Is This a Touchdown ?

[TexasCowboy]

the link says nothing about the NCAA the link is showing the rule belongs to the NFL

[DarthMonk]

Good Lord read the rule - the first words after the a in 7a require contact by a defender.

I will post both the NFL and NCAA rule side by side so you can see the difference.

Nothing personal but it’s rather shocking you’re not aware of it.

[DEHog]

The rule is bogus and you know it! only a fool goes along with this sham of a illusion but not even your "pals" in the media are buying that it fails to meet, every requiremejnt, of an official catch. small minds going along with the status quo and the funny thing is? they think they know football what a joke

I'm not the one who thinks a RB was playing defense...so yea I think I know football!

[DEHog]

according to the rule when the runner reaches the ground either having been touched or falls on his own runner is ruled down

Wrong again!!!

Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III had his best run of the season on Sunday against Detroit, but that run became one of Griffin’s worst plays of the season when he went into a head-first slide and lost the ball as he hit the ground. Griffin said he doesn’t like the rule that allows the ground to cause a fumble in that situation.

[DarthMonk]

Here is the difference between the NFL and the NCAA with regard to a dead ball. It has been this way for decades. When NCAA players fall down untouched the ball is dead. When an NFL player falls down untouched the ball is not dead and he can get back up and run.

The Differences between NCAA and NFL Rules

How Players are Ruled Down
Perhaps the most glaring difference between the college and pro games is how players are ruled “down”.

In the NFL, a player is down when he is either on the ground and touched by an opposing player or goes to the ground as a result of contact with an opposing player.

In college, a player is down whenever a part of his body other than his feet or hands touches the ground, regardless of whether or not he was touched by an opposing player.

What that means is that if an NFL player falls to the ground without being touched–say after making a diving catch or losing his footing—he can get back up and keep running because the play is still live. In college, he’d be down.

There are some exceptions: in college, the holder on a field goal try is not considered down when he receives the snap even though his knee is on the ground; in the NFL, a quarterback is considered down when he kneels after taking a snap in order to run out the clock.

Your link goes to rule 7a. Here it is. Note the requirement of contact by an opponent.

RULE 7 BALL IN PLAY, DEAD BALL, SCRIMMAGE
SECTION 1 BALL IN PLAY
ARTICLE 1. LIVE BALL. After the ball has been declared ready for play, it becomes a live ball when it is legally snapped or
legally kicked (a free kick or fair catch kick). The ball remains dead if it is snapped or kicked before it is made ready for play.
SECTION 2 DEAD BALL
ARTICLE 1. DEAD BALL DECLARED. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended:
(a) when a runner is contacted by an opponent and touches the ground with any part of his body other than his hands or feet.
The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground. A runner touching the ground with his hands or feet while in
the grasp of an opponent may continue to advance; or
Note: If, after contact by an opponent, any part of a runner’s leg above the ankle or any part of his arm above the wrist
touches the ground, the runner is down.

Here is the corresponding NCAA rule. No contact by a defender is required in college:

Ball Declared Dead
ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle
or declare it dead:
a. When it goes out of bounds other than a kick that scores a field goal after
touching the uprights or crossbar; when a ball carrier is out of bounds;
or when a ball carrier is so held that his forward progress is stopped.
When in question, the ball is dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II).
b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches
the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses
possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his
body, except his hand or foot

This difference cannot be argued. It has existed for decades and I have never met an adult football fan who was unaware of the difference.

Also, like it or not, both the NCAA and the NFL require a receiver to maintain control of the ball throughout impact with the ground and this requirement is not mitigated by a knee or some other body part hitting the ground on the way to the ground.

Thus, James IS NOT DOWN when his knee hits at the one. This is super obvious in the NFL as he has not been touched yet. It is also the case in college since his failure to maintain control of the ball throughout impact with the ground results in an incomplete pass as opposed to a dead ball at the one.

[TexasCowboy]

fails to matter what way he went in, as long as he secures the pass without excessive movement
and makes contact with the ground, without the ball coming free prior to reaching the ground then it is a catch

for someone who claims he coached football you sure know jack about this game

[flamethrower]

How about we look at some NFL Touchdowns and see who is right??
Click the link below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS4nPmgBV0U

[TexasCowboy]

Now you want to look at actual footage of receivers making touchdown grabs to see who is right? OK let's have a look-see rolls eyes

[TexasCowboy]

3 minutes and 47 seconds and all you see? is catch after catch many of which were touchdowns thanks for proving my point

[DEHog]

fails to matter what way he went in, as long as he secures the pass without excessive movement
and makes contact with the ground, without the ball coming free prior to reaching the ground then it is a catch

for someone who claims he coached football you sure know jack about this game

What??

[TexasCowboy]

Now comes the playing dumb aspect of their game, Huh, What? amazing the various range of ignorance they go through in stages all in a lame attempt to avoid the real truth now you can see why
I enjoy coming here, the shear enjoyment of torturing them, Is just enough to keep me coming back time and time again

[TexasCowboy]

Now, show me where it matters what way he gets in????

[flamethrower]

I just checked out the box score. Pass was ruled In-Com-Plete. Time to Get Over it.

[TexasCowboy]

Once again Brown noser attempts to rescue his "friends" from the fiendish clutches of the mean Cowboys fan

[TexasCowboy]

2 points here that were failed to be mentioned

* The only reason they are claiming??? NO catch is because as long as it happens to someone else and not to them all is good

* the 2nd? the failure to understand the confusion all this additional crap has put on players and coaches, extra steps, must have control all the way through, contact, what constitutes a "football move"? satisfying the rule via clarification. Yet, No player, No coach or even "analyst" is gonna agree with you on this. Took them ever since the screw up of Dez Bryant's non-catch call to finally
realize this is robbing the game

I still find it funny how they maintain they "know" football and all they show me is they are constantly ignorant of this sport please keep talking this display of ignorance and lack of thinking
for ones self has not satisfied the mases yet

[DarthMonk]

Done wasting my time here correcting TC posts which indicate an incredible level of ignorance.

You have proven you do not know what a tackle is in the NFL, what a zero is, what a 3 is ,and what an 8 is.

Wow.

See you in Smack.

[flamethrower]

Done wasting my time here correcting TC posts which indicate an incredible level of ignorance.

You have proven you do not know what a tackle is in the NFL, what a zero is, what a 3 is ,and what an 8 is.

Wow.

See you in Smack.

As much harping as he has done on this. Leads me to think that he has jumped on the Steelers bandwagon. After all the Gloryholers are officially done for 2017. Bet he has his Roethlessburger jersey already.

[DEHog]

Now comes the playing dumb aspect of their game, Huh, What? amazing the various range of ignorance they go through in stages all in a lame attempt to avoid the real truth now you can see why
I enjoy coming here, the shear enjoyment of torturing them, Is just enough to keep me coming back time and time again

And there you have it...glad you could admit it. Thank you for saying what I already knew, you have no arguments outside of just being contrarian. That's what trolls do when they have no legit arguments...If I'm the mods (and I've never advocated this before) I would kick you to the curb!! My guess is that has happened at most of the places you visit and you come here because they are more forgiving.

[TexasCowboy]

I admit how dumb you are, you don't seem to deny that DE, and yes, I enjoy knowing I am a perceived threat to the very delusion you attempt to use in wording your way out of issues, ALL while
you continually claim, I know football, I know football, You scream it as loud as you can, then think OH the lowly Ole Cowboys fan isn't going to see right thru me, I can lie, More, damn he saw
thru me, OK I'll lie some more, Damn, He saw thru that as well this guy has X ray vision or something

after 14 years of being here, nothing changes still ignorant, still liars and still getting owned by me how does it feel to know that a Cowboys fan is running a Redskins message board?

[TexasCowboy]

Done wasting my time here correcting TC posts which indicate an incredible level of ignorance.

You have proven you do not know what a tackle is in the NFL, what a zero is, what a 3 is, and what an 8 is.

Wow.

See you in Smack.

Delbert Grady thinks he is correcting me ROTFLMAO, gonna got get the ax and chop up the issue more than you have already butchered it, Monk??? nobody cares if it was a 0, 8 or 3, so NO points for you on that, second, tackling is defined by any contact from a defensive player to an offensive player. Requiring the actual touch of 2 from one person to the other

and you still failed to prove it was not a catch! since You really don't want to seem to go there knowing that nobody agrees with your assessment of the situation so you change the subject

So? yeah, it is best you leave this conversation to people who actually understand the definition of a catch and just stick to your weak smack talk I see the other
brown noser is trying to weigh in, But not even he is going to save you at this point. Cowboys 100 You 0

[TexasCowboy]

As much harping as he has done on this. Leads me to think that he has jumped on the Steelers bandwagon. After all the Gloryholers are officially done for 2017. Bet he has his Roethlessburger jersey already.

I bet you'd be 1000% wrong see unlike you, I got no reason to jump to anyone else during football season. Unlike you, I actually live, ride and die by my team through thick and thin. You, on the other hand, got nothing worth cheering in Houstink, so you have to jump onto other teams, Living in a constant state of jealousy over the Cowboys so much so, That you literally obsess to the point where you pull for every team, every week, that plays them, going as far as even tuning in just to see if
they lost or are losing

breaking out every team's jersey from the Giants to the Packers, Seahawks, Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Redskins, Eagles, and that is just some of the 2017 opponents that YOU have cheered for can't wait to see, who you pull for next year???? now go away brown noser cause there is no bigger FRAUD than YOU

[SkinsJock]

Despite the pathetic, stupid posts by some - the answer according to the NFL rules is "No! it's not a TD"

the game has to have rules and this play, under the current set of rules, is not a TD

[TexasCowboy]

I love how you keep quoting the NFL rule, just shows me that you really cannot think for yourself and will never understand this game unless the media or some corrupt entity is pushing it down your throat to make you believe that what they say is right, The answer remains? YES, it is a catch, by all definitions of the rule, maintained possession, is touched, the ground cannot cause the fumble and is down by contact. all according to the requirements but you keep preaching this bogus rule cause you are the only fools who believe this crap everyone else knows differently

[DEHog]

[TexasCowboy]

Yes, let's not feed them, poor things just keep spouting the same rhetoric, have no ability to think for themselves and are controled sheeple who never question anything just accept what they hear and claim it is face value