Sorry PRam

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:18 pm

Sorry, PRam! But, you'll have to do better than that to get a starting job in a Joe Gibbs offense.

He looks a little more confident tonight, but he's overthrowing people again, throwing too early, and generally not looking good. He'll learn though!!

UPSGuy · Post by **UPSGuy** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:33 pm

His footwork is horrible. It's almost like he is waiting to get hit instead of reacting to the routes and defense. Spurrier messed him up.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:41 pm

UPSGuy wrote:His footwork is horrible. It's almost like he is waiting to get hit instead of reacting to the routes and defense. Spurrier messed him up.

Of course he did. He owes this young man a career.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:59 pm

RedskinsFreak wrote:
UPSGuy wrote:His footwork is horrible. It's almost like he is waiting to get hit instead of reacting to the routes and defense. Spurrier messed him up.

Of course he did. He owes this young man a career.

Easy RF - don't throw in the career just yet.

Montana Redskin · Post by **Montana Redskin** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:03 pm

PRam looks absolutely horrible...like Bulger almost.
This 1st 1/2 reminded me of last 2 years.
CSam better be alright.

Amberion · Post by **Amberion** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:12 pm

He needs a season (or most of one) on the sidelines to learn a NFL offense

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:19 pm

He needs a season (or most of one) on the sidelines to learn a NFL offense

o goodness. We'll be saying that throughout his entire career. He wont get it this year playing behind Brunell. They boy is a MOP. Trade him while he's still worth something.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:27 pm

NC43Hog wrote:
RedskinsFreak wrote:
UPSGuy wrote:His footwork is horrible. It's almost like he is waiting to get hit instead of reacting to the routes and defense. Spurrier messed him up.

Of course he did. He owes this young man a career.

Easy RF - don't throw in the career just yet.

But he's clearly lost 5 years of it. (Two in that waste of time offense, this year to get de-SOS'd, and then two to learn a REAL offense)

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:42 pm

But he's clearly lost 5 years of it. (Two in that waste of time offense, this year to get de-SOS'd, and then two to learn a REAL offense

)

My thoughts exactly. This boy needs to be traded ASAP. For our sake and for the sake of his career. He'll be near 40 before he gets comfortable.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:13 pm

Ramsey will be a good QB in the future (how far into the future is up to debate). For those who haven't noticed Mark Brunell only played a quarter tonight so we can probally/safely say the QB compatition is over and the incumbant has been unseated.
On another note P-Rams contract is full incentives based on playing time so he will be losing alot of coin while learning to play in this league. He may be hoping for a trade

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:33 pm

Tonight was the night that P-Ram needed to step up his game if he had any hope of catching Brunell for the starting spot. He didn't do it....so look for Gibbs to announce Brunell as his starting QB for opening day before the Falcons game.

box8276 · Post by **box8276** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:37 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
He needs a season (or most of one) on the sidelines to learn a NFL offense

o goodness. We'll be saying that throughout his entire career. He wont get it this year playing behind Brunell. They boy is a MOP. Trade him while he's still worth something.

Thats what ive been saying. This is year 3 and no progress to date. He could be good in the future ala Trent Green but it took him the better part of 7 yrs. If this was 1984 it would be ok, but its 04 IMO he has already wasted enough time. Look at delhomme and brady, u either got it or u dont.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:57 pm

Prior to this pre-season no one had a problem with P-Ram with the exception of his brief hold out his rookie year year, now all of a sudden he's the worst QB to come out of the NCAA EVER. He has been been under a lot out presure this off-season. The end of last year he was the incumbent coming back for his 3rd year under SOS and what he assumed was a NFL offense the THE MAN returned ,brought in a Veteran, and anounced there would be a open competition for the starting job. That made Ramsey field unwanted but after talking to Joe he realixed that Jie ment open competion when he said it so P-Ram hit the Books. At that point he realized he kwew more about the pro game prior to him being drafted in 2002 then he knows now but he also knew he was being looked at as the savior of a storied franchise. Now he is trying to keep up AND compete.
He took a pounding last year that would have had most NFL QBs bit(hing and crying to anyone who would listen but he didn't do that because he didn't know any better the year before David Carr almost got killed standing in the pocket.
He's trying to learn what he should be doing because he has learned what he was doing wasn't what the NFL is about.
Just because he isn't going to be the starter is no reason to throw him under the bus

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:22 pm

I'm not going to get too heavily involved in this conversation. Hopefully, you'll see where I stand by what I write next.
Did you see that ball Patches threw to (I think) Thrash in the end zone, that was well overthrown ? Gibbs didn't call that play.
It was an audible.
That's all I have to say about that.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:22 am

tcwest10 wrote:I'm not going to get too heavily involved in this conversation. Hopefully, you'll see where I stand by what I write next.
Did you see that ball Patches threw to (I think) Thrash in the end zone, that was well overthrown ? Gibbs didn't call that play.
It was an audible.
That's all I have to say about that.

I do believe that was a hot read, rather than an audible.

Besides, even if he did audible, it isn't like he audibled into a non-Gibbs play.

We all know Patrick has had problems with his "touch." This just seems like one of those instances.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:18 am

tcwest10 wrote:I'm not going to get too heavily involved in this conversation. Hopefully, you'll see where I stand by what I write next.
Did you see that ball Patches threw to (I think) Thrash in the end zone, that was well overthrown ? Gibbs didn't call that play.
It was an audible.
That's all I have to say about that.

And Thrash was wide open! Good audible Patches! He missed the throw, but he had the right play. Give him a break. Ramsey will be fine. If need be he can step in this year if Brunell goes down. He is just putting too much pressure on himself with this QB competition. Those that are calling for his head can't see the big picture. You don't trade away your future QB before he has had a chance to develop. We would be forever bringing in high-priced rookies and aging vets. We need some continuity at the position, people. That is the only way to get back on top and stay there.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:33 am

JSPB22 wrote:
tcwest10 wrote:I'm not going to get too heavily involved in this conversation. Hopefully, you'll see where I stand by what I write next.
Did you see that ball Patches threw to (I think) Thrash in the end zone, that was well overthrown ? Gibbs didn't call that play.
It was an audible.
That's all I have to say about that.

And Thrash was wide open! Good audible Patches! He missed the throw, but he had the right play. Give him a break. Ramsey will be fine. If need be he can step in this year if Brunell goes down. He is just putting too much pressure on himself with this QB competition. Those that are calling for his head can't see the big picture. You don't trade away your future QB before he has had a chance to develop. We would be forever bringing in high-priced rookies and aging vets. We need some continuity at the position, people. That is the only way to get back on top and stay there.

Exactly, it's not gonna take much longer for him to either learn the system or be let go. A solid year with Gibbs and his coaches as well as behind Brunell can only help. If it backfires its worth the risk. He looks great at times last year and then all hell broke loose. The talent and dedication is there. He is just going through a tough transistion in his career.

If he doesn't pan out, his value drops obviously, but their will be a taker that thinks he still has something in him. I think Ramsey will be fine, he's just not ready to take over Gibb's offense yet.

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:37 am

No doubt in my mind Brunell has won the starting job, And I agree with you guys who say P-Ram needs time to learn and watch more, Spurrier I think really did screw Ramsey up. HTTR

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:10 pm

My point was that just because he hasn't won the starting job, you don't cut or trade him. He simply needs time to develop in Joe's system. If you trade away a player, particularly a QB, before he has had time to develop, it almost always comes back to haunt you. Atlanta is still kicking itself for getting rid of Brett Favre. The NFL is full of stories like that. Rarely does a QB flourish his first year or two in the NFL. This is only Patrick's 3rd year in the pro game. Give it time, and he will lead us well for many years to come. It can only make him better to sit behind Brunell for a season or two. He is the future of the franchise, and you don't trade him simply because he is making the mistakes all young QBs make.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:27 pm

JSPB22 wrote:My point was that just because he hasn't won the starting job, you don't cut or trade him. He simply needs time to develop in Joe's system. If you trade away a player, particularly a QB, before he has had time to develop, it almost always comes back to haunt you. Atlanta is still kicking itself for getting rid of Brett Favre. The NFL is full of stories like that. Rarely does a QB flourish his first year or two in the NFL. This is only Patrick's 3rd year in the pro game. Give it time, and he will lead us well for many years to come. It can only make him better to sit behind Brunell for a season or two. He is the future of the franchise, and you don't trade him simply because he is making the mistakes all young QBs make.

JSPB I agree but his first two years were more like semi-pro show he should have a great upside if given time...

tcwest10 wrote:I'm not going to get too heavily involved in this conversation. Hopefully, you'll see where I stand by what I write next.
Did you see that ball Patches threw to (I think) Thrash in the end zone, that was well overthrown ? Gibbs didn't call that play.
It was an audible.
That's all I have to say about that.

He should have completed that pass