Even though McCloughan would be Coach Jay Gruden’s boss in a normal organizational structure, he doesn’t have the authority to fire Gruden or anyone on the coaching staff. Gruden and McCloughan report directly to Allen. They are, in essence, on the same shelf.
IF Scot wanted to replace Jay Gruden, it would happen - he may not have the 'authority' to fire him but Jay Gruden would be gone
Scot and Bruce are running the show here and they have done pretty well when you consider where we were before Scot arrived
not sure how Bruce/Dan feel about Cousins but Scot's support for Cousins is part of the reason that Cousins is here - while the FO may not be unanimous in wanting to pay a ridiculous amount of money to keep Cousins here, they are going to do the best they can for the franchise
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
hanburgerheel wrote:This team will NEVER be a contender of any kind as long as Daniel Snyder owns it. And, unfortunately, if he ever were to sell it, it would cease being called "The Redskins."
I would make that trade in a second. Much prefer a Snyder-less "Washington Monuments/Senators/Braves/etc." over a Snyder-run "Washington Redskins".
Snyder is a cancer. And worse yet, he has no clue. Snyder is like your 3 year old child that thinks they are "helping" --- when all they're really doing is making a bigger mess....... The only difference is Snyder is in charge in this scenario ---- so you can't manage him.
It would be great if Dan Snyder decided to let the Redskins go but as rich as he is he most likely would not sell the franchise to anyone that would not agree to keep the name ...
It's probably wishful thinking to think that he's not a part of whatever is going on here but hopefully he continues to let Bruce and Scot make the BIG decisions here - we have made some improvements here over the past 2 seasons and it would be nice to continue with that
I'm not as sold on Kirk Cousins as a future great QB as some and I sure as hell don't want to put a long term deal together that interferes with what we want to do here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
hanburgerheel wrote:This team will NEVER be a contender of any kind as long as Daniel Snyder owns it. And, unfortunately, if he ever were to sell it, it would cease being called "The Redskins."
I would make that trade in a second. Much prefer a Snyder-less "Washington Monuments/Senators/Braves/etc." over a Snyder-run "Washington Redskins".
Snyder is a cancer. And worse yet, he has no clue. Snyder is like your 3 year old child that thinks they are "helping" --- when all they're really doing is making a bigger mess....... The only difference is Snyder is in charge in this scenario ---- so you can't manage him.
I would love to see Snyder sell the team and if changing the name was part of the transaction I'd be all for it. Snyder must be a great businessman but how does that benefit us fans when he has shown himself to be loser on the field?
I think a sizable minority of the fan base will bail if the Skins lose Cousins and struggle afterwards. People were getting feed up with all of his dumb decisions and losing before Snyder capped off his incompetent tenure with the Griffin debacle. Now if Snyder tosses stability and modest success out the window for another stupid gamble I think it could a watershed moment and a surprising number of people bail.
Is paying Cousins top 5 money the optimal solution for the team? Perhaps not the optimal strategy going forward but not signing Cousins is a suckers bet. If it takes top 5 money or even the biggest deal in the history of the league to wrap Cousins up Snyder should do it because the downside risk of a really serious erosion of his fanbase is unacceptably large. Snyder has drained all the goodwill in the well he can't afford a huge mistake because he's made so many.
markshark84 wrote:Yeah, so know Danny boy and his latest b!tch-boy, Bruce Allen, are ready to drive away the only person that actually understands the general concepts of football within the organization....
markshark84 wrote: Danny boy and his latest b!tch-boy, Bruce Allen, are ready to drive away the only person that actually understands the general concepts of football within the organization....
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How can the son of a legend be so stupid? Allen is the new Vinny - Good things don't last long under Snyder. I guess the little man has been in the background too long and wants some attention. What a curse Snyder is.
this may be a bit of an overreaction... remember, McCloughan comes with a bit of his own baggage. "sources" have been known to have their own agenda. Can we just watch for a while before jumping back on the "kill Danny" bandwagon?
+1 ... let's see how things go down here in the next couple of weeks - geez
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Well SM seems to be out of Ashburn. There is no coming back after this and now new potential GM's are being cited. We all know the GM ruse is pure D *sh$t* because Snyder demands to play real life Madden. This team and it's front office all need to drop dead they all are on some retarded BS. It's getting to the point that upcoming seasons of being a Redskins Fan is like getting kicked in the balls with combat steel toed boots.
I was against Snyder the moment he fired Marty and hired Spurrier. After the Zorn debacle I was willing to believe he finally wised up and would let someone who had some idea what he was doing with Shanahan. When things started to fall apart under him I believed it was all him until I heard how Danny boy was interfering with how Mike was coaching RG-3(the second time he's told his coach how to do his job).
When McCloughan was brought aboard I really thought Snyder had turned a corner. No way he can blow this because he must know he will have no recourse to take. The fan base will finally get fed up and have a massive uproar. Well I was wrong like each time I gave him the benefit of the doubt. There is no hope of the Redskins ever being good while he's the owner. He's to much of an egomaniac to let the team do well if he cannot take the sole credit for it.
That's assuming he does care about winning. The only time he's made the illusion of stepping out the way was when fans stop showing up to games and he started losing revenue.
I don't have to sell my soul,
He's already in me,
I don't need to sell my soul,
He's already in me.
I wanna be adored
I wanna be adored.
Mega rich guy who people believed must be capable because of his wealth. Thinks he's smart enough to do something he has no experience with because he's so good at bidness. Who knew running a football team could be so complicated? Sycophants and liars get elevated in the organization while the capable people are pushed aside or run out of town. Complete master of distraction. When the news gets bad, change the topic again with some flashy move. Promise a championship, deliver a complete swindle. The only person who wins is him. Snyder is a man light years ahead of his time.
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Nothing smart about Dan Snyder (football wise) he brought into a great business and one of its best brands, can you imagine him doing this in Detroit or Jacksonville? He is the sole reason for the reduction in seats at FedEx!! He should pay Gibbs’ teams royalty payments for the fans that do show up!!
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:He should pay Gibbs’ teams royalty payments for the fans that do show up!!
hah. I agree 100%!
I heard one of the radio guys the other day make a bet that we'll see Coach Joe in the next few weeks show up to introduce and put his stamp of approval on new GM, Doug Williams. Would be such a typical Redskins move.
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DEHog wrote:He should pay Gibbs’ teams royalty payments for the fans that do show up!!
hah. I agree 100%!
I heard one of the radio guys the other day make a bet that we'll see Coach Joe in the next few weeks show up to introduce and put his stamp of approval on new GM, Doug Williams. Would be such a typical Redskins move.
Yea I could see that...I've been told the one person that Snyder will bow down to and listen is Gibbs. But you know Joe he's not going to butt in and cause any issues.
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
we all know that the Redskins will come up with something in the next few months but this time they are going to have a much more difficult job of it because of how they've handled the situation with Scot - I doubt that even Joe Gibbs will 'support' Dan Snyder's recent moves or how he's handled things here since Joe's second tenure
I'm kind of looking forward to it - this is what this slime ball is really good at
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:we all know that the Redskins will come up with something in the next few months but this time they are going to have a much more difficult job of it because of how they've handled the situation with Scot - I doubt that even Joe Gibbs will 'support' Dan Snyder's recent moves or how he's handled things here since Joe's second tenure
I think the idea there is that Gibbs would support his former QB, Doug Williams. Which would be understandable.
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SkinsJock wrote:we all know that the Redskins will come up with something in the next few months but this time they are going to have a much more difficult job of it because of how they've handled the situation with Scot - I doubt that even Joe Gibbs will 'support' Dan Snyder's recent moves or how he's handled things here since Joe's second tenure
I think the idea there is that Gibbs would support his former QB, Doug Williams. Which would be understandable.
Totally understandable
however - there's no way that Joe Gibbs (or his advisors) will even look like he's 'supporting' Dan Snyder after what he's done since Gibbs II
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Not to defend Snyder at all, but I have to admit I'm not completely seeing how he is to blame for the McCloughan thing. At least from what we've been told.
An Examination of What Went Wrong in Washington A closer look into GM Scot McCloughan’s firing reveals three incidents involving players that led to strained relationships and the return of organizational chaos in D.C. http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/16/wash ... ruce-allen
This one really never was about Snyder, as far as I can tell. It was about Allen and McCloughan, two guys who entered into a partnership two years ago founded in large part on trust, based on Allen’s history with McCloughan’s father and brother, whom he’d worked with around the turn of the century in Oakland.
That trust, as you can see, didn’t last long. And the Redskins are starting over. Again.
The writer is putting this mostly on Allen. But if these incidents involving the GM overstepping his bounds with players is true, doesn't that seem more like something the head coach would be complaining about than the team president?
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Scot McCloughan won one battle in Washington in August 2015. If he’d won two, maybe—maybe—the Redskins wouldn’t be in the mess they’re wading through now.
The then-GM met for five hours one night that summer to try and convince owner Dan Snyder and president Bruce Allen that the time had come, and the team needed to move from Robert Griffin III to Kirk Cousins. Soon thereafter, with Cousins installed as starter, and believing he was in for a big year, McCloughan made a second appeal to the team’s top brass.
Let’s extend Cousins now, he told them, so we’re not stuck holding the bag later.
Wow.
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riggofan wrote:Not to defend Snyder at all, but I have to admit I'm not completely seeing how he is to blame for the McCloughan thing. At least from what we've been told.
When the majority of everything you are "being told" come directly from Danny boy, it's hard to find fault. You have to read between the lines. Page #1 of the Danny boy playbook is how to publicly bash a guy he's just fired in an effort to create goodwill within the fanbase. He's done this literally everytime he's fired someone.... Schott, Turner, Zorn, Shanahan, and Scot.
And Danny boy is completely to blame for this mess (I don't think Scot's firing was a result of his drinking) because Danny boy is the one that implemented the FO structure. He should have known that two at the top doesn't work ---- regardless of how much one of both says "it will be fine". Anyone with a brain knows that the most important thing with management is communication --- especially when it comes to delegation of duties and hierarchy. Danny boy didn't do that or he didn't communicate it well. Either way, it's on him.
markshark84 wrote:And Danny boy is completely to blame for this mess (I don't think Scot's firing was a result of his drinking) because Danny boy is the one that implemented the FO structure. He should have known that two at the top doesn't work
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure we weren't the only team in the league with a team President and a general manager.
Damn it, man. Don't make me defend Snyder!!!
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If SM was drinking then Snyders' job is to fire his ass. There is no such thing as a competent, functioning, drunk. Comments on here imply a drunk SM is better than a sober FA, maybe he was for a while and the tipping point came a few weeks ago, we don't know. I do know that with SM gone there is an oppertunity to replace him with better, with SM here that oppertunity don't exist - you just got another drunk waiting to happen.
I'm no Snyder or Allen fan, but I don't find fault for them doing what they had to do.
The problem I see is that the FA is reacting, good management would have seen this coming last summer. People would have been consulted, preliminary interviews and a structure in place to take over. SM's #2 guy is supposed to be his replacement. That is management 101. And the FA tripped over their own feet.
markshark84 wrote:And Danny boy is completely to blame for this mess (I don't think Scot's firing was a result of his drinking) because Danny boy is the one that implemented the FO structure. He should have known that two at the top doesn't work
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure we weren't the only team in the league with a team President and a general manager.
Damn it, man. Don't make me defend Snyder!!!
They do, but Snyder put them in conflicting positions. That is the communication aspect I was referring to. What each of their overall duties and responsibilities were should have been VERY VERY VERY VERY clear from the outset. It is VERY VERY VERY VERY clear that this was not the case.
This goes to Danny boy's ability to manage a franchise. It is clear he has no clue what or how to do it. Setting parameters and functions of your staff is a key component of being a leader. And if you earn your staff's respect, they will stay in their lane. Clearly Danny boy hasn't earned anyone's respect.
oj wrote:If SM was drinking then Snyders' job is to fire his ass. There is no such thing as a competent, functioning, drunk. Comments on here imply a drunk SM is better than a sober FA, maybe he was for a while and the tipping point came a few weeks ago, we don't know. I do know that with SM gone there is an oppertunity to replace him with better, with SM here that oppertunity don't exist - you just got another drunk waiting to happen.
I'm no Snyder or Allen fan, but I don't find fault for them doing what they had to do.
I have yet to see any evidence that the drinking story is true. I'd like somebody to at least say something on the record before I would write what you just wrote. These leaks and rumors from "unnamed sources" should not be enough to slander that guy's reputation.
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oj wrote:If SM was drinking then Snyders' job is to fire his ass. There is no such thing as a competent, functioning, drunk. Comments on here imply a drunk SM is better than a sober FA, maybe he was for a while and the tipping point came a few weeks ago, we don't know. I do know that with SM gone there is an oppertunity to replace him with better, with SM here that oppertunity don't exist - you just got another drunk waiting to happen.
I'm no Snyder or Allen fan, but I don't find fault for them doing what they had to do.
I have yet to see any evidence that the drinking story is true. I'd like somebody to at least say something on the record before I would write what you just wrote. These leaks and rumors from "unnamed sources" should not be enough to slander that guy's reputation.
The drinking story is 100% untrue. By this I am not saying Scot was or was not drinking. What I mean is that the reason Scot was fired was not related to his drinking.
If drinking did not have anything to do with it ----- there is literally no way on earth you will hear the front office address it. Not even "we hope he can get the help he needs" or even mildly generic language that indirectly addresses it in any way. This is because the redskins would be sued for TONS (slander) by Scot --- and Scot would EASILY win that lawsuit. Now if it were true --- Scot wouldn't stand a chance in the courtroom. For me, that is the way I know drinking wasn't involved. Little Dan NEVER EVER misses an opportunity to trash an employee he just fired, so he wouldn't hesitate to do it to Scot. And the fact C00ley eluded to it (as am employee of the franchise with no repercussions) and still has a job tells you EXACTLY who leaked that false story......
The fact is our franchise is run by total and utter scumbags.
The fact the players are consistently siding with Scot tells you everything you need to know. It is VERY CLEAR that the players do not respect Dumb & Dumber 2.0
