Kirk Cousins to Pro Bowl

[markshark84]

Cousins has been named as Ryan's alternate. Most had him as a Pro Bowl "snub" anyway.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... n-pro-bowl

How many QBs have we had make the pro bowl in the past 30 years? I know RGIII and Rypien but not sure if anyone else has been invited.

As time moves on, I have this sinking feeling we're going to franchise Cousins this offseason --- and if we do, we will either trade him for picks this year (more likely) or he is gone in 2018. I am not sure WTF our FO is mulling over here. They need to lock Cousins up now.

Two of Cousins OCs are now HCs and both would take him in a second (I guess you can't call Cousins a "coach killer" similar to some other QBs we've had in the past). McVay is handcuffed with Goff, but Kyle WILL make a play for him. I personally think Kyle would trade his #2 and potentially his first rounder next year for him. And if I were Kyle, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat --- because all he'd be essentially giving up is a 2018 first rounder in exchange for a top 10 QB. That is a no brainer.

That being said, I honestly just don't think Cousins wants to be here. If he did, IMHO he would have signed OR we'd be hearing things far more definitive from him via social media. And honestly, I can't blame him. He was initially drafted as a "statement piece" by Shanahan in response to the RGIII drafting by Danny boy, then overlooked and discounted for years while he had to watch an inferior QB, then he was thrown into some weird QB competition in 2014, then benched as #3 (most say due to Danny boy's influence), to finally get named the starter a couple weeks before the 2015 season, produced HUGE in 2015 to be requested to "show it again" in 2016, then he did ---- and we are still here. Cousins has been within the franchise longer than 99% of the existing players and coaching staff and knows the franchise culture (i.e., Danny boy) better than anyone. I think he is questioning whether he wants to play his entire career within that culture. I don't blame him --- as IMHO, Danny boy is an unethical, impatient, and a horrible leader.

I have always tried to remain optimistic, but it appears Scot & Co. are "playing games" ---- which is never a smart move. So much so that I wonder whether Danny boy is getting involved via his puppet Bruce Allen. If we don't resign Cousins, I will actually retract my support for Scot as it will show his inability to understand the QB position --- see his #1 pick of Alex Smith.

[SkinsJock]

... I honestly just don't think Cousins wants to be here. If he did, IMHO he would have signed OR we'd be hearing things far more definitive from him via social media. I can't blame him. He was initially drafted as a "statement piece" by Shanahan in response to the RGIII drafting by Danny boy, then overlooked and discounted for years while he had to watch an inferior QB, then he was thrown into some weird QB competition in 2014, then benched as #3 (most say due to Danny boy's influence), to finally get named the starter a couple weeks before the 2015 season, produced HUGE in 2015 to be requested to "show it again" in 2016, then he did ---- and we are still here. Cousins has been within the franchise longer than 99% of the existing players and coaching staff and knows the franchise culture (i.e., Danny boy) better than anyone. I think he is questioning whether he wants to play his entire career within that culture. I don't blame him --- as IMHO, Danny boy is an unethical, impatient, and a horrible leader.
If we don't resign Cousins, I will actually retract my support for Scot as it will show his inability to understand the QB position --- see his #1 pick of Alex Smith.

WOW

If Cousins does not want to be here, I hope they make him a decent offer and then ensure they get the 2 1st round picks - SEE YA

I don't think he's going to get much better and if the reason he's not playing well in some games is because he does not want to play here, then I hope we can get something/anything for his stupid ass

[El Mexican]

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Brad Johnson was also picked for the Pro Bowl after his superb 1999 season.

So yeah, it would not be the first time we've had clear on-field talent and let it go for different reasons.

Same goes for Trent Green. He had a very good 1998 season and then left in FA (no Pro Bowl, though).

This time, however, we can actually get something out of the trade, instead of just letting the QB walk.

As you have said, both sides are playing the "waiting game", something that ultimately leads to sourness between both parties.

[HEROHAMO]

In those days they did not have the franchise tag.

[riggofan]

That being said, I honestly just don't think Cousins wants to be here. If he did, IMHO he would have signed OR we'd be hearing things far more definitive from him via social media.

1) What exactly would he have signed already? The only offer he had to sign was a ridiculously low ball offer early last year that neither side believed was serious.
2) If you're negotiating your next contract would you REALLY want to be on social media proclaiming how much you want to stay with this team at any cost? Do you see Garcon doing that? Jackson?

The onus is all on the team right now to make him a competitive offer or tag him.

Personally I don't like or agree with this game McCloughan seems to be playing with Kirk. He's pretty clearly been out there leaking to the press that he thinks Cousins is just the product of a good system and is replaceable. For all I know, he's right but I'm going to be pissed off mightily if he's wrong.

[StorminMormon86]

"In Scot we trust"?

I don't think so. He's behind any and every leak concerning Cousins since his arrival here. If we let Cousins go, I agree with what C00ley has been saying: SM has a one year prove it year. If we fail (which most likely we will with Colt McCoy), SM needs to go.

[PAPDOG67]

So the franchise finally gets a modicum of stability, and we want to blow that up already. Makes sense.

[Deadskins]

"In Scot we trust"?

I don't think so. He's behind any and every leak concerning Cousins since his arrival here. If we let Cousins go, I agree with what C00ley has been saying: SM has a one year prove it year. If we fail (which most likely we will with Colt McCoy), SM needs to go.

Danny, is that you?

[EA7649]

Please! He's not a pro bowl person he's a reserve filling in for a player. It's just another fact to use to get a higher salary. Hmm. That's like a guy asking a girl out and getting rejected. Then bouncing back to get another girl to say yes. You certainly have that label now

[Deadskins]

Please! He's not a pro bowl person he's a reserve filling in for a player. It's just another fact to use to get a higher salary. Hmm. That's like a guy asking a girl out and getting rejected. Then bouncing back to get another girl to say yes. You certainly have that label now

Who is "you?"

[EA7649]

Please! He's not a pro bowl person he's a reserve filling in for a player. It's just another fact to use to get a higher salary. Hmm. That's like a guy asking a girl out and getting rejected. Then bouncing back to get another girl to say yes. You certainly have that label now

Who is "you?"

Hypothetical example you get a girl on a date so that's the label. Kirk gets that label pro bowl on his resume.

[markshark84]

That being said, I honestly just don't think Cousins wants to be here. If he did, IMHO he would have signed OR we'd be hearing things far more definitive from him via social media.

1) What exactly would he have signed already? The only offer he had to sign was a ridiculously low ball offer early last year that neither side believed was serious.
2) If you're negotiating your next contract would you REALLY want to be on social media proclaiming how much you want to stay with this team at any cost? Do you see Garcon doing that? Jackson?

The onus is all on the team right now to make him a competitive offer or tag him.

Personally I don't like or agree with this game McCloughan seems to be playing with Kirk. He's pretty clearly been out there leaking to the press that he thinks Cousins is just the product of a good system and is replaceable. For all I know, he's right but I'm going to be pissed off mightily if he's wrong.

The season has been over for nearly a month. Since then, we have heard nothing but speculation that Cousins will be traded. Allen's statements yesterday were the first sign from our FO that we actually want to retain Cousins. And honestly, due to the timing, they are suspect at best. If Scot & Co. were making this as much a priority as they should be, this thing would have been closed before last year's season ended or at the very least, we'd be hearing that things are progressing to the point of closure.

Historically, when QBs re-sign, they either do it the year before their final season via an extension or shortly after the season --- however, Cousins' situation is extraordinarily uncommon. They have to franchise him by March 1. Therefore, you'd expect they'd have gotten through the majority of the contract negotiations by Feb. 1 --- which doesn't appear to be the case. In fact, we have heard nothing of the sort. And in situations where contracts stall or are drawn out or the front office allows the player to hit the market ---- basically 100% of the time some desperate team makes a desperate deal and poof they're gone; see Osweiler, Brock. And if we non-exclusive him, I could easily see a DEN/HOU/etc. (i.e., teams with low draft picks) make a big offer and happily give up those picks. Or even SF do it as they most likely would have to give up those picks anyway. Essentially, as of March 1, Cousins becomes a free agent, driving up his price. Perhaps that is what Cousins wants and why we haven't heard much. And if that is the case, I don't like it.

And if I was negotiating my next contract, yes, I would put on facebook or instagram or whatever social media platform, that I want to be a redskin for life ---- knowing full well that what I put on there has ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on the contract negotiations. It would basically be done so that the fans know how much I want to stay here (whether that is true or not) --- that's it. That way, if negotiations fail, I'm not the bad guy...... The FO failed the fans, not me --- after all, the fans will never truly know what went on in negotiations.

Besides, when it comes to the negotiating table, none of that noise matters. How much you "love" being a skin or not is irrelevant. At the end of the day, Scot has a #, Cousins & agent have a #. The art is finding out how low/high each party is willing to go. That process takes a VERY long time. Much longer than 30 days.....

Ultimately, it is my opinion that if the negotiations were going well, we'd hear it. There would be noise from some connected member of the media. Right now, there's nothing. Historically, that is not a good thing considering the fact if the skins non-exclusive him, there is only 30 days left to be the only team negotiating with him.....

[SkinsJock]

there will not be a long term deal unless Cousins will accept that he's not as good as he thinks (or he's being made out to be)

we most likely tag him and he plays 1 more year or we get 2 1st round picks

[StorminMormon86]

"In Scot we trust"?

I don't think so. He's behind any and every leak concerning Cousins since his arrival here. If we let Cousins go, I agree with what C00ley has been saying: SM has a one year prove it year. If we fail (which most likely we will with Colt McCoy), SM needs to go.

Danny, is that you?

Nope, not Danny.

Just someone who refuses to blindly drink the Scot can do no wrong kool aid on a regular basis.

[SkinsJock]

there will not be a long term deal unless Cousins will accept that he's not as good as he thinks (or he's being made out to be)

we most likely tag him and he plays 1 more year or we get 2 1st round picks

this FO is far from being infallible but since they have taken over one of the 3 worst franchises in the NFL (in 2014) we have become a franchise that is vastly improved - we have a lot of issues to address and while having a good QB like Cousins would be a good thing the team isn't going to suddenly become a bad franchise again without him

this franchise is gaining respectability and will continue to improve as long as Dan Snyder lets them call the shots

[riggofan]

Ultimately, it is my opinion that if the negotiations were going well, we'd hear it. There would be noise from some connected member of the media. Right now, there's nothing. Historically, that is not a good thing considering the fact if the skins non-exclusive him, there is only 30 days left to be the only team negotiating with him.....

From what Allen said the other day, they haven't even started negotiations yet. There's no offer to be negotiated. Negotiations aren't going well or going poorly. They're not going.

Allen: "It's nothing to hurry into right now. But he knows our intent."

[riggofan]

Man I was listening to this great segment on C00ley and Sheehan's show this morning talking about the Gibbs years. I forget the exact numbers but he was talking about how during that time the team had something like 25 playoff appearances, 17 wins. In the 25 years since, its something awful like 9 appearances 3 wins. ugh. Thanks for the reminder.

I was thinking though about the QBs during that time. Theisman, Williams, Rypien, etc; I love all those guys, but which one was the Manning/Brady/Rodgers franchise QB? Honest question.

Sheehan opined that Gibbs would have taken Cousins in a heartbeat. Who knows for sure, but I would tend to agree with that.

[markshark84]

Man I was listening to this great segment on C00ley and Sheehan's show this morning talking about the Gibbs years. I forget the exact numbers but he was talking about how during that time the team had something like 25 playoff appearances, 17 wins. In the 25 years since, its something awful like 9 appearances 3 wins. ugh. Thanks for the reminder.

I was thinking though about the QBs during that time. Theisman, Williams, Rypien, etc; I love all those guys, but which one was the Manning/Brady/Rodgers franchise QB? Honest question.

Sheehan opined that Gibbs would have taken Cousins in a heartbeat. Who knows for sure, but I would tend to agree with that.

I think the QB situation with respect to Gibbs is what made him such an incredible coach. While I LOVE Rypien, and Theismann's career was cut short, neither were great, long term QBs. Williams was the anomaly as he had 2 mediocre at best playoff games followed by perhaps that greatest game ever played by a SB QB.......and reverted back to medicority to below average play.

That being said, while Gibbs didn't have a HOF QB, he did get good play out of his mostly mediocre (talent wise) QBs ---- IMHO due to the OL, running game, and DEF. We never had a QB that was forced to do it all under the Gibbs regime --- however, they flourished: Gibbs had 3 different pro bowl QBs in Theismann (82, 83), (Schroeder) 86, (Rypien) 89, 91 and in 5 of the 12 seasons he coached. Not to mention Williams won a SB. If this shows anything, it is that he didn't have great QBs, he put them in positions to APPEAR great.

It is my opinion that if Gibbs was able to produce Pro Bowl/SB caliber play from fairly pedestrian QBs, I could only imagine what the results would have been had he had a Rodgers/Brady/Manning type. I honestly think he would have won 6+ SBs in his 12 years (at least in years 82, 83, 86, 87, 90, 91 -- I even think an argument could be made for 85 although difficult considering CHI's team). Who really knows with a HOF QB, it could have been the most successful and longest running dynasty in the history of the game --- at least under NE takes that title.

As far as Cousins --- I agree that Gibbs would have taken him in a second. Outside of Theismann (arguably), Cousins would have been his best QB in all his years of coaching the skins. And Cousins has the opposite issue, its the run game, DEF, and OL that he is carrying.

[riggofan]

I think the QB situation with respect to Gibbs is what made him such an incredible coach. While I LOVE Rypien, and Theismann's career was cut short, neither were great, long term QBs. Williams was the anomaly as he had 2 mediocre at best playoff games followed by perhaps that greatest game ever played by a SB QB.......and reverted back to medicority to below average play.

Its pretty amazing to consider. Let's see Belichick win one without Brady!!!

Of course, we don't have Gibbs coaching the team anymore and a lot has changed since then. But I do think its worth looking back at this team's history of succeeding with relatively average QBs. We may never have one of those "put the team on his back" QBs. I personally have more faith in our ability to build up a better team around Cousins than to plug in the next JAG successfully.

[SkinsJock]

Joe Gibbs is one of the best ever - under only Bill Belichick and Vince Lombardi - THAT'S TRUE

we don't have Joe Gibbs, we have Jay Gruden - THAT'S SAD

there's no question we should keep Cousins as long as the numbers make sense - THAT'S SIMPLE

things get crazy when fans think we cannot be a good team without Cousins - THAT'S STUPID

[Deadskins]

Joe Gibbs is one of the best ever - under only Bill Belichick and Vince Lombardi - THAT'S TRUE

Is it?

Let's see Belichick win one without Brady!!!

[riggofan]

things get crazy when fans think we cannot be a good team without Cousins - THAT'S STUPID

Its equally stupid to forget about the previous 25 years and the never ending QB carousel.

[riggofan]

Joe Gibbs is one of the best ever - under only Bill Belichick and Vince Lombardi - THAT'S TRUE

Is it?

Not to me.

[SkinsJock]

there are a lot of fans that do not like Bill B. ... he's still one of the top 3 HCs in the last 50 years

just like there are a lot of fans that don't think Tom Brady is the GOAT ... and, he is

[Deadskins]

there are a lot of fans that do not like Bill B. ... he's still one of the top 3 HCs in the last 50 years

just like there are a lot of fans that don't think Tom Brady is the GOAT ... and, he is

So, if you really believe Brady is the GOAT, then you could see why people might not give Billy B. that much credit. Not saying he's not a great coach, but sometimes the QB carries the coach along with the team. (see Elwus and Shanahan).