Cravens may retire

[mastdark81]

Never liked the pick at all

https://sports.yahoo.com/redskins-s-sua ... 30146.html

[DarthMonk]

PS - I actually LOVED the pick.

[Irn-Bru]

Gah. We have no luck.

[Hooligan]

LOL... what else can be said?

[mastdark81]

We need this class to step up!

[riggofan]

You know, if this kid has legit issues he's dealing with, I'm not going to beat him up about it. But pulling this crap the day AFTER final cuts when another player didn't make the team is complete BS. That could have been Will Blackmon's spot.

I heard Kevin Sheehan on 980 this morning make one of the best observations ever. 22 year old kids don't "retire". People who have actually had a career get to retire. This guy quit.

[riggofan]

I gotta add here that this is another of McCloughan's picks that's turned out badly. This is two now -including Doctson - who've had their maturity and mental toughness in question. Third rounder Matt Jones gone. Sudfeld gone. And as much as I like Scherff, that pick is still open to criticism.

Not trying to blame SM for this specifically, the draft is always going to be a roll of the dice for even the best teams and GMs. But there was a lot of canonization of McCloughan over the winter like he was the horse whisperer of drafting players and we're doomed without him. As much as I dislike Bruce personally, I'm starting to believe that his draft classes are going to look better side by side with SM's over the next few years if they don't already. Anybody want to take a guess on which 1st round pick makes more impact this year: Jonathan Allen or Josh Docston?

That fan favorite story about the railroading of McCloughan is starting to look as shaky as the "super talented RG3 got a raw deal from the Redskins" fairy tale.

[SkinsJock]

The Redskins have not been managed well for many years - everyone with any knowledge of the NFL knows this

Snyder's stupidity is mainly responsible for the dysfunction here not McCloughan

[riggofan]

The Redskins have not been managed well for many years - everyone with any knowledge of the NFL knows this

Snyder's stupidity is mainly responsible for the dysfunction here not McCloughan

That's a straw man, and an obvious one at that.

I'm not blaming McCloughan for dysfunction. I'm holding him accountable for the draft picks he made.

I'm pretty sure you were on here last week complaining about a lack of accountability. Why so willing to blame Snyder, Cousins, Gruden, etc; but McCloughan has no responsibility for these picks?

[mastdark81]

The Redskins have not been managed well for many years - everyone with any knowledge of the NFL knows this

Snyder's stupidity is mainly responsible for the dysfunction here not McCloughan

That's a straw man, and an obvious one at that.

I'm not blaming McCloughan for dysfunction. I'm holding him accountable for the draft picks he made.

I'm pretty sure you were on here last week complaining about a lack of accountability. Why so willing to blame Snyder, Cousins, Gruden, etc; but McCloughan has no responsibility for these picks?

For sure. McCloughans on the hook for this one and many other draft failures thus far in the two years he was here and pretty much every free agent.

[SkinsJock]

McCloughlan is not here but I'm fine with holding him accountable for anything he was solely responsible for - most fans know that Dan and Bruce are the ones that make the decisions here and would have greatly influenced what McCloughan could and couldn't do
Dan and Bruce are the ones that are primarily at fault here - McCloughan was not given the authority he needed or we wouldn't be in the mess we're in - McCloughan had input and does bear some responsibility but these 2 idiots are the root cause of all our issues

[riggofan]

McCloughlan is not here but I'm fine with holding him accountable for anything he was solely responsible for - most fans know that Dan and Bruce are the ones that make the decisions here and would have greatly influenced what McCloughan could and couldn't do
Dan and Bruce are the ones that are primarily at fault here - McCloughan was not given the authority he needed or we wouldn't be in the mess we're in - McCloughan had input and does bear some responsibility but these 2 idiots are the root cause of all our issues

meh. Let's not deflect. Scot's job and what he has been praised for endlessly was the draft. While he was here nobody had any question that he was in charge of and responsible for picking those players in 2015 and 2016. I'm not trying to blame him for the larger woes of this franchise. I'm just pointing out that his reputation as draft and free agent genius has not been born out by the results.

I will save your post though so this season when we lose some close game and you're on here complaining about a Jay Gruden play call, I'll remind you that "Sure Jay bears some responsibility but these 2 idiots are the root cause of all our issues".

[SkinsJock]

I thought that McCloughan was in charge of the draft choices but I'm not certain about that now - McCloughan had input but IMO Dan and Bruce had the final say - sugar coat it all you like - this franchise would not be in the mess it is, if Snyder had not interfered with what the FO was doing - we would be a lot better off if he brought in someone like McCloughan & stopped interfering with who coaches & plays here

AGAIN, the lack of success on the field is mainly due to Snyder and Allen's inept managing of this franchise NOT the players & coaches

[Hooligan]

AGAIN, the lack of success on the field is mainly due to Snyder and Allen's inept managing of this franchise NOT the players & coaches

You really don't need to reiterate the stuff that's already in your signature. We get it

[riggofan]

I thought that McCloughan was in charge of the draft choices but I'm not certain about that now

lol. ok.

[HEROHAMO]

Honestly this game is a brutal one. Ive loved this game since I was 8 years old.
But I dont blame anyone who rather do something else.

Most retired players walk with limps, brain damage ,hip replacements, knee replacements, missing teeth....on and on.

[fredp45]

Hero --I agree with you 100%. It is NOT mandatory that a guy play football. If he decides he doesn't want the pounding and is willing to give up the income, good for them.

I do think it's a little unfair on a franchise when someone is drafted in the first or second round and then in a year or two decides to hang it up. You can blame the FO for not doing enough due diligence but even that might not matter. It could be something the player decides after playing a year or so.

I wish the NFL would do something to help a team with their cap when a guy dies (i.e., Sean) or a guys decides to retire early, like Bowman for the 49'ers, the OL from the Ravens and maybe us with Cravens.

[mastdark81]

Hero --I agree with you 100%. It is NOT mandatory that a guy play football. If he decides he doesn't want the pounding and is willing to give up the income, good for them.

I do think it's a little unfair on a franchise when someone is drafted in the first or second round and then in a year or two decides to hang it up. You can blame the FO for not doing enough due diligence but even that might not matter. It could be something the player decides after playing a year or so.

I wish the NFL would do something to help a team with their cap when a guy dies (i.e., Sean) or a guys decides to retire early, like Bowman for the 49'ers, the OL from the Ravens and maybe us with Cravens.

I agree with you but in this specific instance he had a history of not being reliable in college when it came to his commitment to football and the Redskins front office didn't find that out until after they drafted him.

[riggofan]

Al Galdi‏ @AlGaldi 55m55 minutes ago

#Redskins 2016 draft irony: guy who always talked about "football players" may've spent 1st- & 2nd-rd picks on guys who don't love football.

yeah.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Doctson doesn't love football???
Maybe he does... His body just hates him for it! Smmfh

[SkinsJock]

it's obviously a huge mistake on McCloughan's part to bring in players that did not work out ...

can you imagine how good this franchise would be if we had not had McCloughan working here and screwing things up

fact is we'd still be as good or as bad as we've always been the past 17 seasons

[riggofan]

it's obviously a huge mistake on McCloughan's part to bring in players that did not work out ...

I don't think it was his fault at all. Dan Snyder was busy meddling and interfering.

[SkinsJock]

we'll never really know how good a job people can do here while this idiot owner continues to interferes with them doing their jobs

it must be frustrating for the FO, players and coaches to know that, no matter how hard they bust their asses to make things better here, this idiot will make it difficult for them because he wants to make sure that he gets all the credit

btw - did anyone else notice Garcon last night - great decision to let him go and bring in Pryor

[StorminMormon86]

So how many busts does this make for the "In Scot We Trust" god-like GM?

[SkinsJock]

So how many busts does this make for the "In Scot We Trust" god-like GM?

we've since come to the conclusion that McCloughan didn't have a clue about what he was doing - makes you wonder why they ever hired him in the first place - Danny must have been really mad at whoever was responsible for bringing in another loser FO person

nobody within any sense thinks this franchise has even a slight chance at success with this idiot owner - what a joke