Scot McCloughan officially fired by the Skins

[Burgundy&Wha?]

7:25PM 3-9-17 -- The scroll on NFL Network says Scot McCloughan has been fired by our Skins.


By the way, raise your hand if you'd like to jack Michael Silver in the jaw.

[DaSkinz Baby]

7:25PM 3-9-17 -- The scroll on NFL Network says Scot McCloughan has been fired by our Skins.


By the way, raise your hand if you'd like to jack Michael Silver in the jaw.

I just got an email Bruce Allen made it official. We officially have lost a true GM, our QB is on the way out, no true number one WR and we have signed a safety that doesn't mean much and two defensive line scrubs. Wow we suck again. These past two years taught Snyder nothing. We are back to beyond bad. Gruden will be fired for going 2-14. That's my bold prediction.

[SkinsJock]

we just lost the one guy that gave this franchise some credibility - the reports from various sources are all panning Bruce and Dan

what a mess - we're back into being a laughingstock franchise

[welch]

It's official:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71

Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.

Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.

[SkinsJock]

Scot may or may not have been drinking but one thing is true, Scot has forgotten more than Bruce or Dan will ever know about managing a franchise and about the players and coaches you need to be successful

[Countertrey]

It's official:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71

Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.

Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.

Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.

[SkinsJock]

this from Mike Jones ...

Mike Jones ✔@MikeJonesWaPo
I was told late in the season of jealousy by someone from up top and how they'd one day use McCloughan's drinking as an excuse to can him. Exactly what happened

I could care less - Scot drinking had more of a clue about how to manage a franchise than these 2 jealous bozos

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It's official:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71

Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.

Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.

Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.

I couldn't give one rat's ass if Scot McCloughan drinks. He's the only legitimate football person they've had in a football operations position in the last 18 years.

That's Dan Snyder's fault.

[Countertrey]

It's official:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71

Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.

Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.

Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.

I couldn't give one rat's ass if Scot McCloughan drinks. He's the only legitimate football person they've had in a football operations position in the last 18 years.

That's Dan Snyder's fault.

this is as stupid a response as I have ever seen. I doubt they give a rat's ass if he drinks, either... showing up drunk... or not showing up because drunk... different matter.

[hitmandm]

He is a drunk. He is stupid enough to draft a Guard top 5. His draft classes have been mediocre at best and his FA signings have basically sucked. He also has put the franchise over the barrel by not developing another QB behind the choke artist Cousins.

He has sucked as GM. He got fired. Totally makes sense.

Extending Gruden is the worst mistake this team has made this offseason so far.

[Burgundy&Wha?]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 75916f9f71

Redskins' "person with knowledge" says that Scot M has been drinking. Claim that he was drunk several times in the locker room. Others say that Bruce Allen is jealous.

Who knows? Does it matter? We've seen how Snyder runs the team. It's ugly and haphazard. Not the way Leonsis and the Lerner family operate their teams. I can't drop the Redskins -- have been a fan since about 1953 -- but I won't hope for much.

Unfortunately, I fear the former is most likely. Comments Scot made when hired suggested that relapse was a strong possibility. He had made a statement that he didn't need help with his sobriety (words to that effect)... my thought at that time was a single prohibited word. As much as I want to blame Snyder, I think it's premature.

I couldn't give one rat's ass if Scot McCloughan drinks. He's the only legitimate football person they've had in a football operations position in the last 18 years.

That's Dan Snyder's fault.

this is as stupid a response as I have ever seen. I doubt they give a rat's ass if he drinks, either... showing up drunk... or not showing up because drunk... different matter.[/quote]

Imagine the reactions of these high and mighty righteous reporters if McCloughan were still on the payroll next week and caused a fatality via drunk driving. They'd blame the team. I don't like defending Snyder or Allen -- they really don't deserve it -- but everyone should acknowledge that more than a fair share of the media will go out of their way to denigrate this team -- whether it's justified or not.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

this is as stupid a response as I have ever seen. I doubt they give a rat's ass if he drinks, either... showing up drunk... or not showing up because drunk... different matter.

Did you not understand it? Before McCloughan, Charley Casserly was the last real GM the Redskins had. That's Dan Snyder's fault. Why is that a stupid response?

[Irn-Bru]

I'm done with the team.

No, I'll still be watching and cheering this fall. But I have given up any hope of the team succeeding in the foreseeable future. Not until there is change starting at the top. Snyder wasted the best chance we had to get better in McCloughan. Total disaster and tragedy.

I'll be watching in the fall, but I'm not going to follow the team like I have in the past. I can't; they've taken away every reason I had to care aside from the fact that they are still the Redskins.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It's possible the team made up the alcoholism story entirely ...

http://deadspin.com/washington-fires-gm ... socialflow

[HEROHAMO]

In that report the teams rep claimed it's been a mess for 18 months with Scott.

If it's truly been that bad with Scott? Why is there no news of a replacement? If this front office Snyder/Allen thought Scott was a problem shouldn't they have planned for a competent replacement?

To me this reeks of Allens ego. No new GM means Allen thinks he can be a good GM.

Well I can only hope these bozos hire another qualified GM.

[DaSkinz Baby]

So they blame Scott's supposed drinking for cause but yet a coach that left to go with McVay says Bruce Allen brushes his teeth with Coors Light. The issue is they lied to Scott about the power he would have, Scott and his two SB rings got tired and told Bruce Allen to go off everytime they argued. Daniel Snyder of course has his nose up Bruce's ass because of who his father is and what he meant to the Redskins. Daniel Snyder is famous for picking the wrong person but the people he always picked are spineless. I am about to do something I never thought I would, and that is become a Dallas Cowboy fan. at the very least Jerry may pick his nose on national television but he knows how to run a team. This team is nothing of what it once was and I am finally sick and tired of being sick and tired and watching the worst owner in the NFL laugh all the way to the bank with my money. him I hope he drops dead.

[DEHog]

So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!

[DaSkinz Baby]

So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!

I respect your opinion but I feel your post is the exact reason why Snyder and Allen run this team the way it does with no regard for fans. The fact is Scott never stopped drinking and that is public knowledge. Did you not hear what a coach that left with McVay said about Bruce Allen? He brushes his teeth with Coors Light! Doesn't that tell you something? Or are you the type of person that always believes what you believe regardless of what others have seen for themselves? Let's also admit, a drunk Scott knows more about football players evaluation that Bruce and Daniel put together.

[DEHog]

So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!

I respect your opinion but I feel your post is the exact reason why Snyder and Allen run this team the way it does with no regard for fans. The fact is Scott never stopped drinking and that is public knowledge. Did you not hear what a coach that left with McVay said about Bruce Allen? He brushes his teeth with Coors Light! Doesn't that tell you something? Or are you the type of person that always believes what you believe regardless of what others have seen for themselves? Let's also admit, a drunk Scott knows more about football players evaluation that Bruce and Daniel put together.

No I’m the type of person that believes when someone needs help you help them! You don’t use them and then wait until it’s convenient to use it as an excuse. At the first sign his drinking was a problem they should have put him in rehab, the second time you let him go. Easy to talk about it now, but where was the talk while it was happening, the Skins PR machine is average at best, but they kept this under wraps the whole time...when was this public knowledge?

[DaSkinz Baby]

So we are to believe that the drinking has gone on during his entire tenure here? Not once did we hear about it, so the Skins enabled his drinking? I’m quite sure Scot had a moral clause in his contract about drinking; you’re not going to give millions to a guy with a known drinking problem without protecting your business. If that’s the case what changed this time….sorry but I struggle to believe this, the Skins are doing everything possible to resign Cousins, hard for me to not believe Scot is a casualty of that!

I respect your opinion but I feel your post is the exact reason why Snyder and Allen run this team the way it does with no regard for fans. The fact is Scott never stopped drinking and that is public knowledge. Did you not hear what a coach that left with McVay said about Bruce Allen? He brushes his teeth with Coors Light! Doesn't that tell you something? Or are you the type of person that always believes what you believe regardless of what others have seen for themselves? Let's also admit, a drunk Scott knows more about football players evaluation that Bruce and Daniel put together.

No I’m the type of person that believes when someone needs help you help them! You don’t use them and then wait until it’s convenient to use it as an excuse. At the first sign his drinking was a problem they should have put him in rehab, the second time you let him go. Easy to talk about it now, but where was the talk while it was happening, the Skins PR machine is average at best, but they kept this under wraps the whole time...when was this public knowledge?

Pretty much yes. It was public knowledge that Scott never stopped drinking and he admitted to that in The ESPN Magazine article. With respect to to offering help, people have to want help to get help, Scott feels as though he has a handle on it. Now did the public know he was at the games drunk? I doubt it but I know I pretty much am drunk at the game(s) All I know is that alcohol seems to flow rampant at Redskins Park and even a player has come out and said that Scott and Bruce are drunk there all the time, they are functioning alcoholics. The Redskins PR department sucks and let's be honest the handwriting was on the wall, Scott wasn't allowed to speak to the media, then wasn't at the combine. Meanwhile because the reporters are seeing things to do the old bait and switch what does Bruce Allen do, he speaks to the media (something he doesn't do nor does his like to do) speaking about how Kirk Cousins will sign a long term deal, but yet Kirk has bypassed Allen and went to Snyder asking for a trade. Then Bruce extends Jay Gruden and puts out a rumor about the Redskins signing Tony Romo. Sorry this is nothing but dysfunction. Bruce Allen is living off his fathers' merits and Snyder is dumb enough to fall for it hook line and sinker. We are again a laughing stock and Scott isn't the problem. Heckle and Jeckle are.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm not even sure the alcoholism story is true. Players would know if someone has been drinking. But if it is true the conversation probably went something like this:

"Scot, do you have a problem with alcoholism?"

"Not at all. Alcohol and I get along very well. Do you have a problem with my alcoholism?"

[oj]

If alcohol abuse is the real reason SM is fired then that is what Synder/Allen should have done, they did the right thing but chose the wrong time to do it. What the spin doctors would call 'bad optics'. If they had acted with authority and shown leadership there wouldn't be a media crises.
There was a problem, disiplanary actions have been taken, we are in the market for a new GM and qualified resumes are being accepted.

[DaSkinz Baby]

If alcohol abuse is the real reason SM is fired then that is what Synder/Allen should have done, they did the right thing but chose the wrong time to do it. What the spin doctors would call 'bad optics'. If they had acted with authority and shown leadership there wouldn't be a media crises.
There was a problem, disiplanary actions have been taken, we are in the market for a new GM and qualified resumes are being accepted.

The alcohol is just the PR spin. As you know Snyder has a habit of making everyone he fires the bad guy. Bruce Allen does just as much drinking as Scott. The issue is Scott would tell Bruce to off and held his ground. Bruce didn't like that. Snyder being the sniveling clown he is sided with Allen because of his father.

A couple players and coaches have made damning statements regarding Allen and the entire atmosphere at Redskins Park. It's a true dysfunctional circus. Scott never had the power promised and Allen's meddling got a boiling point where Scott basically told Allen to go he did it around players and people in the management office. That was when Allen started the him. Now they are trying to withhold his last 2 years of payment as well.

[Irn-Bru]

We have very little reason to believe the anonymous official is telling the truth and nearly every reason to believe he's smearing McCloughan on behalf of Allen and Snyder. I don't trust the Redskins' organization on this story for a minute and will believe Scot had done nothing wrong until proven otherwise.

[welch]

I'm done with the team.

No, I'll still be watching and cheering this fall. But I have given up any hope of the team succeeding in the foreseeable future. Not until there is change starting at the top. Snyder wasted the best chance we had to get better in McCloughan. Total disaster and tragedy.

I'll be watching in the fall, but I'm not going to follow the team like I have in the past. I can't; they've taken away every reason I had to care aside from the fact that they are still the Redskins.

Pretty much my feeling. So hopeless and unhappy that I can't even joke about having taken CT's chocolate milk money.

On Scot's performance as GM:

- drafting an OG in first round is a good idea. A previous Redskin GM drafted an OT in the first round, and traded a future number one for a current number three. The OT was Mark May and the OG was Russ Grimm.

- It appears that Scot wanted to extend Cousins a year (or longer) ago. That would have been the right move.

- Scot and Gruden insisted that Cousins start, rather than RGIII. The right move.

- I think he would have drafted DL this time. The Redskins seem to be fascinated by free agents. That's a loser.

Has Scot been drinking heavily? I don't know. If he has, then it's a disaster for him, personally. Some reports that he is a "functioning" alcoholic. Don't know that I've met anyone like that, and I have lived longer than most people on Hogs Net (first memory of the team is my dad explaining that Sammy Baugh has retired so Eddie Lebaron would be the QB). A "functioning alcoholic" sounds bad. Perhaps management worked hard to keep him sober, but if so, the Chris Cooley "speculation" is unethical.

If not, if Allen / Snyder want to be hands-on again? Argh....