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OMG- finally someone who is a strategic thinker.

Plus, I said a QB in round 1 or 2. It doesn't have to be our first pick. But we need to get someone. Having a QB that cant win games like KC is a non starter. Need to invest in a pipeline.
Right now we are the minority here, but that could change drastically in a couple of weeks when the rumors

about the whole situation start to pop out in the media. As we have seen in the past, it won't be pretty.

As I said in another discussion, there have been lots of QBs that pile up yards and have won absolutely nothing in this league.

There are clear talent struggles in our team that need to be addressed or the QB will never have a winning chance.
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Having all those extra picks won't mean diddly poo squat if there's no one to build it around.
I disagree. The best (and most hurtful) example is Dallas. Build two very good lines and suddenly you're the team to beat.

There is no way in hell their QB and RB achieve the level they are playing at without superior O and D line play.
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hitmandm wrote:
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hitmandm wrote:KC is a pick throwing loser who wilts under pressure and never seems to deliver. But hey, some of you like him and think differently. So be it. But what to do? Here is the only smart thing to do.

Franchise KC and draft a QB high. KC's performance is not worthy of 100m, or even 50m. The only reason people are saying he is going to get a big contract is because we have no other options. Well KC had a golden opportunity to prove himself and he embarrassed himself, his team and its fans yesterday with an epic chokefest that will be talked about for years. But he has leverage. If we had drafted Dak Prescott or another QB last year, we would not be in this predicament of overpaying for a loser choke artist of a QB who really isn't that young. Time to create leverage for the Redskins.

So franchise Captain Pick, but draft a developmental QB in rd 1 or 2. If Captain Pick can actually deliver next year then fine. We will have a valuable backup that we can trade and recoup our investment. More likely, KC chokes, wilts and throws picks on the way to embarrassing the Redskins again. However, we will have options and will have a young tenured backup that can step in and give us hope and we are not forced to pay this underperforming stiff some crazy contract.

If anyone wants to know how to run a franchise into the ground, please see above.....

So based on this suggestion, let's franchise Cousins and tie down 24+M in cap space.... THEN draft a HIGH pick at QB, occupying EVEN MORE CAP SPACE (potentially 5M) within the same position and under the rookie deals, force us to be tied down to that QB for at least 4 years..... That doesn't include McCoy's guaranteed contract..... So yeah, 30M+ allocated to the cap at one position sounds smart..... :roll:

Cousins has shown that he is a top 10 QB over the past 2 seasons. He has lead us to our first back-to-back winning seasons in 2 decades --- while having a bottom 5 DEF to support him. If the NYG game showed us ANYTHING, it was that our running game is lacking (something I have been saying, but not able to really put a finger on why) and that our OL isn't as good as their stats appear to show (again something I have been saying but couldn't put a finger on why). If there is one thing everyone can agree on, it is that Cousins gets the ball out fast. If he gets sacked 4 times in a game, that's on the OL --- especially when it is under 3 seconds from snap. He was also under CONSTANT pressure, which prevented downfield passing the ability to develop.

The one thing that the NYG game did, however, was provide some leverage for our front office. Now is a good time to sign Cousins to a long term deal worth 5 years, $90M, with 50% guaranteed. I am hopeful that due to the circumstances, Scot could get that done. Sunday may have cost Cousins up to $20M, but we'll see; that is just me being optimistic. hitmandm seems to be the only remaining poster vocally butthurt that RGIII --- who even CLE appears to be moving on from --- didn't work out.

I know that hitmandm is basically a Cousins troll who only comes out when he has a bad game, but this is beyond ridiculous --- even for a troll. Without Cousins, this team would have won 4-5 games at best. And yes, I do agree with hitmandm --- if we picked Dak.... and Elliott..... and their all-pro OL.... and had Witten and Dez..... and had a team-first pro-bowl vet QB helping Dak..... and an easier schedule --- we would have been 13-3 too.... Then again, I believe you put Cousins on DAL, they go better than 13-3 ---- especially considering the fact that against WAS-DAL common opponents DAL went 9-3 and we went 8-3-1.....and DAL has a WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better team outside of the QB position......
Mark- I am a Cousins realist who has spent years calling out exactly how KC would perform. And I just gave you the exact way we should handle a situation. You are a polly anna KC apologist that has his head stuck in the ground and ignores results. I am pretty sure you have been on board for about every one of the Redskins debacles over the years.

There is nothing wrong with setting up a pipeline and investing in the QB situation-especially when one is trying to use supply and demand to max his contract. Last Years 17th pick is slotted for a 10M salary over a 4 year deal. Only Mark thinks that is a 5million dollar a year cap hit. The leverage that gives us against KC pays for itself.
I can tell u for certain that no one on earth considers u a "cousin realist".... :D that little RGIII rant u just gave was so delusional I'm not sure u see anything even remotely objectively....

As far as me being "on board" with previous skin FO moves, that is the biggest joke and -- this is saying something --- the most inaccurate statement u have ever made in here. Prior to Scot coming in as GM --- I WAS THE MOST OUTSPOKEN POSTER IN THIS PLACE AGAINST ALMOST EVERYTHING OUR FO DID FROM DRAFT PICKS TO "BIG SPLASH" FA SIGNEES. Before Scot came I made it very well know it was my opinion that this organization was run by a bunch of bumbling fools.

And there is a problem when u sign a qb to a franchise deal AND use ur #1 on someone playing the same position... that's no how u run a team. "Investing" is good when u don't currently have a top 7 about in the NFL (who arguably is top 5 when u factor in qbr -- the best metric to judge qb performance). If u have that, it sends the wrong message and creates interpersonal issues and dysfunction --- which it appears u r all for.

Oh and we have no leverage on Cousins. Word is that 5 other franchises are clearing space for Cousins if/when he hits the market. I heard from an agent buddy that 23-25M on avg is the number most are estimating on him.... so my 90M post was just a pipe dream. We will have to pay up for him --- and if we want to win, we will. And if we don't cousins will have his pick of suitors....

Nothing u said changes anyone's mind that ur just a butt hurt RGIII fan who doesn't like the fact cousins' success proved ur "theory" wrong. You can continue to spew them, it won't make them any less inaccurate. Even CLE is moving on from him. I wish him the best and even watched every game he played in this year in hopes of seeing that 2012 magic --- but he's just not a pocket qb.
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Cousins will have suitors but many of them (maybe most of them) will not be places he wants to go for any amount of money

Cousins will get a good offer from the Redskins - If Cousins does not want to play here it will not matter what we offer him

the FO is going to make sure that he does not just walk out of here - of that you can be sure
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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hitmandm wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Draft a Qb in the first round? That would be incredibly stupid.

Kirk may not be Peyton Manning or Brady yet (maybe). But the last thing we need is to groom another rookie qb.
Furthermore there isn't a Qb coming out of college this year that I would start over Cousins. Sam Darnald looks good but he is a freshman.

I do agree tag him. Or incentive based salary based on wins.
Yes. Lets draft a WR that doesn't play because that is smart. Why did we draft a do nothing WR with our first pick? We were anticipating a change in WR a year down the line. If we


can do that for a WR, why cant we do it for the most important position on the field.

I appreciate the passion. Reminds me of myself 10 plus years ago when I first joined this forum. That being said your letting emotions override logic and common sense.

I also never said draft a Wr. Sam Darnald is the QB from USC. The one who just threw for 5 td's and 450 yards????
You don't even know the college qbs and you want to draft one! Yikes!
There isn't a Qb in college I would start over Cousins now.

Lamar Jackson in two years maybe. Now no way. Our team has a couple of holes to fill.

I was one of the biggest RG3 fans we all supported him. Many still do.
However this team is now Kirks. Just move on.

The team has options. Tag Kirk, offer him a contract or let him test the market. I believe they will get a contract worked out.

The team can afford to give him a decent contact and still build around Kirk.

Kirk seems like he also needs a good defense and running game as well. He hasn't proven he can carry this team on his own.

Still supply and demand. Not many good qbs 32 teams.

Building through the draft is cheap. Let's see what Scott does this off season. It's up to him and Snyder.
Ultimately Snyder has finally say.
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Snyder will continue to let McCloughan & Allen make all the decisions ...

Scot will not rock the boat and will find a way to keep Cousins or not let him walk without some compensation - the 'McCloughan Plan' has transformed this franchise from the horrible mess we were in following the 2014 season to almost making the playoffs twice

The coaches will get some 'help' and should be given 1 more season
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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hitmandm wrote:Are you kidding? Yes, I hate fat Gruden for his obvious mistreatment of RG3. He is a dumb, egomaniacal coach that doesn't perform and he treated RG3 like crap to further his own agenda. I hate those type of people. He changed the rules for KC because it was him calling the shots and he can pull it over on half of a mindless Redskin fanbase that has a history of chasing obvious mistakes- Shannahan for example. So in essence I do carry that baggage and so do a lot of the fanbase that see the crap. Gruden tried to ruin RG3s career for his own agenda and that has been documented by an ex-NFL GM detailed in the USA Today for example.

But to say that I am not objective and that is the only reason I hate Cousins shows your bias actually. Ive said for YEARS here on this board that KC is a pick machine that cannot win the big game and doesn't have the talent to be a franchise QB. I said he cant win the big game, looks like an embarrassment when it counts and cannot be trusted. That is exactly how it turned out. How can you watch last years playoff, this past game against the Giants and argue that? That isnt name calling, that is the truth. Read Sniders article in the WaPo and the 1-5-1 record KC boasted when he has passed over 300 yards as proof the guy is just agarbage time stats guy and is not a winner.

Plus this KC dirtbag is so ungracious that we take his loser butt off the 4th round trashpile so he can choke our seasons away and wont even give us a hometeam discount on a long term contract. Why do you like him so much?

And Jay Gruden is fat, stupid and his teams lack discipline. He is a terrible game manager and gets outcoached (by his own admission) on a regular basis. I'm pretty spot on about him as well.
Wow, I'm surprised you left out the whole race angle that the Griffin idiots still desperately cling to.

And thank you for proving my point.
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anyone with any sense knows this FO will not be letting Kirk Cousins leave and will put together a good deal that ensures Kirk Cousins is playing here or, in the unlikely event that he wants to go elsewhere, that this franchise will be well compensated

The Redskins were like many badly run franchises but that is no longer the case - these guys know what they're doing

the FMV price for a good NFL QB most likely means we will have to "over-pay" Cousins but that will not mean that we cannot continue to add all the players we need - Cousins will get a good deal - this FO is not paying too much - NO WAY
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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SkinsJock wrote:Cousins will have suitors but many of them (maybe most of them) will not be places he wants to go for any amount of money
I think DEN, HOU, and AZ would be great destinations with more pieces currently in place than we have.... I have heard all 3 of these as potential suitors.

Not to mention if LA hires McVay and brings Cousins with him..... He would sure be "wanted" there.....

Cousins wouldn't be in a situation where he would have to pick between CLE, SF and NYJ --- NOT AT ALL (and NYJ can't afford him based on their cap situation). He very well can be picking between teams with playoff caliber teams. And when you have multiple playoff caliber teams interested, the price will go up and those top 3 have cap space to make an offer.

Now, if that is the situation, Scot will franchise him again no question. And if we do "non-exclusive" like we did last year and he signs elsewhere, the 2 1st rounders won't be that great considering they will be from mid-level teams.

Fact is, Cousins is in a GREAT situation. He's got the franchise bent-over.
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markshark84 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Cousins will have suitors but many of them (maybe most of them) will not be places he wants to go for any amount of money
I think DEN, HOU, and AZ would be great destinations with more pieces currently in place than we have.... I have heard all 3 of these as potential suitors.

Not to mention if LA hires McVay and brings Cousins with him..... He would sure be "wanted" there.....

Cousins wouldn't be in a situation where he would have to pick between CLE, SF and NYJ --- NOT AT ALL (and NYJ can't afford him based on their cap situation). He very well can be picking between teams with playoff caliber teams. And when you have multiple playoff caliber teams interested, the price will go up and those top 3 have cap space to make an offer.

Now, if that is the situation, Scot will franchise him again no question. And if we do "non-exclusive" like we did last year and he signs elsewhere, the 2 1st rounders won't be that great considering they will be from mid-level teams.

Fact is, Cousins is in a GREAT situation. He's got the franchise bent-over.
Yep and I'd add Kyle is interviewing for the Denver job fresh off of Ryan having his best year! I could see him wanting Cousins!
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If Cousins wants to play here, he'll get a great deal - If Cousins wants more than a great deal, I really, really hope the FO franchise tags him and some other franchise picks him up - I'd love to get a couple of first rounders for him

the Redskins have to look for a QB to replace Cousins because he's just a good NFL QB - finding a better/winning QB will not take long
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markshark84 wrote: Cousins wouldn't be in a situation where he would have to pick between CLE, SF and NYJ --- NOT AT ALL (and NYJ can't afford him based on their cap situation). He very well can be picking between teams with playoff caliber teams. And when you have multiple playoff caliber teams interested, the price will go up and those top 3 have cap space to make an offer.

Now, if that is the situation, Scot will franchise him again no question. And if we do "non-exclusive" like we did last year and he signs elsewhere, the 2 1st rounders won't be that great considering they will be from mid-level teams.

Fact is, Cousins is in a GREAT situation. He's got the franchise bent-over.
REALLY :lol:

Cousins is very lucky that he's likely the best QB 'available' - he's going to get a very good deal from this FO but the fact remains that he has not proven that he's going to become an elite QB

the last 2 home games were very, very costly to Kirk Cousins - I'd LOVE to get 2 1st rounders [-o<

I have absolutely no worry that this FO are already looking for our next great QB because they know what they have in Cousins
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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SkinsJock wrote:If Cousins wants to play here, he'll get a great deal - If Cousins wants more than a great deal, I really, really hope the FO franchise tags him and some other franchise picks him up - I'd love to get a couple of first rounders for him

the Redskins have to look for a QB to replace Cousins because he's just a good NFL QB - finding a better/winning QB will not take long
Where are these winning QBs you speak of ? Do they grow on trees these days?
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Fact is, Cousins is in a GREAT situation. He's got the franchise bent-over.
You said it best.

No one seems to be considering that having just one piece of a larger puzzle is a disaster waiting to happen.

One injury to KC and our season is basically over. As I said before, intelligent teams build the lines

and then draft a competent QB, not the other way around.

I did not see a dominant O-line or D-line this season. Flashes of good play, yes, but those were few and far between.
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After reading all the posts in this thread, I feel dumber than I was before I started...haha

Here's how I see this situation:

Scott, Jay, (not so much Danny), Bruce, Sean, Callahan, AND Matt Cavanaugh need to determine first and foremost, will Kirk be a QB that could be a playoff qb if we build our defense? If so, pay him. OR -- Will Kirk only lead us to 8-8 or 9-7 records? If they believe he'll continue to NOT win big games and play poorly when it matters, then you sign him to a non-exclusive Franchise Tag. This allows you to 1) keep him for another year on a show us deal. 2) trade him to another team for picks, 3) match any deal another team offers, or 4) not match an offer and let him walk - getting two first round picks.

If I were in the discussions with those guys I would ask two questions (after watching every game over the 2015 and 2016 seasons):

1) Would McCoy do worse than Kirk? I'm not sure he would. Kirk's completion & yardage stats are "padded" by tons of dump offs & check downs with YACs. McCoy can do that. He has never had the chance to play with a good offense. Put McCoy behind our line with our weapons and I could actually see a similar record over the past two years.

OR

2) Would we be better off getting draft picks for him and signing a Vet for a one year cap friendly deal-- say Cutler after he's cut by the Bears? Maybe Romo after getting let go by Cowboys?

In either option, we'd want to use one of the "extra" picks on a rookie qb. Both of these options save us tons of cap space allowing us to drastically improve our Defense with FAs and draft picks -- and maybe resigning one or both of Garcon and Jackson.

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Mark- I am a Cousins realist who has spent years calling out exactly how KC would perform. And I just gave you the exact way we should handle a situation. You are a polly anna KC apologist that has his head stuck in the ground and ignores results. I am pretty sure you have been on board for about every one of the Redskins debacles over the years.

There is nothing wrong with setting up a pipeline and investing in the QB situation-especially when one is trying to use supply and demand to max his contract. Last Years 17th pick is slotted for a 10M salary over a 4 year deal. Only Mark thinks that is a 5million dollar a year cap hit. The leverage that gives us against KC pays for itself.[/quote]

I can tell u for certain that no one on earth considers u a "cousin realist".... :D that little RGIII rant u just gave was so delusional I'm not sure u see anything even remotely objectively....

As far as me being "on board" with previous skin FO moves, that is the biggest joke and -- this is saying something --- the most inaccurate statement u have ever made in here. Prior to Scot coming in as GM --- I WAS THE MOST OUTSPOKEN POSTER IN THIS PLACE AGAINST ALMOST EVERYTHING OUR FO DID FROM DRAFT PICKS TO "BIG SPLASH" FA SIGNEES. Before Scot came I made it very well know it was my opinion that this organization was run by a bunch of bumbling fools.

And there is a problem when u sign a qb to a franchise deal AND use ur #1 on someone playing the same position... that's no how u run a team. "Investing" is good when u don't currently have a top 7 about in the NFL (who arguably is top 5 when u factor in qbr -- the best metric to judge qb performance). If u have that, it sends the wrong message and creates interpersonal issues and dysfunction --- which it appears u r all for.

Oh and we have no leverage on Cousins. Word is that 5 other franchises are clearing space for Cousins if/when he hits the market. I heard from an agent buddy that 23-25M on avg is the number most are estimating on him.... so my 90M post was just a pipe dream. We will have to pay up for him --- and if we want to win, we will. And if we don't cousins will have his pick of suitors....

Nothing u said changes anyone's mind that ur just a butt hurt RGIII fan who doesn't like the fact cousins' success proved ur "theory" wrong. You can continue to spew them, it won't make them any less inaccurate. Even CLE is moving on from him. I wish him the best and even watched every game he played in this year in hopes of seeing that 2012 magic --- but he's just not a pocket qb.[/quote]


Mark- I am a Cousins realist. There is a huge debate among the fanbase even in the Media that take my position and detail quite clearly his limitations. Last year I said he was a choking QB who can't win the big game. I said he couldn't be a winner we can count on. This year that is exactly what I said he would be. And he had astronomical WR talent and a HOF potential TE. Last year we were 9-7 and we didn't beat a winning team. This year we were 8-7-1 and missed the playoffs squarely on Captain Pick. I was right and the people you need to emotionally support you even in the face of being wrong when you look at the numbers don't matter. Reality is reality and KC wilted in the big game, choked when it mattered most and threw a game ending pick just like I said he would years ago.

And you are a follower...I can always spot the followers. They are the ones who get suckered in by the Shannahan types.
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SkinsJock wrote:Snyder will continue to let McCloughan & Allen make all the decisions ...

Scot will not rock the boat and will find a way to keep Cousins or not let him walk without some compensation - the 'McCloughan Plan' has transformed this franchise from the horrible mess we were in following the 2014 season to almost making the playoffs twice

The coaches will get some 'help' and should be given 1 more season
I think you are right about KC. I think they will franchise him again. Maybe a tag and trade. But I don't think they will not reward his choke performance with a big money contract. Especially since Snyder doesn't really like KC reportedly.

McCloughan has been overrated. He was a draft guru who hasn't drafted really well. Sure Scheriff is a Pro Bowl GUARD. You can get very good Guards way lower than the fifth overall pick. It was dumb to draft a GUARD at fifth overall. Yes I like BS but Lenoard Wilkerson is a skill player that we should have drafted and would truly have plugged our porous DL and sacked the QB. You can find great guards in the fifth round way easier than a pass rusher of LW caliber. I would rather go into this draft trying to find a LG than a young pass rushing impact DLman.
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We are an above average team, but a one dimensional team. Good offense but terrible defense. Great passing game but a horrible running game. So it seems inconceivable to lose Cousins because he is the key guy for the only formula that seems to be working for us.
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Want a preview of life after Cousins…Watch the Raiders/Texans game!!
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hitmandm wrote:Mark- I am a Cousins realist. There is a huge debate among the fanbase even in the Media that take my position and detail quite clearly his limitations. Last year I said he was a choking QB who can't win the big game. I said he couldn't be a winner we can count on. This year that is exactly what I said he would be. And he had astronomical WR talent and a HOF potential TE. Last year we were 9-7 and we didn't beat a winning team. This year we were 8-7-1 and missed the playoffs squarely on Captain Pick. I was right and the people you need to emotionally support you even in the face of being wrong when you look at the numbers don't matter. Reality is reality and KC wilted in the big game, choked when it mattered most and threw a game ending pick just like I said he would years ago.

And you are a follower...I can always spot the followers. They are the ones who get suckered in by the Shannahan types.
You are not a Cousins realist. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it won't make it even remotely true. I personally have never heard members of the media call Cousins a "loser" or "Captain Pick" or any of the other adjectives you use to describe him. You are a pro-RGIII fan who is bitter at Cousins' personal success at the QB position; someone who was able to produce at a position and on the team that RGIII couldn't. Almost everyone you hear talking about the Cousins contract situation agrees that Cousins had a successful season (at least in that he performed well enough will we HAVE to resign him to a deal of his liking; outside of another franchise play) --- the fact he finished the past two years in the top 5 in the NFL in QBR (the best metric for QB performance ever created) confirms this. You provide absolutely no support for your insanely inaccurate posts..... :roll: Instead, your posts just come off as a bitter and angry RGIII fan that can't swallow the success another QB had at the position failed to produce in. Instead you just provide excuse after excuse --- many of which come across hypocritical (based on your Cousins put-downs) and others just plain unsupported.

Now, I agree that Cousins chocked against NYG. I believe that. I personally think that Cousins has a HUGE issue with "big game" situations. It is a REAL REAL REAL concern. That being said, he's the best QB we've had in a VERY long time. As of yesterday there were 5 teams interested in signing him to a 9 FIGURE deal. I am now hearing as of last night 1 more team has joined those ranks.... There is a reason for that. And these are NOT dumb or poorly run franchises in the mix.

As far as Shannahan, I was never a fan. I gave him a chance after 2012, but was strongly against his initial signing (as I am of ANYTHING Danny boy does outside of hiring Scot) and gave most of the 2012 credit to RGIII and Kyle. You can go back and read my old posts. I admittedly was a HUGE Kyle supporter (again all in my past posts). I considered him at the time he was here and still do as one of the best 3 OCs in the NFL. IMHO, Kyle is a much better coach than his father ever was. Now, I do think that Mike Shanhan has been proven correct on RGIII as what he said at the time has been shown to be correct based on on-field play by RGIII. However, that doesn't mean I think he's a good coach or person; I think he's a crazy egomaniac and there's a reason he's not coaching in the NFL --- when it is pretty clear he wants back in to the NFL.

As far as the "follower" comment --- I stand corrected. I will say with full sincerity and humility that that statement was in fact your most inaccurate statement ever written within this forum..... It's hard not to appear bragadotious, but the simple fact is that couldn't be further from the truth. Without being too specific (as you could probably find me on linkedin or something otherwise --- which based on your posts is the LAST thing I'd need) I was the captain of three varsity sports in high school --- and on 2 of those teams I wasn't one of the top 3 or 4 players. I actually won the "leadership" award presented annually from one of those squads (name still on plaque within the school). I was president of my senior high school class. I was one of 4 captains of my college athletic team. I am currently the "South Region Practice Leader" of my professional specialty and on 2 other national leadership committees within my firm. I have been selected to go to a widely known, invitational national leadership conference each of the past 3 years. I will stop there, but could honestly go on with more examples --- but I think the point is made. In all my life, I can honestly say (and I actually really thought about this), I have never been called a "follower" once in my life. So IMHO, you can "spot" a "follower" almost as well as you can "spot" a franchise QB..... :lol:
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PAPDOG67 wrote: Where are these winning QBs you speak of ? Do they grow on trees these days?


no! but I have a lot of faith in this FO to continue remaking this franchise - we have seen a lot the past 2 seasons

I'd rather have a QB that can help the team win than one that sets passing records but does nothing more
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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It's simple - we need to locate and prepare a QB to replace Cousins - he's good and he can help the franchise get through the time it will take to have a better QB ready to play

give Cousins a good deal to stay but we don't have to keep him - tag him and get the 2 1st round picks

stay on plan - we're very fortunate to have NFL savvy guys in charge here now
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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SkinsJock wrote:
PAPDOG67 wrote: Where are these winning QBs you speak of ? Do they grow on trees these days?


no! but I have a lot of faith in this FO to continue remaking this franchise - we have seen a lot the past 2 seasons
What do you mean by "a lot" from the FO? :-k

From a production standpoint:
Is it our bottom 5 DEF (27th in opp yards, 32th in both opp 1st downs and 3D%, 28th in penalties, 27th in opp rush yards/attmpt, 28th in opp rush TDs)?
Is it our bottom third rushing offense (based on total yards)?
Is it our bottom third ST production (other than PR avg -- i.e., net punt yds, FGs, <20 punts, opp punt RTN avg., kickoff RTN avg., opp kickoff RTN avg)?

If it isn't our historically bad DEF, bottom tier rushing and STs play, what could have possibly been done by the FO that kept us with a winning record --- while having the 5th hardest strength of schedule this year (and as an FYI only us and DEN were teams with winning records that had a top 10 SOS this year)????

What? You seem to believe we need to move on from the QB and only top 5 facet this franchise currently has --- so I'd love to know. Seriously. Enlighten us. :D
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SkinsJock wrote:
PAPDOG67 wrote: Where are these winning QBs you speak of ? Do they grow on trees these days?


no! but I have a lot of faith in this FO to continue remaking this franchise - we have seen a lot the past 2 seasons

I'd rather have a QB that can help the team win than one that sets passing records but does nothing more
Maybe Kirk should get out there on the defensive side of the ball?? I don't know what else you want the guy to do. I'm guessing maybe you want a guy like Mark Sanchez, you know, because he's a winner. Man I love when people throw the "winner" argument out there. If THE TEAM had beaten the Giants in week 17, would that have trasnformed Kirk into a "winner".
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