?????

They OVERPAID. Badly.

http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/red ... paid-do-so

Why? They see the world as a MARKETING CAMPAIGN to get the crowd excited with a well known brand name ... in another offseason ... yet again.

I mean ... I am at the point of even not caring about the Draft because they will squander their chances. They already gave away the third round pick.

Can anybody, even the worst homer still fall for the same trap ... yet again???

[fabe]

Now, as for Cousins? his only legit shot at being a starter is in Cleveland, if I am his agent I avoid it like the plaque, No matter how much $$$$ they throw at me. seems the jobs at starters is pretty full, so if it comes down to keeping your job in the NFL or seeking employment in the CFL

his best bet is to be a backup somewhere and I know a roster that needs 1 bad

Cousins is a top 10 QB in the league right now (low end, like #10 or 9). No way he plays backup.

[DarthMonk]

Nobody with any sense, thinks this was a good deal for the Redskins ... given who is making the decisions here, it's really no surprise either

I'm glad we have a good NFL QB but losing a young, really good CB, is just really dumb

I'm glad they brought in a good QB but why did we have to lose a really good, very young player at a very important position - STUPID

Maybe we can make up for it with a sign and trade w Denver.

I was hoping that as well but after reading this its not going to happen...

Cousins is not under contract to the Redskins for the 2018 season, so he can’t be traded like Smith, who was signed through the 2018 season, was. So as the situation stands right now that is a non-starter. As was discussed over the past days, the only way the Redskins could trade Cousins would be to apply either the franchise tag or the transition tag and have him sign it. That would put Cousins under contract to the Redskins for one year and they could have worked out a deal with another team.
But part of the problem is money. The Redskins will have about $35 million in salary cap space after Smith’s $17 million cap number factors into the equation. The tags go against the cap immediately so the $35 million for the franchise tag or the $29 million for transition tag would have created a cap squeeze. For example, they would have been unable to use any cap space to lock up their own free agents, players like Zach Brown.
The cap hit would go away after a trade was executed but even so there is another major sticking point. Any sign and trade deal would require Cousins’ cooperation and he now has no incentive to cooperate. He might have gone along with it to ensure that he got to a new destination this year. If he didn’t cooperate, he could have remained in Washington on a tag for a third straight year.
But now, the threat of forcing Cousins to spend another year in limbo is off the table. If they did tag Cousins, he could simply sign the tag and say he’s looking forward to offseason workouts. That would put the Redskins in a sticky situation with both Smith and Cousins under contract.
On top of that, why would Cousins agree to a trade, something that would take players and/or draft picks away from the team he is about to join? There were a lot of obstacles to executing a tag and trade before the Smith trade. After the deal, they become insurmountable. The Redskins will have to settle for the 2019 third-round compensatory pick they will get when Cousins signs with a new team.

I understand that Cousins is not currently under contract for the 2018 season.

Nevertheless is there some rule that explicitly prevents the Redskins and Cousins from agreeing to a multi year deal with the understanding that he would then be traded to someone else who would also be in on the negotiation?

[SkinsJock]

I understand that Cousins is not currently under contract for the 2018 season. Nevertheless, is there some rule that explicitly prevents the Redskins and Cousins from agreeing to a multi year deal with the understanding that he would then be traded to someone else who would also be in on the negotiation?

there is no 'rule' that I know of - but please clarify why on earth Cousins would want to negotiate ANYTHING with Dan and Bruce
and
do you really think that Dan & Bruce have the credibility OR the ability to put something together that Kirk Cousins & his advisors are going to think makes any sense at all?

these 2 bozos are only interested in one thing - trying to make people think that they have some idea about what's going on



despite all the evidence, there are many idiots that will think, there's a chance the Redskins will be in the playoffs - not with these 2 in charge

[welch]

I understand that Cousins is not currently under contract for the 2018 season.

Nevertheless is there some rule that explicitly prevents the Redskins and Cousins from agreeing to a multi year deal with the understanding that he would then be traded to someone else who would also be in on the negotiation?

There is no rule, but Cousins has no incentive to agree to anything. No reason to include the Redskins in any deal he will sign, and no reason another team would compensate the Redskins. He will be free in a month or two.

Snyder and Allen lost their "game". The first tag was a blunder and the second was self-destructive.

[ferryrich]

If cousins felt he'd been treated with respect by this organization, but knew he had to go for whatever reason, he could 'sign and trade's. With a broken down relationship, he won't do that. Why would he want to take talent away from the team he's going to. He doesn't owe us any favors

[Bishop Hammer]

these 2 bozos are only interested in one thing - trying to make people think that they have some idea about what's going on



despite all the evidence, there are many idiots that will think, there's a chance the Redskins will be in the playoffs - not with these 2 in charge

To quote Heath Ledger's Joker:
https://youtu.be/ppKkYkM0apI

[DarthMonk]

I understand that Cousins is not currently under contract for the 2018 season.

Nevertheless is there some rule that explicitly prevents the Redskins and Cousins from agreeing to a multi year deal with the understanding that he would then be traded to someone else who would also be in on the negotiation?

There is no rule, but Cousins has no incentive to agree to anything. No reason to include the Redskins in any deal he will sign, and no reason another team would compensate the Redskins. He will be free in a month or two.

Snyder and Allen lost their "game". The first tag was a blunder and the second was self-destructive.

I would say that a team that wants him very much would have an incentive in order to attempt to guarantee they get him rather than someone else. Especially if Cousins wanted to be with that team.

Also maybe the biggest reason Cousins would not want to be here is not because of how he has been treated (because after all we’ve paid have a zillion dollars) but rather the fact that we suck and offer no real future for him to succeed.

[SkinsJock]

I understand that Cousins is not currently under contract for the 2018 season. Nevertheless is there some rule that explicitly prevents the Redskins and Cousins from agreeing to a multi year deal with the understanding that he would then be traded to someone else who would also be in on the negotiation?

There is no rule, but Cousins has no incentive to agree to anything. No reason to include the Redskins in any deal he will sign, and no reason another team would compensate the Redskins. He will be free in a month or two. Snyder & Allen lost their "game". The first tag was a blunder, the second was self-destructive.

I would say that a team that wants him very much would have an incentive in order to attempt to guarantee they get him rather than someone else. Especially if Cousins wanted to be with that team.

Also maybe the biggest reason Cousins would not want to be here is not because of how he has been treated (because after all we’ve paid have a zillion dollars) but rather the fact that we suck and offer no real future for him to succeed.

are you implying that there's a possibility that a franchise that really wants Cousins might find a way to get Cousins to work a deal with the Redskins that would ensure they get him?

what have Dan and Bruce EVER done that would make you think that they might be able to pull off something like this?
PLUS
no franchise is ever going to even attempt something as stupid as that

[oj]

The FO and Gruden are true to form. Unbelievable. I try to be optimistic and have a positive outlook, but these three are so far out in space that I just cannot fathom what is going thru their pointy little heads. I think they just needed another scapegoat for a failing season and Alex Smith is just dumb enough to sign on.

[welch]

The FO and Gruden are true to form. Unbelievable. I try to be optimistic and have a positive outlook, but these three are so far out in space that I just cannot fathom what is going thru their pointy little heads. I think they just needed another scapegoat for a failing season and Alex Smith is just dumb enough to sign on.

Snyder & Allen, producers of the 2018 catastrophe comedy, "From Stupidity to Insanity".

Redskins will find themselves in a tricky situation if they tag-and-trade Kirk Cousins

By Kimberley A. Martin February 4 at 10:57 AM

MINNEAPOLIS — The Kirk Cousins-Washington Redskins saga might not be over after all.

The team reportedly has had internal discussions about using the franchise tag on Cousins to trade him and recover some form of compensation that was lost in their acquisition of Kansas City quarterback Alex Smith. But doing so would put Washington’s front office in a tricky situation, with Cousins able to wield some control on the trade process.

By tagging Cousins, who is expected to be the most coveted quarterback in free agency, the Redskins would prevent him from hitting the open market when the new league year opens on March 14. But Washington wouldn’t be able to trade Cousins until he signs the franchise tag, and therein lies the rub.

(Story at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... fbe8d864df)

Cousins would have no incentive to sign the tag until after the draft. Then, Redskins would be over the cap, and what other team would want to take on an extra $34 million for one year of Cousins? In that case, why trade Fuller and a third-round for Smith? Who would Snyder & Allen cut just to keep both Cousins and Smith?

A comic disaster.

[SkinsJock]

^^ THIS - you can't even make this stuff up - it's hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid but these guys keep proving it

it would be kind of fun to hear from those who think like these 2 bozos - talk about grasping at straws

[OldSchool]

I understand that Cousins is not currently under contract for the 2018 season.

Nevertheless is there some rule that explicitly prevents the Redskins and Cousins from agreeing to a multi year deal with the understanding that he would then be traded to someone else who would also be in on the negotiation?

There is no rule, but Cousins has no incentive to agree to anything. No reason to include the Redskins in any deal he will sign, and no reason another team would compensate the Redskins. He will be free in a month or two.

Snyder and Allen lost their "game". The first tag was a blunder and the second was self-destructive.

Amen. The Skins should just cut Cousins loose and focus on preparing for the draft and FA, time to get on with their own future. Time to focus on adding to the roster around Smith and try to make the playoffs.

[DarthMonk]

Tag and trade is a real possibility.

[DEHog]

Tag and trade is a real possibility.

And a real risk...Why would Cousins sign a tag and risk losing players and or draft picks on the team he is going to play for?
If you don't think Cosins know already where he want to play you're crazy, I bet the terms have arelady been worked out...
Allen is making a classic mistake...he's making is personal!

[El Mexican]

Tag and trade is a real possibility.

Honest question here: what if he does not sign the tag? Is he forced to do it, legally?

[Redskin in Canada]

Tag and trade is a real possibility.

... with a very LOW level of probability.

Redskins reportedly considering tagging Kirk Cousins but odds of a deal still slim
http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/red ... still-slim

[markshark84]

but rather the fact that we suck and offer no real future for him to succeed.

That is 100% what it comes down to. Cousins doesn't believe in the organization ---- and he is correct.

If you were in the position Cousins is in, would you want to stay here???? When you can go to about a dozen different teams that want you.... The Redskins franchise has been one big dumpster fire since Snyder stole the team. Constant turnover, controversies, history of meddling...... just a toxic environment. Why would a player FREELY want to be part of that. And ironically enough, Cousins couldn't care less about the money ---- he is using that as an angle to be set free from this organization. After all, he is set for life. Cousins only cares about his legacy --- and he knows that if he wants to win, it won't be here. He has never had any intention of signing here. I always thought as much, but held out hope that perhaps I was wrong or believed that since Cousins was such a stand-up guy he'd apply some type of loyalty to a franchise that treated him like poop.

My instinct is that Cousins is doing what I would have --- reaching out to every team and seeing the situation they currently have and how he would fit into their franchise. Casting a very wide net. Getting as informed as possible. That being said, if Danny boy & Co. want to screw him over, they still can --- and I wouldn't put anything past that weasel......

[Redskin in Canada]

Why would a player FREELY want to be part of that.

Ask Dion Sanders, Archuleta, Hainsworthless, and a long list of expensive and catastrophic failures ...

For the MONEY!

They do not come to become members of a TEAM. They come here to ensure their secure retirement.

Cousins does not need it. He may not be a top 5 QB in this league. But he is a decent person and very good QB who was completely mismanaged by this organization. He does not owe them ANYTHING. He does not want ANYTHING from them either.

[langleyparkjoe]

The FO and Gruden are true to form. Unbelievable. I try to be optimistic and have a positive outlook, but these three are so far out in space that I just cannot fathom what is going thru their pointy little heads. I think they just needed another scapegoat for a failing season and Alex Smith is just dumb enough to sign on.

opti what?

oj come on man, it's our Skins you're talking about, you know better.

[El Mexican]

Why would a player FREELY want to be part of that.

Ask Dion Sanders, Archuleta, Hainsworthless, and a long list of expensive and catastrophic failures ...

For the MONEY!

They do not come to become members of a TEAM. They come here to ensure their secure retirement.

Cousins does not need it. He may not be a top 5 QB in this league. But he is a decent person and very good QB who was completely mismanaged by this organization. He does not owe them ANYTHING. He does not want ANYTHING from them either.

I agree. No doubt about it. I'll rephrase the question I wrote earlier:

a) Why tag him if he does not want to play here anyway?
b) If no suitor comes to terms with us we just eat the cap hit and sit him? (an implode yet again?)

I understand the FO wants to get something out of a posible trade, but this seems ludicrous even for Snyder and Co.

Come March 14, I expect things to get really dirty.