PREDICTIONS on What Will Happen with Cousins

[DarthMonk]

Kirk Cousins - QB - Redskins

According to ESPN Redskins reporter John Keim, there's a "good chance" free agent Kirk Cousins will command a pricier contract than Andrew Luck.

Luck signed the largest contract in NFL history last offseason, landing $140 million over six years with $87 million guaranteed. Cousins has a real chance to top that if he and the Redskins reach a long-term deal. With salary caps on the rise, Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, and Matthew Stafford are all looking at enormous forthcoming pay days. It's a good time to be an NFL franchise quarterback.

Source: ESPN.com Feb 11 - 9:59 AM

[SkinsJock]

There's no problem with the size of Kirk Cousins deal - most everyone knows that he's going to get a lot more than he's worth - like the man said "it's a good time to be a good NFL QB" - there will be a number of QBs in the next few years getting even bigger deals than Cousins gets

salary caps will continue to go up - all that matters is making sure we structure the deal so we can pay all the other players we need as well

[HEROHAMO]

Absolutely not!
No way should we make Kirk the highest paid Qb.

The franchise tag makes the most sense unless Kirk accepts a deal that our F.O. thinks is fair.

Kyle Shanahan is interested. However he may not want to give up 2 first round picks. Even so if the 49ers offered this year's 1st and a 2nd or 3rd we should take it. Two 1st round picks can change the team immediately.

Look at what Dallas did.

[markshark84]

Absolutely not!
No way should we make Kirk the highest paid Qb.

The franchise tag makes the most sense unless Kirk accepts a deal that our F.O. thinks is fair.

Kyle Shanahan is interested. However he may not want to give up 2 first round picks. Even so if the 49ers offered this year's 1st and a 2nd or 3rd we should take it. Two 1st round picks can change the team immediately.

Look at what Dallas did.

I guess in a way you are 100% correct ---- those picks would make us immediately go from a playoff contender, to a bottom 5 club. If we got rid of Cousins and then drafted players similar to Scherff/Doctson ---- that would only make our team SIGNIFICANTLY worse. DAL is a different story completely and don't get the analogy. Are you saying that if we use 3 first round picks in 3 of the next 4 years on our OL (on top of their 2007 draft pick) to create the undisputed best OL in the game, then use the current 1st rounder to draft the best RB to come out since perhaps Pederson (or to run behind that OL), then draft a decent QB randomly in the later rounds, and play a last place schedule --- then we can count on being bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs..... Not sure 2 picks will do all that......

I agree that Cousins should not get a Luck deal --- no way. It needs to be team friendly ---- which can be done and he gets what he wants.

I however do not agree that we should franchise him --- unless we are willing to pay him 33M next year. You don't waste 2 1st round picks to keep Cousins for 1 year ---- because if he plays under the franchise tag in 2017, he's 100% gone in 2018..... and we get nothing for it.

[EA7649]

According to Jason Reid, Kirk wants out. If he was fake about wanting to be here, there is no way a long-term deal is coming his way. Hopefully we get a good trade. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/7486

[SkinsJock]

the Redskins would like to sign him to a long term deal but if he does not want to be here, I'd hope we can get 2 #1's for him and move on

Whether Kirk Cousins is here or not ...
we're certainly not a Super Bowl team this season
PLUS
we still need to find ourselves a good QB to build around
AND
we need to try and keep all the good players we have and continue to make this franchise better

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

According to Jason Reid, Kirk wants out. If he was fake about wanting to be here, there is no way a long-term deal is coming his way. Hopefully we get a good trade. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/7486

That's not Kirk Cousins saying he doesn't want to be a Redskin. That's some doofus who used to work for the team and who now works for a different team, a team that would probably like to have Kirk Cousins.

[riggofan]

According to Jason Reid, Kirk wants out. If he was fake about wanting to be here, there is no way a long-term deal is coming his way. Hopefully we get a good trade. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/7486

That's not Kirk Cousins saying he doesn't want to be a Redskin. That's some doofus who used to work for the team and who now works for a different team, a team that would probably like to have Kirk Cousins.

Totally agree, BGF. I will say though, Kirk has been here - what? - five years? Would it be that surprising if Kirk or any other player was sick of working for that organization?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

According to Jason Reid, Kirk wants out. If he was fake about wanting to be here, there is no way a long-term deal is coming his way. Hopefully we get a good trade. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/7486

That's not Kirk Cousins saying he doesn't want to be a Redskin. That's some doofus who used to work for the team and who now works for a different team, a team that would probably like to have Kirk Cousins.

Totally agree, BGF. I will say though, Kirk has been here - what? - five years? Would it be that surprising if Kirk or any other player was sick of working for that organization?

It would absolutely be fair to say that Cousins is sick of being strung along. He's done everything he's been asked to do.

Every time they've said "Prove It" he has proven it.

Pay the man.

[SkinsJock]

Kirk has been here - what? - five years? Would it be that surprising if Kirk or any other player was sick of working for that organization?

not really - make the guy a good offer and if he decides not to take it we move on - be a bit of a shame but it's not like we are going to be a lot different with or without Kirk Cousins - nobody can blame Cousins for thinking that he's proven that he's worth a lot of money and that he should get paid and the FO can't be faulted for wanting to give Cousins a good deal but not one that affects them paying all the other players we need as well

a good thing this will all be over soon

[EA7649]

According to Jason Reid, Kirk wants out. If he was fake about wanting to be here, there is no way a long-term deal is coming his way. Hopefully we get a good trade. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/7486

That's not Kirk Cousins saying he doesn't want to be a Redskin. That's some doofus who used to work for the team and who now works for a different team, a team that would probably like to have Kirk Cousins.

Oh okay.

[DEHog]

I however do not agree that we should franchise him --- unless we are willing to pay him 33M next year. You don't waste 2 1st round picks to keep Cousins for 1 year ---- because if he plays under the franchise tag in 2017, he's 100% gone in 2018..... and we get nothing for it.

This
If Cousins doesn't sign a LTD this year, you have to allow him to try and work out a deal with another team (that we trade him to...Because I don't see a team giving up 2 number 1's). This also will give everyone a true picture of what Cousins value is on the FA market. Better to get a few picks this year than nothing next year!!

[riggofan]

Kirk has been here - what? - five years? Would it be that surprising if Kirk or any other player was sick of working for that organization?

not really - make the guy a good offer and if he decides not to take it we move on - be a bit of a shame but it's not like we are going to be a lot different with or without Kirk Cousins - nobody can blame Cousins for thinking that he's proven that he's worth a lot of money and that he should get paid and the FO can't be faulted for wanting to give Cousins a good deal but not one that affects them paying all the other players we need as well

I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about the quality of your work place. If you have the opportunity to choose where you work, wouldn't you be more likely to choose the company where your boss is not a complete nightmare? Of course you would.

[SkinsJock]

If you have the opportunity to choose where you work, wouldn't you be more likely to choose the company where your boss is not a complete nightmare? Of course you would.

absolutely! IF he wants to be here he will sign a LTD, if not ... c'est la vie ... time to go to Plan B

sooo - we try & sign him to a long term deal - we certainly DON'T want him playing here for a year at some stupid $ figure and then leaving



we either sign him to a long term deal or we get whatever we can for him - I'd love to get 2 first round picks but I doubt we'd get it

[riggofan]

sooo - we try & sign him to a long term deal - we certainly DON'T want him playing here for a year at some stupid $ figure and then leaving

I agree with what you're saying - or what I think you're saying here. They can tag him while they're negotiating, but I personally don't think they should play him on the tag again this year. Just don't see the point.

I heard the idea floated that they should just put the transition tag on him and get this over with. Let him test the market and see what kind of offer he can really get. The team gets to match that offer or let him walk then. At least they're not in limbo at that point.

[SkinsJock]

sooo - we try & sign him to a long term deal - we certainly DON'T want him playing here for a year at some stupid $ figure and then leaving

I personally don't think they should play him on the tag again this year. Just don't see the point. I heard the idea floated that they should just put the transition tag on him and get this over with. Let him test the market and see what kind of offer he can really get. The team gets to match that offer or let him walk then. At least they're not in limbo at that point.

I'm not sure why they haven't been more transparent with this

[riggofan]

I'm not sure why they haven't been more transparent with this

Thought about that some too, but I don't think they can. If you put the franchise tag on him and say "we're either going to get a deal done or release you in July", that kind of screws up the little bit of leverage you have.

The frustrating part of this whole thing is that there's a good chance won't see it resolved until the summer. Last possible minute. Won't that be fun? hah.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Starting quarterbacks don't just show up, especially for this franchise.

If he wants to screw around on a long-term deal you franchise tag him this season.

And you transition tag him next season.

There isn't a team in the league paying the 2018 transition tag price for Kirk Cousins.

[riggofan]

Starting quarterbacks don't just show up, especially for this franchise.

If he wants to screw around on a long-term deal you franchise tag him this season.

And you transition tag him next season.

There isn't a team in the league paying the 2018 transition tag price for Kirk Cousins.

The only team that would have to pay the transition tag price is the Redskins. All the transition tag does is gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Starting quarterbacks don't just show up, especially for this franchise.

If he wants to screw around on a long-term deal you franchise tag him this season.

And you transition tag him next season.

There isn't a team in the league paying the 2018 transition tag price for Kirk Cousins.

The only team that would have to pay the transition tag price is the Redskins. All the transition tag does is gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

I think the transition tag in 2018 would be cheaper than the franchise tag or even a long-term contract.

Usually the 2nd year of a QB contract is extremely hard on the cap.

[markshark84]

I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about the quality of your work place. If you have the opportunity to choose where you work, wouldn't you be more likely to choose the company where your boss is not a complete nightmare? Of course you would.

That is my fear. If it were me and I'd have 4 or 5 different options outside of working for one of the worse owners in all of sports, then yeah, I'd highly consider those options. And if I were super confident and was tagged, I'd just play out the tag and get paid next year ---- especially considering I'd be set for life at that point with $40M in the bank.

On that note, if you don't want to play for Snyder, you wouldn't want to play for the SF owner either..... Those 2 appear to be cut from the same cloth. The fact it's a 6 year deal for Kyle means little when it comes to ownership. Kyle is a great OC, but I'm not sure how he'd be as an HC and with a very green DC, there will be some serious learning curves ahead. If improvement isn't seen in 2 years, he could easily be fired and considering the fact he'd still be a sought after OC, I am sure there are concessions in his SF contract for salary reimbursement/offset if he takes another position --- which would make firing him earlier actually more attractive.

That being said, HOU is an organization run very well (although people here don't like Rick Smith, which I don't really understand) and they can cut Osweiler next year with no consequences. Same with DEN and KC re being run well and solid coaching. If it were me, I'd be happy to play under the tag and sign with HOU/DEN/KC next year for solid $$$ (although KC may not have the cap space). HOU has the space, but I've heard they may draft QB this year; which would make going there an obstacle for Cousins. I don't see an advantage to playing in LA or SF vs. playing for Danny boy.

I have heard Cousins say that he'd like to be back in DC "under the right conditions". I wonder what those "conditions" are, but if it were me, they would revolve around Scot being the GM long-term and a HIGHLY guaranteed LTD that makes it fiscally impossible for us to either sign or use a high draft pick on a QB in the next 3 seasons. I'd also want Gruden as HC, but that wouldn't be as important as keeping Scot.

But yeah --- the fact we have arguably the worst owner in all of sports doesn't help keeping talent ---- especially QB talent in a game where QBs can have as much input to the team as a coach. If it were me, I'd totally walk as Danny boy's personality isn't one that would mesh well with me. I also don't like how he runs the organization --- I have been a HARSH critic ever since his hostile takeover of the franchise. And I knew we were screwed after his orchestration of the Jeff George signing....

[SkinsJock]

no matter what "happens" with Cousins the Redskins need to get another QB ready ASAP

[DEHog]

Starting quarterbacks don't just show up, especially for this franchise.

If he wants to screw around on a long-term deal you franchise tag him this season.

And you transition tag him next season.

There isn't a team in the league paying the 2018 transition tag price for Kirk Cousins.

The only team that would have to pay the transition tag price is the Redskins. All the transition tag does is gives the Redskins the right to match any offer from another team.

Personally I think they should do that now. Let the market set the price on a long term deal and decide if you're willing to pay it or not.

Yep totally agree!!

[riggofan]

On that note, if you don't want to play for Snyder, you wouldn't want to play for the SF owner either.....

That's a damn good point. Probably safe to say about several of the teams that might be interested in Cousins. Cleveland, NYJ, etc;

[DEHog]

On that note, if you don't want to play for Snyder, you wouldn't want to play for the SF owner either.....

That's a damn good point. Probably safe to say about several of the teams that might be interested in Cousins. Cleveland, NYJ, etc;

Maybe, but at least Kyle is not coaching for his job this year. Cousins may not like the uncertainty of Gruden not being here if he were to sign a LTD?