Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not concerned by this per se. Even good coaches need to light a fire under the team's ass every once in a while.
A good coach will put the players in position to succeed but they can't be on the field with them.
At a certain point it's on the players to do their part.
True dat - best example is that Joe Barry is nowhere near as bad as many are making him out to be
we need to bring all these guys back and give them some players that can execute the plays that are called
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:my points is that the win loss record should not determine what we do going forward - I'd like to give all of the top guys here another season and see what they can do with some better players - we have not really given the guys we have a fair shake and here we are in December with a realistic shot at a playoff
I hope that Scot brings back Jay, Sean, Joe and Ben for another shot, even if we finish up badly
I trust in Scot's decision making but I'm tired of losing for the same reasons. I don't mind losing because we were the inferior team... Today we lost (again) because we choked. We lost because of a lack of intensity. How many times do we need to watch this play out? Maybe Gruden isn't the guy that can motivate this team to be great.
The problem with removing Gruden is... Do you also get rid of McVay? If you get rid of them, what do you do with Kirk? Can Kirk run the system that a new HC will bring in? Does the new HC (if he's a defensive guy) retain Sean McVay? Do you run the risk of inheriting legacy issues with keeping McVay?
There are way more questions than answers at this point.
We have to remember we are 2 years into the Scot era and if we're being honest we've done better than expected. Winning the division last year kinda setup some high expectations this year. While I'm on record as saying that I didn't think Gruden was a good hire, I'm all for letting him coach out his contract next year. That would give Scot another year to evaluate him and make a decision, I would not extend him this year. As for Cousins tough call, I know if we don't pay him someone will. Do we tag him again so that we line him up with Gruden so that Scot can make the decision on both going forward after next year??
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:We have to remember we are 2 years into the Scot era and if we're being honest we've done better than expected. Winning the division last year kinda setup some high expectations this year. While I'm on record as saying that I didn't think Gruden was a good hire, I'm all for letting him coach out his contract next year. That would give Scot another year to evaluate him and make a decision, I would not extend him this year. As for Cousins tough call, I know if we don't pay him someone will. Do we tag him again so that we line him up with Gruden so that Scot can make the decision on both going forward after next year??
Exactly. Last year we were thinking its a rebuilding year and was fortunate to win the division. Scot has some tough decisions to make, but he is more than qualified to do it. If Gruden only has 1 year left on his contract I would keep him. Unless Scot sees someone available that he really likes and wants the team to be shaped like. Cousins is a tough call. If he's gone it will hurt the offense, but maybe it could be better for the future. It all depends how much he wants.
Gruden has been her all these years and still cant manage the clock or get his team up for a playoff focused game. His teams are sloppy. His adjustments are slow. I don't know who you replace him with but he isn't going to be a successful answer for a fanbase that wants a winner.
I'm not sold on Gruden either but do you really want to jump on the coaches carousel this offseason? There are already 5 openings, and the season isn't even over! I'm sure they'll be a few more...
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
A lot of my frustrations on Gruden are regarding the basics of a head coach during a game, just stupid things that tend to happen every game. Somehow we overcome a lot of them because we do have a decent passing game and occasionally a decent running game too.
On defense, there are far too many starters who just aren't good enough and not just the perennial secondary problem. If we could stop the run or the pass, we might be half decent. Not being able to do either is a big problem
ferryrich wrote:A lot of my frustrations on Gruden are regarding the basics of a head coach during a game, just stupid things that tend to happen every game. Somehow we overcome a lot of them because we do have a decent passing game and occasionally a decent running game too.
Maybe Snyder should hire Joe Gibbs to teach Gruden how to coach? I'm only half joking. Gibbs teams rarely came out flat...almost never in December with a chance to make the playoffs. Maybe I've seen Gruden too often make that "what did they do, I can't believe it, o misery" face on the sidelines.
Realistically, I think Gruden will, and should, be given another season. Scot M. needs to big guys for defense: DL and LB. If it's too hard to find 3-4 NT's and DE's, then order Barry to switch to the 4-3 defense. The DL and LBs should stop the run and pressure the passer. These Redskins cannot do either, as others have also noticed.
REPEATEDLY this season, there's been a theme of "coming out flat". We as fans always blame the players... But then you have guys like Orakpo and the Lorenzo Alexander who were the issue here but go elsewhere and have great seasons. Lorenzo had a stellar season this season, WHRE THE F**K was that when we had him? He could barely get on the field. He was merely a ST standout here.
DEHog wrote:I'm not sold on Gruden either but do you really want to jump on the coaches carousel this offseason? There are already 5 openings, and the season isn't even over! I'm sure they'll be a few more...
Your valid point is the only reason why we keep him
From Boswell's "chat" this morning...regarding intensity and a coach's responsibility to get a team ready to play hard:
A loss as bad as Sunday's "re-colors" every aspect of the season. Can Gruden motivate? I think he can REALLY coach offense. I think he's a wonderful person and somebody who understands people and can communicate with them. But can he motivate a whole TEAM, not just get through to certain individuals and help bring out the best in them? Lombardi was very passionate about the importance of motivation using both carrot and stick. He said, paraphrase, that it was easy for pro players to give a professional effort: one that was good enough that fans couldn't tell the difference between 'professional effort' and true scary reckless MAXIMUM effort. But, for Lombardi, professional effort, good-enough-to-fool-the-fans effort wasn't good enough for him. It wasn't good enough to look like you were playing hard enough so the 'experts' in the press box and TV booth couldn't quite tell the difference. He wanted the kind of "We Are Dangerous Crazy People" effort that you can FEEL on the sideline. And, of course, on the field.
The Skins just don't reach that max effort often enough. McCloughan needs to improve the room. It's much better than the horrible old days when players were laughing after loses under Zorn, or the Putin-rule of Shanahan that didn't bring out the best either. But it's still [not the] face from the great Skins locker rooms under Gibbs I when, if they lost, you were almost worried to ask a question afterwards because the players were still so furious, distraught and at a hair-trigger pitch of being pissed off. God, that was great. I'd just look at the Hogs in defeat. You figured they'd go out an kick the hell out of their pickup trucks in the players parking lot as soon as they left. This team isn't THERE yet by a million miles. Instead, Josh Norman is giving smooth answers, then smooth answers to his smooth answers and Cousins comes in and looks no more upset than is somebody spilled the punch at the picnic.
SkinsJock wrote:the win loss record should not determine what we do going forward - I'd like to give all of the top guys here another season and see what they can do with some better players - we have not really given the guys we have a fair shake and here we are in December with a realistic shot at a playoff
I hope that Scot brings back Jay, Sean, Joe and Ben for another shot, even if we finish up badly
Do you still feel this way?
never have been a BIG Gruden fan, but, yes, I still think that this franchise needs to go one more season with these guys - I totally agree that Gruden did not do as good a job as HC as he should have but I don't think it's in the franchise's best interest right now to just start all over again
bring back Cousins and lets let these guys have another shot - we were competitive - add some more young players
the players need the stability
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
