Dysfunction acting like the sky is falling

[fredp45]

Snyder is an arrogant jerk who was always picked last by the people in the school yard...in fact, the team that got him got two extra picks just to take him.

He has absolutely no idea how to treat people, even though he was successful at making money that doesn't mean he has any idea how to effectively deal with people.

The real unfortunate part is, I'm 10 years older than him and will never see another skins team owned by a good owner. I'm stuck with rooting for the skins, which I'll do till the end, and watching this ass totally screw up the team year in and year out. From bone headed decision to another...

Pretty soon his money won't be enough to find anyone willing to work for him...Mayock hasn't said no because Danny is throwing a ton of money at him...Guess Mayock figures I can do anything for a year or two, then I'll get fired and collect all the money for years 3 and on. Good gig really!

A fairly good roster coming off two pretty good years with a ton of cap space...for *sh$t* sake! What's the expression, Danny can f*** up a wet dream.

[Countertrey]

Yes... we have plenty of evidence that Snyder is a moneyed buffoon who possesses the keys to the board room. However, please, give me ONE FACT that doesn't fall into the category of rumor, postulation, "unnamed/unverified source", or emotional rant, pertinent to THIS situation, which validates your belief.

To me, everything so far would be typical and predictable in dealing with a high profile employee who has fallen off the wagon, AND was given time to address the problem, but failed to. Try thinking without the prejudice that (admittedly) Snyder has earned.

I'm more than happy to join the lynching... when it's deserved. Without more info, this ain't it. To me (as someone who worked with alcoholics for nearly 20 years) this story smacks of a valued employee who hit bottom. If that is true, I simply can't condemn Snyder for cutting the cord, and ending his investment in Scot. MY gut says this was a risk worth taking, that simply didn't work out for the team.

I'm sure that, at some point, the truth will come out... and the source won't be talking to Jenkins.

BTW... None of the above should be taken as an endorsement of Snyder by me. I would be thrilled to hear of a league intervention aimed at getting a new ownership group in Redskins Park.

I'm pretty sure he got fired because of a relapse but that's not the only thing that happened these last several weeks with regard to this situation. We were given an ever-changing and self-conflicting narrative by Dan's spokesperson. That's a fact. More of the same old same old. Why not just fire him, tell us why, and move on?

I'll tell you why - because the Dan Snyder in action for the last month is the one we've known ever since he got here.

Regardless that's why I said I agreed with everything in your post after what I highlighted.

Possibly because they were trying to salvage him, get him into a program, some time to get his act together... If that's not the case, they would have terminated him the minute the season was over, to have at least a chance to bring in someone before the combine.

[SkinsJock]

Given that there's a choice between Dan & Bruce doing the right thing or not is it at all surprising that everyone thinks that Dan and Bruce most likely are in the wrong here - is there any doubt in anyone's mind that these 2 slime buckets chose the wrong way to handle this?

anyone?

[Bishop Hammer]

We are cooked. I'm more discouraged today than I have ever been as a fan.

This exactly how I feel. Missing the playoffs this season didn't make me lose faith, in the slightest. In my book making the post season the year before and being in the hunt the following showed the team was on the right track. With McCloughan gone it's back to the Cerratto days.

[OldSchool]

We are cooked. I'm more discouraged today than I have ever been as a fan.

This exactly how I feel. Missing the playoffs this season didn't make me lose faith, in the slightest. In my book making the post season the year before and being in the hunt the following showed the team was on the right track. With McCloughan gone it's back to the Cerratto days.

I felt good about the team and it's trajectory at the end of 2016. I believe the 2016 team was better than the 2015 team that won a weaker division. From August 2015 when Gruden declared he was going with Cousins until a month or so after the season I felt the team was really solid and expected to see some celebratory contract extensions and be looking forward optimistically about the draft. For me that was the best of the entire Snyder ownership by far, I never bought into the 2012 Griffin zone read thing. Don't mean to pick an old scab but I was the only guy I knew who didn't believe in it get into it. So without really getting emotionally invested in 2012 what real positives are there during the Snyder era but 2015-2016? None, it has been a steady diet of frustration since he fired Marty.

What a demoralizing reversal of fortunes from December to March. It seems the SM success of 2015-2016 was a charade and Snyder has been in charge all along or decided to reassert his control. I am almost hoping Cousins is traded so I can effortlessly abandon the team. I like Gruden but Cousins is the last real hold the Skins have on me. If Kirk goes I'm done and its become so frustrating again I just might welcome the break now.

[HEROHAMO]

Every Redskins fan has a right to be angry, frustrated and fed up with Snyder. I am no exception.

Scott was fired but we still do not know all the details and facts about the whole ordeal. So for now I am waiting until after the draft to judge the situation. Whether Kirk is traded or not remains to be seen.

Snyder is,was and will always be Snyder. I am not surprised to tell you guys the truth.

Whatever has transpired the facts are.
1. We are still better now then before Scott arrived. Regardless of meddling by Snyder or Allen. Scott has left his influence on this team. All the players have spoken positively about Scott.

2. A solid foundation has been built. It's not like Allen and Snyder have to do a total rebuild. They just have to add a running game and defense. Heck if they get lucky and add an elite Rb with maybe another G. We would only need a middle of the pack defense.

3. The draft offers opportunity to aquire a transcendent talent.
Let's face it. Ultimately it's going to take the right talented player or players to get to the next level.
For me I think that player would be a Rb for the Skins. At least on offense.
Fournette,Cook,Mccaffrey or Joe Mixon?

You just never know. We might get lucky and draft our next hall of famer?

One thing I am sure of is this. Let's say we do draft our next all pro Rb and he does well. I know you guys won't be complaining then.

[SkinsJock]

and so it begins .... I just don't see these bozos putting it all together

[riggofan]

and so it begins .... I just don't see these bozos putting it all together

I don't see what's to be about. What do you expect fans to do? Curl up in a ball and bitch about every move going forward just because Scot McCloughan is gone? Why follow the team at all in that case?

I give HEROHAMO full credit there. He said: "Snyder is,was and will always be Snyder." He's not kidding himself. Most of us don't like what has gone down this offseason. If we're going to stick with the Redskins, our best hope is that the coaches and players can overcome our ridiculous front office.

I disagree with your constant comment that "as long as Snyder is here blah blah blah". Not every team has the front office of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The league has a long history of meddling and bad owners - Jerry, Irsay, Al Davis, the Benson family, Arthur freaking Blank always hanging out on the sidelines. Teams do rise above it on occasion.

This thread title is spot on.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

This thread title is spot on.

So, is the sky falling or not?

[SkinsJock]

you're right riggofan - what's to be upset about? this is what it's like to be a Redskins fan and be on a Redskins fan web site ... you just hope we get lucky and bring in the right people to coach and play here - are you guys for real?

GUARANTEED, in the next few months, Dan Snyder will have us all believing that we're going to see a better product on the field this season - just like every year

maybe they should not have hired Scot
and
maybe they should not have let us all believe that Dan Snyder was not meddling with this franchise anymore

they continue to do this and then posters like you and HEROHAMO ask us .... "WHAT IF ..." we bring in a future HOF RB, then you'll think that things will be better here - how in the hell is that supposed to happen with this guy who will give up a bunch of draft picks and ruin us

Dan Snyder's in charge here and the sky is falling - maybe not where you are but it sure looks like that from my perspective

[SkinsJock]

and so it begins .... I just don't see these bozos putting it all together

I don't see what's to be about. What do you expect fans to do? Curl up in a ball and bitch about every move going forward just because Scot McCloughan is gone? Why follow the team at all in that case?

I give HEROHAMO full credit there. He said: "Snyder is,was and will always be Snyder." He's not kidding himself. Most of us don't like what has gone down this offseason. If we're going to stick with the Redskins, our best hope is that the coaches and players can overcome our ridiculous front office.

I disagree with your constant comment that "as long as Snyder is here blah blah blah". Not every team has the front office of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The league has a long history of meddling and bad owners - Jerry, Irsay, Al Davis, the Benson family, Arthur freaking Blank always hanging out on the sidelines. Teams do rise above it on occasion.

This thread title is spot on.

you can take your "blah blah blah" and shove it ...

I'm not buying into the BS from this organization and I'm taking a very negative stance until it is clear that Dan Snyder is not involved

get used to it

[riggofan]

I'm not buying into the BS from this organization and I'm taking a very negative stance until it is clear that Dan Snyder is not involved

Sounds enjoyable. Have fun!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm not buying into the BS from this organization and I'm taking a very negative stance until it is clear that Dan Snyder is not involved

Sounds enjoyable. Have fun!

Oh, *sh$t*. SJ.

You'll be right here with the rest of us for the draft and minicamps and OTAs and the preseason and comment in every thread posted, just as you have done for the 13 years you've been a member of this site.

And there is about a snowball's chance in hell none of your posts will be positive.

[riggofan]

Oh, *sh$t*. SJ.

You'll be right here with the rest of us for the draft and minicamps and OTAs and the preseason and comment in every thread posted, just as you have done for the 13 years you've been a member of this site.

And there is about a snowball's chance in hell none of your posts will be positive.

Its kind of shocking. After years of so many optimistic posts about Shanny, RG3 and McCloughan - well after the writing was on the wall, I think SJ may have finally run out of hope. Thanks a lot Snyder!!!

[SkinsJock]

I'll be here - I'm a very positive person, always have been - I did have hope that things would get better and I did think that Dan had finally realized that he needed to step aside and let the FO manage things here ... I'm just not buying into the lies anymore

I do enjoy being both an NFL fan and a Redskins fan - I will enjoy watching what happens here without any hope that this franchise is being managed by people that have a clue about what to do or how to make this franchise better

I'm not going away just because this idiot owner doesn't have a clue

[SkinsJock]

Oh, *sh$t*. SJ. You'll be right here with the rest of us for the draft and minicamps and OTAs and the preseason and comment in every thread posted, just as you have done for the 13 years you've been a member of this site.

And there is about a snowball's chance in hell none of your posts will be positive.

Its kind of shocking. After years of so many optimistic posts about Shanny, RG3 and McCloughan - well after the writing was on the wall, I think SJ may have finally run out of hope. Thanks a lot Snyder!!!

one of you knows a little about me and the other doesn't have much of a clue about much of anything

I try and see the bright side of people and circumstances in general but with this owner I'm not sure there's any hope of that

[riggofan]

one of you knows a little about me and the other doesn't have much of a clue about much of anything

I try and see the bright side of people and circumstances in general but with this owner I'm not sure there's any hope of that

I know this man, and I hope you didn't misread my last post. Its pretty sad that Snyder has continually sucker punched so many loyal fans like this.

I think Skins fans in general have to be more cynical going forward. Believe your eyes and not the hype. Try to distinguish between what's legit news and what is spin being fed to the media. Speaking of which, I was reading this WashPost story today: Redskins’ draft process isn’t changing much, even after Scot McCloughan firing. Its like the Redskins' PR department typed that up themselves. Come on, Mike Jones. You can do better than this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... 875933e857

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

(Insert posts here)

Don't misread me. I'm not attacking you. It's just that you're always the "glass half-full" guy around here. If you actually became the "glass is always empty" guy I think a lot of people would be stunned.

You're usually the one who takes all the crap from the rest of us when we're over-analyzing everything the team does and complaining about it.

If we have to find a new positive person under these conditions it won't be easy.

[riggofan]

If you actually became the "glass is always empty" guy I think a lot of people would be stunned.

This.

[SkinsJock]

I'm just very disappointed - it seems that Dan Snyder and possibly Bruce Allen saw an opportunity to bring in a GM that had done some good things but also was desperate to get another opportunity - they led us all to believe that he was doing certain things here and then when it suited them they canned him and made out like he didn't do anything and he was still a drunk - Scot was not a great GM but he represented accountability and these guys represent failure

these bozos are just like Trump - they may mean well but they've destroyed all credibility - I'm not looking on the bright side anymore - these guys can bring in another perfectly viable GM but as long as they're still managing things, this franchise is not going anywhere

[SkinsJock]

You're usually the one who takes all the crap from the rest of us when we're over-analyzing everything the team does & complaining about it.

that's because you guys know a lot more than I ever will - I have to hope that things will get better - that's all I've got

this recent stuff is so frustrating and to finally have a QB and not do whatever it takes to keep him is just mind boggling

[Redskin in Canada]

I'll be here - I'm a very positive person, always have been - I did have hope that things would get better and I did think that Dan had finally realized that he needed to step aside and let the FO manage things here ... I'm just not buying into the lies anymore

Different team and player management strategies (discipline, etc) between Scott and ...
Power struggle between Scott and ...
Different philosophies, actually one philosophy by Scott versus no-philosophy from ...
Differences between cap strategy and salary to some players (Cousins, etc).

Nothing has EVER changed. Twenty years and counting. Snyder is ... Snyder, always has been, always will be.

I do enjoy being both an NFL fan and a Redskins fan - I will enjoy watching what happens here without any hope that this franchise is being managed by people that have a clue about what to do or how to make this franchise better

If you REALLY care, vote with your feet, vote with your wallet. I have not spent a single cent on the Skins for a decade. I have not attended a game since ... I forgot.

I'm not going away just because this idiot owner doesn't have a clue

Enjoy your family. Enjoy your hobbies. Be happy. Turn the tv every once in a while when a game is on if there is nothing better to do. There are always valuable individual stories to follow if you must follow.

I am a very competitive person. I have always been so. I feel your pain and disappointment with many ultra loyal fans. I was one but no more. I was betrayed by an owner who will never ever be able to sustain success because success that he cannot author and be recognised as the sole source for is not real success to him. I got tired of having my team be called the soap opera laughingstock of not only the NFL but international sports.

The Washington Redskins are the most expensive and worst mismanaged sports franchise in the World. Yes, it could have been different. It looked as if there could have been some hope for change and improvement at times. It is HOPELESS.

Sure enough, there will be a product on the stadium. There will be new players. Fans will undergo the annual ritual to leave behind sorrow and pain to build new faith ... until the STRUCTURAL FLAWS and the POISSONOUS ATMOSPHERE around Snyder filters down and a scapegoat is found every time.

There would be NO MONEY, NONE, that would make me recommend to family and friends to work for such organization. I actually feel sorry for some great players who wasted their best years with us since Snyder took over. Many of them would have been champions elsewhere. There is no LOYALTY or even GRATITUDE from this owner to former employees and many players, quite the opposite.

So, if anybody is interested into tragic comedies turned into soap operas, the Skins is the best thing. Everybody else, better vote with your feet and wallet. Just sayn'

[riggofan]

I'm just very disappointed - it seems that Dan Snyder and possibly Bruce Allen saw an opportunity to bring in a GM that had done some good things but also was desperate to get another opportunity

I'm trying to remember now why they brought SM here in the first place. Was it basically to provide some cover after that 3-13 year or whatever?

[SkinsJock]

I'm just very disappointed - it seems that Dan Snyder and possibly Bruce Allen saw an opportunity to bring in a GM that had done some good things but also was desperate to get another opportunity

I'm trying to remember now why they brought SM here in the first place. Was it basically to provide some cover after that 3-13 year or whatever?

it would seem that they wanted a GM to make it look like the FO was making personnel decisions when the reality was that they (Dan & Bruce) were still in full control - I'm sure they 'encouraged & supported' the early reports of "a new direction" and having full accountability

Scot was a good fit for what they wanted - I'm sure they will find another person that will want the "challenge" and is ready "to turn this franchise around" but who will just be doing what he's told

lying weasels - what goes around comes around and these 2 are high on the list of those who should get what they deserve ... & soon

[DEHog]

I'm just very disappointed - it seems that Dan Snyder and possibly Bruce Allen saw an opportunity to bring in a GM that had done some good things but also was desperate to get another opportunity

I'm trying to remember now why they brought SM here in the first place. Was it basically to provide some cover after that 3-13 year or whatever?

There have been some pretty low points in the Dan Snyder era, but the lowest of lows IMO was December 28th 2014. 30K Cowboys fans chanting “let’s go Cowboys” in a meaningless game (they had clinched the division) at FedEx beating the Skins 44-17…I can only imagine what was going on in the owners suite. Dan Snyder saw his future that day…this put the wheels in motion to hire a competent GM. …we’ll see where it goes from here??