PREDICTIONS on What Will Happen with Cousins

[markshark84]

To be honest your opinions suck. I doubt you have an athletic bone in your body.
Anybody with a clue who watched Kirk choke this last season can see as much. Had Gruden and Kirk got into the playoffs I wouldn't be saying this now. But the whole United States saw it unfold.

Take off your blinders and ask any non Redskins fan.

If you want to get personal --- I was a DI athlete (football) and member of the US national U19 rugby team (now U20). Played 4 varsity sports in high school (2 of which were for 4 years), team captain of 3. Member of my high school athletic HOF (not yet eligible for college HOF, which I have been told "I'd be considered" --- which most likely means I'm out, but IMHO I don't deserve to get in). I get offers to coach about ever 3-6 months down here in TX. So yeah --- not correct on the " I doubt you have an athletic bone in your body"..... And this just goes to show how little you know about talent evaluation ---- considering some of the top GMs weren't college or pro players.

If you hate Cousins and Gruden that's fine. But don't be an @sshole ---- especially a stupid @sshole who doesn't know WTF you're talking about. There are a half dozen teams that would pay him what he's asking and while I agree he choked against NYG (although the OL didn't help) ---- he was UNQUESTIONABLY the MVP of the team this past season. His VA score of 15 was 3 above the next redskin (TWilliams). And about 80% of the universe disagrees with you.

And sorry, but your "let's give up Cousins to be a poor man's Vikings" is straight idiotic. As I have said, this isn't 1982. The Gibbs era of football is long gone (outside the need to have a GREAT OL). Not sure how old you are, but you write like you're old and the game has passed you by. Either that or you just don't understand the game in general.

I am surrounded by non-skin fans. I am in TX and oddly enough, the HOU fans CONSTANTLY tell me how they'd love to have Cousins. Some of my DAL buddies tell me how they think Cousins is better than Matt Ryan --- which I disagree with. The sentiment on Cousins is STRONG --- and that includes opinions from fans in and out of DC as well as NFL/FO guys I know. And the pro-Cousins sentiment is actually stronger OUTSIDE DC, honestly --- mostly IMHO due to the remaining butt hurt RGIII guys.

So do everyone on this site a favor and think thru your opinions and don't be so shortsighted. Throwing away our best QB in decades to draft a RB and OL is crazy stupid --- especially considering how RBs are mostly products of their OLs. Also understand what the role of the FO is and there is a constant urgency on winning --- teams that are on the cusp of the playoffs don't have "2 year plans", especially when they have a owner as tyrannical as Danny boy. And without Cousins, this team is 6-10 AT BEST (more like 5-11) --- that is a general sentiment around those that I've discussed this with; not something I came up with. And Cousins was the ONLY guy that showed up in the GB playoff game last year. He's basically in his 2nd year and is leading a team that had a pre-existing culture of losing. After all, he did win 4 straight last year to get us to the playoffs....

Lastly, I'd recommend you not get personal on a venue as impersonal as the internet. Besides making you look like a whiny little b!tch, it merely shows how your position can't be held up by facts, so instead you hurl insults.

[DarthMonk]

... the transition tag ... gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

This is what i would do too. I think I have an answer but why WOULDN'T we do this?

[DarthMonk]

Update --- I just read that if Cousins comes to terms with another team while being tag as non-exclusive ---- then we only get a 3rd round compensatory pick.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

[Sonny9TD]

What he wants, and what he gets offered are two different things. No one is paying a 31 year old above avg WR 10 mill per. I just don't see it happening. I want a 7 figure salary and a corner office, but I don't think I'm getting it any time soon.

[Sonny9TD]

Update --- I just read that if Cousins comes to terms with another team while being tag as non-exclusive ---- then we only get a 3rd round compensatory pick.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

This is exactly what they should do.

[Sonny9TD]

What he wants, and what he gets offered are two different things. No one is paying a 31 year old above avg WR 10 mill per. I just don't see it happening. I want a 7 figure salary and a corner office, but I don't think I'm getting it any time soon.

No I don't think you will. But Garcon will get what he wants.

[DarthMonk]

Update --- I just read that if Cousins comes to terms with another team while being tag as non-exclusive ---- then we only get a 3rd round compensatory pick.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

This is exactly what they should do.

What is?

[Sonny9TD]

Transition tag that way we and him know what he would be offered from other teams. Can't be much more if more at all than the franchise tag would pay him. 22 million against this years cap to start with. The time to sign him to a long term contract was last year or after the this years transition tag.

[riggofan]

... the transition tag ... gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

This is what i would do too. I think I have an answer but why WOULDN'T we do this?

I don't know, man. Fear? The only actual reason I can see is some sort of hope that they can tag and trade him (which seems like a pipe dream to me). Is that what you think the answer is?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

... the transition tag ... gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

This is what i would do too. I think I have an answer but why WOULDN'T we do this?

I don't know, man. Fear? The only actual reason I can see is some sort of hope that they can tag and trade him (which seems like a pipe dream to me). Is that what you think the answer is?

Because Cousins would be signed in about two minutes for his current salary. To a long-term deal the Redskins are not willing to match.

They'd lose him for nothing.

[DEHog]

... the transition tag ... gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

This is what i would do too. I think I have an answer but why WOULDN'T we do this?

I don't know, man. Fear? The only actual reason I can see is some sort of hope that they can tag and trade him (which seems like a pipe dream to me). Is that what you think the answer is?

I can see it happening, just like the Champ Bailey deal!

[riggofan]

Because Cousins would be signed in about two minutes for his current salary. To a long-term deal the Redskins are not willing to match.

They'd lose him for nothing.

So what's going to change a year from now? That's my point. If they're not willing to sign him to a long term deal, then just move on.

[markshark84]

Update --- I just read that if Cousins comes to terms with another team while being tag as non-exclusive ---- then we only get a 3rd round compensatory pick.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

Here is where I got my info:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... f3e6669219

Sorry in reading it over, that was with respect to the transition tag.

You are absolutely correct.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Because Cousins would be signed in about two minutes for his current salary. To a long-term deal the Redskins are not willing to match.

They'd lose him for nothing.

So what's going to change a year from now? That's my point. If they're not willing to sign him to a long term deal, then just move on.

A year from now there might be a QB worth drafting. This year, by all accounts, there isn't. And even if there was the Skins don't have a high enough pick.

[riggofan]

A year from now there might be a QB worth drafting. This year, by all accounts, there isn't. And even if there was the Skins don't have a high enough pick.

I was reading today about the possibility of the 49ers trading their #2 for Cousins and our #17 this year. HATE that idea but I can absolutely see it happening.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

A year from now there might be a QB worth drafting. This year, by all accounts, there isn't. And even if there was the Skins don't have a high enough pick.

I was reading today about the possibility of the 49ers trading their #2 for Cousins and our #17 this year. HATE that idea but I can absolutely see it happening.

I see SI is throwing this rumor around. It doesn't matter how many picks the Skins get if they trade Cousins.

They're not getting a starting QB.

If that happens, here we go again with the QB carousel.

[SkinsJock]

and let's stop with the "we should have signed him last year..." crap - it's true but what the hell good does it do to remind everyone

that's like posting that we should have drafted Tom Brady in the 5th round when he was available

Let's get whatever we can for Cousins - not having a good starting QB just means we have to find one

having Cousins play QB was not making anyone think we have a shot at the Super Bowl - he's good but he's not that good

[markshark84]

A year from now there might be a QB worth drafting. This year, by all accounts, there isn't. And even if there was the Skins don't have a high enough pick.

I was reading today about the possibility of the 49ers trading their #2 for Cousins and our #17 this year. HATE that idea but I can absolutely see it happening.

For that, I'd rather keep him under the tag for a year and kiss his @ss and hope the FO can change his mind to sign a LTD. Your basically swapping 1st rd picks and giving up a franchise QB --- horrible deal.

If it comes to that, put the non-exclusive tag up and match the offersheet. Then again, teams are smart....

And for the record, I was on board for offering him a 4 year, 90M deal with $40M guaranteed last offseason..... but I'm sure based on my posts, most who know that; I just thought putting in the #s was important.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

For that, I'd rather keep him under the tag for a year and kiss his @ss and hope the FO can change his mind to sign a LTD. Your basically swapping 1st rd picks and giving up a franchise QB --- horrible deal.

If it comes to that, put the non-exclusive tag up and match the offersheet. Then again, teams are smart....

And for the record, I was on board for offering him a 4 year, 90M deal with $40M guaranteed last offseason..... but I'm sure based on my posts, most who know that; I just thought putting in the #s was important.

Yup. Cousins has two options. Perform again under the tag or learn to bag groceries.

Who gives a damn if he wants to play for the Skins. It's not his decision.

[HEROHAMO]

To be honest your opinions suck. I doubt you have an athletic bone in your body.
Anybody with a clue who watched Kirk choke this last season can see as much. Had Gruden and Kirk got into the playoffs I wouldn't be saying this now. But the whole United States saw it unfold.

Take off your blinders and ask any non Redskins fan.

If you want to get personal --- I was a DI athlete (football) and member of the US national U19 rugby team (now U20). Played 4 varsity sports in high school (2 of which were for 4 years), team captain of 3. Member of my high school athletic HOF (not yet eligible for college HOF, which I have been told "I'd be considered" --- which most likely means I'm out, but IMHO I don't deserve to get in). I get offers to coach about ever 3-6 months down here in TX. So yeah --- not correct on the " I doubt you have an athletic bone in your body"..... And this just goes to show how little you know about talent evaluation ---- considering some of the top GMs weren't college or pro players.

If you hate Cousins and Gruden that's fine. But don't be an @sshole ---- especially a stupid @sshole who doesn't know WTF you're talking about. There are a half dozen teams that would pay him what he's asking and while I agree he choked against NYG (although the OL didn't help) ---- he was UNQUESTIONABLY the MVP of the team this past season. His VA score of 15 was 3 above the next redskin (TWilliams). And about 80% of the universe disagrees with you.

And sorry, but your "let's give up Cousins to be a poor man's Vikings" is straight idiotic. As I have said, this isn't 1982. The Gibbs era of football is long gone (outside the need to have a GREAT OL). Not sure how old you are, but you write like you're old and the game has passed you by. Either that or you just don't understand the game in general.

I am surrounded by non-skin fans. I am in TX and oddly enough, the HOU fans CONSTANTLY tell me how they'd love to have Cousins. Some of my DAL buddies tell me how they think Cousins is better than Matt Ryan --- which I disagree with. The sentiment on Cousins is STRONG --- and that includes opinions from fans in and out of DC as well as NFL/FO guys I know. And the pro-Cousins sentiment is actually stronger OUTSIDE DC, honestly --- mostly IMHO due to the remaining butt hurt RGIII guys.

So do everyone on this site a favor and think thru your opinions and don't be so shortsighted. Throwing away our best QB in decades to draft a RB and OL is crazy stupid --- especially considering how RBs are mostly products of their OLs. Also understand what the role of the FO is and there is a constant urgency on winning --- teams that are on the cusp of the playoffs don't have "2 year plans", especially when they have a owner as tyrannical as Danny boy. And without Cousins, this team is 6-10 AT BEST (more like 5-11) --- that is a general sentiment around those that I've discussed this with; not something I came up with. And Cousins was the ONLY guy that showed up in the GB playoff game last year. He's basically in his 2nd year and is leading a team that had a pre-existing culture of losing. After all, he did win 4 straight last year to get us to the playoffs....

Lastly, I'd recommend you not get personal on a venue as impersonal as the internet. Besides making you look like a whiny little b!tch, it merely shows how your position can't be held up by facts, so instead you hurl insults.

So much garbage from a benchwarmer probably waterboy. All I did was say that your opinions sucked and suggested you were unathletic. But you got butthurt and spewed out your true colors. I don't even know you but I must have hit some truth for you to respond in such a way.

Anytime anyone has anything negative to say about Kirks play you get butthurt. Yet all I have ever said about him was the truth.

I'll support any player who can bring a SuperBowl to this team.

I've said before that we should offer Kirk a contract just not as the highest paid player in NFL history.

Keeping Kirk with a reasonable contract would be smart and I've said that many times.

Your the one who can't face the possibility of this team losing Kirk for a couple draft picks.

I didn't create this situation moron! Kirk himself wants to get tagged!

So I advocate for the Skins to get as much compensation in the event that Kirk leaves and how is that stupid?

So the Gibbs era is over? Newsflash Gibbs is still the last coach to win a playoff game for this team. Even Gibbs 2.0 got us a playoff win. Gruden and Kirk still have not won a playoff game.

What exactly are you implying by Gibbs era is over?
If you mean a strong running game and good defense can't win championships anymore you're wrong.

Just watch what's going to happen in Dallas the next ten years. Dallas is going to lead the league in rushing and probably win a SuperBowl or two and dominate the league. With the same formula Gibbs started. What bothers me most is that Dallas basically copied what Gibbs did. Now Dallas is basically going to do it all over again.

Football is not complicated at all. Sorry to break it you. You get the most physically imposing front seven on both sides of the ball and you'll win 9 out of ten times.

You see I'm not your regular Redskins fan from D.C.
I come from Los Angeles. Lakers town. Ten plus championships. USC proud tradition of winning.

Not just you but many Skins fans especially young have become so used to the Snyder era of losing. So much so that when a mediocre Redskins team comes along they are satisfied. They are so fearful of returning to irrelevance that they will settle for the best in a long time even if it's not good enough.

You can call me whatever names you want doesn't bother me. I guess I started it.

[riggofan]

and let's stop with the "we should have signed him last year..." crap - it's true but what the hell good does it do to remind everyone

that's like posting that we should have drafted Tom Brady in the 5th round when he was available

No, it's not remotely like that - that's a completely BS argument. I'm one who was banging on my keyboard all last year that we needed to sign him because it was only going to get more expensive and more difficult. I guarantee you I can pull up messages on this board arguing that we were going to screw ourselves this year by not getting it done. There are tons of media guys like Kevin Sheehan, Chris Russell, etc; who were making this EXACT point last year while people (not mentioning names) were saying, "no, no, no we'll let him prove it and THEN we'll get him to take a cheap contract".

The issue isn't that the team wasn't Nostradamus and couldn't predict that 5th round pick Tom Brady would end up being the greatest QB ever. The issue is that THIS situation was completely predictable and obvious. Its playing out EXACTLY like we all said it would.

We have an above average QB who has leveraged himself into position to get whatever he wants and possibly be the highest paid QB in the league. You can't be on here extolling the greatness of our front office and "trust in Scot" and all of that crap without acknowledging that they COMPLETELY screwed up with Cousins.

The good it does is not to remind people about coulda/shoulda. Its to remind people that our FO still has major brain power issues. We seem to be forgetting that just because we made the playoffs a year ago.

[DEHog]

For that, I'd rather keep him under the tag for a year and kiss his @ss and hope the FO can change his mind to sign a LTD. Your basically swapping 1st rd picks and giving up a franchise QB --- horrible deal.

If it comes to that, put the non-exclusive tag up and match the offersheet. Then again, teams are smart....

And for the record, I was on board for offering him a 4 year, 90M deal with $40M guaranteed last offseason..... but I'm sure based on my posts, most who know that; I just thought putting in the #s was important.

Yup. Cousins has two options. Perform again under the tag or learn to bag groceries.

Who gives a damn if he wants to play for the Skins. It's not his decision.

As I said he can force a trade much like Champ did...so I'd say he has options...

[DarthMonk]

... the transition tag ... gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

This is what i would do too. I think I have an answer but why WOULDN'T we do this?

I don't know, man. Fear? The only actual reason I can see is some sort of hope that they can tag and trade him (which seems like a pipe dream to me). Is that what you think the answer is?

Here's the only reason I can think of for not applying the transition tag - and I don't think it is a great reason.

Since a team would not have to cough up two first round picks as part of the deal a suitor could truly offer him the moon.

My personal feeling is it's only money so let the market determine what he's worth instead of his agent telling us what he's worth.

I think the only way Kirk could be a dick in this scenario would be to turn down the moon from some other team and insist on playing for us under the transition tag.

[PAPDOG67]

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Just watch what's going to happen in Dallas the next ten years. Dallas is going to lead the league in rushing and probably win a SuperBowl or two and dominate the league. With the same formula Gibbs started. What bothers me most is that Dallas basically copied what Gibbs did. Now Dallas is basically going to do it all over again.

Football is not complicated at all. Sorry to break it you. You get the most physically imposing front seven on both sides of the ball and you'll win 9 out of ten times.
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Sorry man, but football doesn't work like that anymore. There have been plenty of teams who have won the SB recently without very intimidating front sevens on either side of the ball.

[SkinsJock]

the FO and Cousins' camp are far apart in their evaluation of what Cousins is worth so they both are posturing to get the most out of a situation where Cousins' camp 'know' they have all the leverage - this means a lot more to the fans than it does to the FO
the FO doesn't care because they have never really thought that Cousins is, or will be, a really good NFL QB

despite the obvious importance of having 'a good NFL QB' this FO seems fixated on a path that gets them the most they can because they want to find a better QB than Cousins - it would be 'easier' with him here but I doubt that either he or the FO will coexist for much longer