TexasCowboy wrote:Spamming the same question is failing to answer the question and just shows that at this point you've lost to a Cowboys fan regarding the matter
I asked my question long before you asked for any argument from me.
It was the second question I asked you several posts ago.
If you like I will answer it for you since the answer is so obvious.
However I will give you one more chance to provide an answer to a simple yes or no question:
Did the Patriot defender touch Jesse James before the ball crossed the goal line?
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DarthMonk wrote:
I asked my question long before you asked for any argument from me.
It was the second question I asked you several posts ago.
If you like I will answer it for you since the answer is so obvious.
However I will give you one more chance to provide an answer to a simple yes or no question:
Did the Patriot defender touch Jesse James before the ball crossed the goal line?
Monk you know how that poster acts. The only questions he deems worthy of being answered are his. Our questions are either stupid, or spamming any thread. If it's the play I think it is. It was ruled In-Com-Plete. Now how I would have ruled it was Complete and a Touchdown. Cause the ball crossed the plain before the defender touched the receiver. Nuff said. It's either a Touchdown, or In-Com-Plete. A person with average intellect could understand that.
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TexasCowboy wrote:So, what is your argument for a non-catch? since you have clearly established the leg down which puts rule 7a into full effect of a dead ball situation, having the receiver making contact with a defender and cannot advance the ball in that situation, the ground cannot cause a fumble, Nor can it make a catch incomplete according to the "rule" when the receiver has already taken the
proper steps to ensure the ball is secured prior to the ground
tell me what argument do you have left?
^^^ A post literally littered with errors.
Did a Patriot touch James before the ball crossed the goal line ?
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DEHog wrote:If James was down when his knee hit why would Duron make the effort to touch him?
Also if he's down why does Duron touching him matter?
DEHogg that's a grrrrrrrrreat question. Seeing as how supposedly the play was ovah, just like the 2017 Gloryholers season after next week is ovah, finished, DONE.
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This is not a touchdown. It is not a touchdown because it is an incomplete pass. The pass is incomplete because James did not maintain control of the ball throughout impact with the ground. He had to do this since he was going to the ground from the moment the ball touched his hands.
As ludicrously claimed in an earlier post, James was absolutely not down by contact before the ball crossed the goal line. For one thing, you can't be down before completing a catch. For another thing, the frequently mentioned Rule 7a does not apply because, among other things, no defender touched James before the ball crossed the goal line. An earlier poster seemed to have the NCAA and NFL dead ball rules confused when watching James' knee hit the ground.
Close inspection of a good replay shows James slamming the ball into the ground. His left hand slips off the ball which then spins almost half a turn and ends up on the ground with James' right hand on the side of the ball and his left hand on top of it. He then slides his right hand under the ball. He also looks completely unsurprised when the ruling goes against him.
Note:
Though the NCAA dead ball rule is very different from the NFL dead ball rule, the NCAA rule concerning maintaining control of the ball throughout impact with the ground is virtually identical to the NFL rule:
NCAA Casebook wrote:• A player going to the ground in the field of play or end zone must
maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the
ground. It is a catch if an inbounds receiver loses and regains control
prior to the ball touching the ground.
• To properly rule if the receiver loses possession while going to the
ground, replay must determine if (1) the receiver completed the catch
standing up and went to the ground as a second act or (2) the catch
was made while going to the ground and the receiver did not survive
the ground.
• A receiver can be “going to the ground” as a result of being contacted
by a defender.
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If he "slammed" it as you falsely accuse him of which is not the case the ball
hit the ground, After he is already considered down by league rule 7a which
means? the ball would need to be moving prior to the ground, Or? the ball
was never in full possession which neither is the case
TexasCowboy wrote:If he "slammed" it as you falsely accuse him of which is not the case the ball
hit the ground, After he is already considered down by league rule 7a which
means? the ball would need to be moving prior to the ground, Or? the ball
was never in full possession which neither is the case
once again not a touchdown it was a catch
You keep spouting rule 7a which is a PRO rule requiring contact to create a dead ball. The ball cannot be dead retroactively at the one due to touching in the end zone.
Humorously, he would not even be down at the one in college since he failed to complete the catch as required by the NCAA since he did not maintain control throughout impact with the ground - just like in the NFL.
I will allow you to continue to get it bass-ackwards as your posts indicate you have a complete lack of understanding with regards to being down in college vs the pros not to mention all the other errors in almost every one of your posts.
Your posts in this thread have reaffirmed for me and the entire board that you lack an understanding of many basic rules of football which you make abundantly clear in the final line of your most recent post:
TexasCowboy wrote:once again not a touchdown it was a catch
You may have the last word if you want it. Should be good for at least one more laugh.
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TexasCowboy wrote:laugh all you want it was a catch
Honestly no one posting on a football board is this ignorant of football...you obviously get off on watching us reply!
NO! It is not a touchdown
maybe the rule will change ... until it does ... this was DEFINETLY not a catch because it was a pass play and even though the player crossed the goal line with the ball in his hands he failed to complete the catch by maintaining control of the ball as he went to ground - under the current rule, the play is not over just because he crossed the line, he has to maintain control of the ball throughout the play - HE DID NOT - SIMPLE
If the player had been a runner this would not have applied and the play is dead as soon as the ball crosses the line
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
TexasCowboy wrote:laugh all you want it was a catch
Honestly no one posting on a football board is this ignorant of football...you obviously get off on watching us reply!
NO! It is not a touchdown
maybe the rule will change ... until it does ... this was DEFINETLY not a catch because it was a pass play and even though the player crossed the goal line with the ball in his hands he failed to complete the catch by maintaining control of the ball as he went to ground - under the current rule, the play is not over just because he crossed the line, he has to maintain control of the ball throughout the play - HE DID NOT - SIMPLE
If the player had been a runner this would not have applied and the play is dead as soon as the ball crosses the line
Correct. Also note that the NCAA has the virtually identical rule concerning going to the ground during the process of making a catch ...
NCAA Casebook wrote:• A player going to the ground in the field of play or end zone must
maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the
ground. It is a catch if an inbounds receiver loses and regains control
prior to the ball touching the ground.
• To properly rule if the receiver loses possession while going to the
ground, replay must determine if (1) the receiver completed the catch
standing up and went to the ground as a second act or (2) the catch
was made while going to the ground and the receiver did not survive
the ground.
• A receiver can be “going to the ground” as a result of being contacted
by a defender.
... while, as most of us realize, their dead ball rule is completely different.
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TexasCowboy wrote:laugh all you want it was a catch
Honestly no one posting on a football board is this ignorant of football...you obviously get off on watching us reply!
NO! It is not a touchdown
maybe the rule will change ... until it does ... this was DEFINETLY not a catch because it was a pass play and even though the player crossed the goal line with the ball in his hands he failed to complete the catch by maintaining control of the ball as he went to ground - under the current rule, the play is not over just because he crossed the line, he has to maintain control of the ball throughout the play - HE DID NOT - SIMPLE
If the player had been a runner this would not have applied and the play is dead as soon as the ball crosses the line
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maybe the rule will change ... until it does ... this was DEFINETLY not a catch because it was a pass play and even though the player crossed the goal line with the ball in his hands he failed to complete the catch by maintaining control of the ball as he went to ground - under the current rule, the play is not over just because he crossed the line, he has to maintain control of the ball throughout the play - HE DID NOT - SIMPLE
If the player had been a runner this would not have applied and the play is dead as soon as the ball crosses the line
This was a good post. I won't say post of the year. But, would say post of the week.
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The rule is bogus and you know it! only a fool goes along with this sham of a illusion but not even your "pals" in the media are buying that it fails to meet, every requiremejnt, of an official catch. small minds going along with the status quo and the funny thing is? they think they know football what a joke
