Florio Is A Clown, But ...

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Per a league source, there’s a growing belief in some circles that the Browns will try to acquire Cousins via trade. Another source said that, when Cousins chose to sign his franchise tender last week, the one concern he had is that, after the tender is signed, he can be traded. He specifically was concerned about being traded to Cleveland.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... k-cousins/

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Let me just say I think the #12 pick and a 2nd rounder isn't enough for the Skins to trade Cousins.

[SkinsJock]

... I think the #12 pick and a 2nd rounder isn't enough for the Skins to trade Cousins.

totally agree

it isn't ... but, you have to consider the fact that these 2 bozos don't think that Cousins is worth much

[SkinsJock]

Per a league source, there’s a growing belief in some circles that the Browns will try to acquire Cousins via trade. Another source said that, when Cousins chose to sign his franchise tender last week, the one concern he had is that, after the tender is signed, he can be traded. He specifically was concerned about being traded to Cleveland.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... k-cousins/

not sure why Cousins would not want to go to the Browns - they are far better (I repeat, far better) managed than the Redskins

the Browns have been a joke but they have changed their philosophy and there are many that are giving them a lot of credit for what they've done recently - they have a huge job in front of them but it doesn't take long if you have a plan and know what to do to achieve your goals

The Redskins are the lowest rated franchise at this time because of these 2 bozos

IF I was Cousins I would be looking to play anywhere but here or stay here and play for $24M, then stick it to these bozos - CAN'T LOSE

[Irn-Bru]

Per a league source, there’s a growing belief in some circles that the Browns will try to acquire Cousins via trade. Another source said that, when Cousins chose to sign his franchise tender last week, the one concern he had is that, after the tender is signed, he can be traded. He specifically was concerned about being traded to Cleveland.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... k-cousins/

Smart man.

[SkinsJock]

for more on the Browns creativity this offseason and why Cousins (and others) may want to have a rethink about the Browns ...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-f ... takeaways/

The Browns have 11 selections in each of the next two drafts, including three second round picks in 2018.

just an example of what can happen when an owner sees what can happen when he stops meddling and lets other manage

The Redskins are going nowhere under Dan's mis-management

[riggofan]

The problem with Florio and Pro Football Talk is that he prints EVERYTHING he hears. He prints so much conflicting information that he might as well print nothing.

In my news feed this morning from PFT, these two stories were side by side, published within four hours of each other:

Report: Browns “aren’t expected” to try to get Kirk Cousins
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... k-cousins/

How much should the Browns offer for Kirk Cousins?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... k-cousins/

[riggofan]

just an example of what can happen when an owner sees what can happen when he stops meddling and lets other manage

I don't know why you continue to buy in so quickly to stuff like this. You were literally writing the same thing praising the Redskins for being run differently now under the guidance of Scot McCloughan like a month ago.

The Browns seem to be doing things differently over the past year. They also finished 1-15, went through six quarterbacks, let a bunch of good players leave, made the brilliant decision to pass on Carson Wentz and started RG3 against all common sense and evidence.

I'm not personally feeling like they're the model organization to strive to emulate. Do something consistently for four or five years and show some actual results.

[SkinsJock]

just an example of what can happen when an owner sees what can happen when he stops meddling and lets other manage

I don't know why you continue to buy in so quickly to stuff like this. You were literally writing the same thing praising the Redskins for being run differently now under the guidance of Scot McCloughan like a month ago.

The Browns seem to be doing things differently over the past year. They also finished 1-15, went through six quarterbacks, let a bunch of good players leave, made the brilliant decision to pass on Carson Wentz and started RG3 against all common sense and evidence.

I'm not personally feeling like they're the model organization to strive to emulate. Do something consistently for four or five years and show some actual results.

I'm not buying into the Browns - I'm just looking at a failed organization that appears to be headed in a different direction because the owner knows that he cannot run or manage an NFL franchise like the owner we have ... the Browns have been really horrible for a long time but it will not be long before they see some improvements based on having a plan that is managed and under the control of guys that have a clue ...

There is no doubt about where the Redskins are headed under Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen's management - we've all seen how that works

I agree that it will take time but ... the probability of things getting better in time looks a lot better to Browns fans than it does to us

[oj]

All this speculation of other teams interest in Cousins is bound to impress on Snyder just how valuable Kirk is, that perceived value is more important to Snyder than other possible trades for lesser known players. Think back about all the high profile players he's latched onto and kept close. The greater the interest in Cousins the greater Snyders' decision to keep him.

[riggofan]

the Browns have been really horrible for a long time but it will not be long before they see some improvements based on having a plan that is managed and under the control of guys that have a clue ...

What are you even talking about? You're talking complete nonsense. I know you seem to be impressed by the amount of draft picks that team has amassed, but let me review for you who exactly is running the Browns:

"Two days after hiring a non-football person to run their football operation, the Browns have hired another executive who’s never worked in the NFL.

Paul DePodesta — he was the model for the Johah Hill character in the movie Moneyball — has been hired as chief strategy officer. Per Joel Sherman of the New York Post, DePodesta will fit in the organizational structure behind only team owner Jimmy Haslam and team president Alec Scheiner.

After firing head coach Mike Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer on Sunday, Haslam announced that Sashi Brown, the team’s general counsel, had been promoted to executive director of football operations and given full control of the roster. "

So the "guys that have a clue" are an analytics guy from baseball and a team lawyer.

There is no doubt about where the Redskins are headed under Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen's management - we've all seen how that works

Look, I'm not happy at all with what's gone on the past few weeks. But what I've seen under Bruce Allen's management to date is still two consecutive winning seasons. If the team implodes this season, I'll reconsider my position. Until then, I'm not going to be pining for the winning structure managing the Browns.

[riggofan]

All this speculation of other teams interest in Cousins is bound to impress on Snyder just how valuable Kirk is, that perceived value is more important to Snyder than other possible trades for lesser known players. Think back about all the high profile players he's latched onto and kept close. The greater the interest in Cousins the greater Snyders' decision to keep him.

That sounds good in theory, but its just as likely that leaks about interest in Cousins are coming from the Redskins trying to drum up interest and competition. Snyder knows exactly what the actual level of interest is. There's no reason for him to believe any speculation.

[oj]

All this speculation of other teams interest in Cousins is bound to impress on Snyder just how valuable Kirk is, that perceived value is more important to Snyder than other possible trades for lesser known players. Think back about all the high profile players he's latched onto and kept close. The greater the interest in Cousins the greater Snyders' decision to keep him.

That sounds good in theory, but its just as likely that leaks about interest in Cousins are coming from the Redskins trying to drum up interest and competition. Snyder knows exactly what the actual level of interest is. There's no reason for him to believe any speculation.

You are leaving Snyders' ego out of your calculations.
Good point about the source of the leaks, I hadn't considered that.

[riggofan]

You are leaving Snyders' ego out of your calculations.
Good point about the source of the leaks, I hadn't considered that.

No I totally get what you're saying regarding his ego, and I don't disagree. If Snyder thinks other teams value Cousins, no doubt about it, that will make him seem more valuable to Snyder. He's always been like that, no doubt man.

[SkinsJock]

.. I'm not happy at all with what's gone on the past few weeks. But what I've seen under Bruce Allen's management to date is still two consecutive winning seasons. If the team implodes this season, I'll reconsider my position.

I could care less what happens with the Browns - I'd love to have all those draft picks though

I'm VERY skeptical that Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder can have this franchise in the playoffs this coming season which is where we would be under different management - then again, if we had different management we'd have Cousins locked up to a long term deal and we most likely would have been in the playoffs last season

we shall see what happens - I'll be here

[Irn-Bru]

What are you even talking about? You're talking complete nonsense. I know you seem to be impressed by the amount of draft picks that team has amassed, but let me review for you who exactly is running the Browns:

"Two days after hiring a non-football person to run their football operation, the Browns have hired another executive who’s never worked in the NFL.

Paul DePodesta — he was the model for the Johah Hill character in the movie Moneyball — has been hired as chief strategy officer. Per Joel Sherman of the New York Post, DePodesta will fit in the organizational structure behind only team owner Jimmy Haslam and team president Alec Scheiner.

After firing head coach Mike Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer on Sunday, Haslam announced that Sashi Brown, the team’s general counsel, had been promoted to executive director of football operations and given full control of the roster. "

So the "guys that have a clue" are an analytics guy from baseball and a team lawyer.

To be fair, it's likely that the NFL has long overvalued football experience — e.g., players who played the game, coaches who have been in the league forever, people who come from "football families" — and have overlooked the value of analytics. The NFL hasn't really had a "moneyball" revolution. All of this is to say that I wouldn't write off the Browns' strategy just yet.

[riggofan]

To be fair, it's likely that the NFL has long overvalued football experience — e.g., players who played the game, coaches who have been in the league forever, people who come from "football families" — and have overlooked the value of analytics. The NFL hasn't really had a "moneyball" revolution. All of this is to say that I wouldn't write off the Browns' strategy just yet.

Absolutely - I'm not writing it off at all. My point is that they haven't done anything worthy of praise yet. Its an impressive haul of draft picks that they've stockpiled, but they still have to show that they can do something with it.

Likewise, I would argue that for all of the s*** we're collectively giving Snyder/Allen - myself included in that - they still have the opportunity to show that the current people in place can or can't get the job done. We'll see.

[StorminMormon86]

Why does anyone still read anything Florio "reports"? Has he ever been right?

[riggofan]

Why does anyone still read anything Florio "reports"? Has he ever been right?

He publishes everything he hears. Eventually something he publishes is right.