I'm exaggerating of course, but that Green Bay game... I'm not even talking about the poor coverage from their beat up secondary.
Into the terrible wind. That even Aaron Rodgers wouldn't throw too deep into, kirk, without a doubt in his mind, throws 2 perfect bombs out there.
Those, in combination with him leading the team to a blowout win against a decent team, which I don't remember the last time we did that... has me not only sold cousins is our guy... I was already sold on that, but by pretty much any means necessary he needs to stay. A 5 year contract guarantees he breaks every QB record we have as a team.
I have no idea what you're smoking my friend. I mean, Kurt Cousins is just a game manager, right?
Apparently we have been so blinded by horrible QB play over the last generation that the fanbase forgot what a quality QB looks like wearing Burgundy and Gold.
Honestly, Kirk can name his price, but at the same time should be smart enough to leave some in the coffers for the tools he needs at TE, OL and WR. The offense is a great TEAM offense right now. Cousins and Coach Gruden are a great match - not sure Cousins plays as well without all the tools and the coach that has put him in such a good position. I wouldn't want to "test the market" if i were Kirk right now. Pretty comfy in DC the way he is performing. I suppose it all depends on the greed of his agent.
Kirk played incredible A performance. Finally realized that he has some players! I think the fans been waiting for him to unleash this all year. I feel it started with Jay...first time I felt he was hungry to win a game. Will to win superior to opponent! Thats how you get paid! Kirks best game of the year.
I liked this discussion the first time we had it. This has to be at least the fifth new thread on this topic.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Where's all those idiots who wouldn't stop with the "Captain Pick", "game manager", "Kirk CouINTins" b.s. now?
That is not how naysayers operate. I went thru this on here with Jason Campbell. The majority of the board was in love with the dude when RayNAustin and I were battling against him. After everything, no one said a word about it and acted like they didn't like him the entire time. Similar situation with RGIII post-2012. I am still waiting to hear that I was correct in that RGIII is injury-prone.....
That being said, I don't consider anyone on this board to be an "idiot". However, very few posters eat crow when wrong.
markshark84 wrote:That is not how naysayers operate. I went thru this on here with Jason Campbell. The majority of the board was in love with the dude when RayNAustin and I were battling against him.
meh. I just don't see that comparison at all. Campbell proved to be a middling QB everywhere he went. Did some good things where people saw potential in him and did some bad things that held him back from being a legit franchise QB. Its not like he showed anything definitive either way. I don't see anything wrong with differing opinions on him at all.
We also went from Campbell to McNabb, Grossman and John Beck. And wasted a draft pick on McNabb. Calling for Campbell to go didn't exactly improve our situation. I certainly would have rather had Campbell here than Rex/Beck. Don't feel like I owe anyone an apology or need to eat crow for that opinion.
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Prowl33 wrote:I know Snyder likes him now, as was evident by his corny dancing in the booth at the end of the game lol
Fedex looked AWESOME last night. I had a lot of friends posting photos of themselves out there freezing at 11:30 and having a blast. On the radio this AM, C00ley said they were partying inside the stadium with Snyder, Bruce, Scot, etc; until three in the morning. Playing House of Pain jump around on repeat to make fun of that Snyder dance. haha.
If Dan doesn't appreciate that, not just from Cousins, but from Gruden and McCloughan, then he's insane.
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markshark84 wrote:That is not how naysayers operate. I went thru this on here with Jason Campbell. The majority of the board was in love with the dude when RayNAustin and I were battling against him.
meh. I just don't see that comparison at all. Campbell proved to be a middling QB everywhere he went. Did some good things where people saw potential in him and did some bad things that held him back from being a legit franchise QB. Its not like he showed anything definitive either way. I don't see anything wrong with differing opinions on him at all.
We also went from Campbell to McNabb, Grossman and John Beck. And wasted a draft pick on McNabb. Calling for Campbell to go didn't exactly improve our situation. I certainly would have rather had Campbell here than Rex/Beck. Don't feel like I owe anyone an apology or need to eat crow for that opinion.
What comparison? No clue what you are referencing there, but we had posters saying JC was going to be an all-pro.
And there is no problem with ANY opinion, right or wrong. But if you're wrong, own up to it.
And if you were one of those posters I battled against, you sort of proved my point....
I've eaten crow and have repeatedly called me as I've seen em. Captain pick and Kirk Grossman were valid remarks at the time so no need to shame anyone for previous posts... especially when they were accurately calling a duck a duck. I'm glad he's proven all bus haters wrong!
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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I've eaten crow and have repeatedly called me as I've seen em. Captain pick and Kirk Grossman were valid remarks at the time so no need to shame anyone for previous posts... especially when they were accurately calling a duck a duck. I'm glad he's proven all bus haters wrong!
In absolutely no way am I referencing you. You are one of the few that calls yourself out --- even without provocation --- in circumstances where you were on the wrong side of an argument.
I'm here - Kirk looks like he's going to be worth $24M plus - lets make sure that we give him whatever it takes to keep him here
the FO should just come here for advice on who to let go because this site has a bunch of fans that know what's best for this franchise
I'm all for keeping Cousins - I just don't see how we can afford to pay him $25M+
Like BG&F pointed out there's sure to be another thread soon giving us all a hint at how we can keep Cousins and all the other guys
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
markshark84 wrote:What comparison? No clue what you are referencing there, but we had posters saying JC was going to be an all-pro.
And there is no problem with ANY opinion, right or wrong. But if you're wrong, own up to it.
And if you were one of those posters I battled against, you sort of proved my point....
Well, sorry if I misunderstood your post. I read that you were saying no naysayers admitted they were wrong about Campbell was like the naysayers who will not admit they were wrong about Cousins. I just don't think Campbell was a clear cut right/wrong opinion. (Although calling him a future all pro was probably a stretch!)
I love to have these debates btw, but would certainly hope I'd admit when I was wrong. I know personally I was very pro-RG3, skeptical of Cousins early on. What changed my mind? Watching the two play over an extended period of time.
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The man is going to get paid. The Redskins should be the ones to do it.
I still can't believe some want him to walk if he doesn't cut us a discount. The Redskins drafted him, built him up, and he's playing great at a position of crucial need. You pay those guys. People talk about team loyalty, but don't want the team to pay home-grown talent that earns their checks. When that player is a QB it means big money, but that's the way of the NFL.
If we continue drafting smart and not relying on pricey free agents, we'll be just fine.
StorminMormon86 wrote:On the positive side, I honestly think Kirk wants to stay here, so I don't think he's going to jump at the highest bidder right away.
We shouldn't allow any bidding to take place. Tag him if need be and work out a deal.
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When we drafted RG3, I thought that Mike would help him become an NFL QB
when Cousins became the starting QB it looked like he was going to be a turnover machine
Cousins has become a lot better QB than I thought he would be
there's no doubt that we should make every effort to sign him to a contract
I am just waiting for someone to explain how we can pay all the other players we need to pay to ensure we continue to get better - there are many examples of franchises paying players a lot of money and having to let other good players go and then they are not as good
the question remains - how do we ensure that does not happen here?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I am just waiting for someone to explain how we can pay all the other players we need to pay to ensure we continue to get better - there are many examples of franchises paying players a lot of money and having to let other good players go and then they are not as good
the question remains - how do we ensure that does not happen here?
Draft well. Kind of seems like that is why the Seahawks haven't been crushed by Russell Wilson's contract, but Flacco's has hurt the Ravens.
I thought this article on the Seahawks website was pretty good man:
Most notably, the Seahawks are committed to developing young players, and not just top draft picks, but everyone from a first-round pick to an undrafted rookie. While the Seahawks might spend big on certain positions, they save money elsewhere because they’re willing to lose a veteran and replace him with a young player. By playing late-round picks or undrafted rookies at receiver or on the offensive line over the past couple of seasons, the Seahawks were able to spend elsewhere. In simple terms, you can’t pay everyone when there’s a salary cap, but you can pay more star players if you are willing to also play young, less expensive ones at other spots instead of moderately-priced veterans.
Sounds a bit like what McCloughan has been doing, eh?
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In general I agree with this but what if there's no one to draft at a position of need? What if none of the best players available fill a need?
That's how teams like the Redskins end up with a bunch of safeties other teams moved on from because they couldn't cover, tackle, etc.
Sometimes you can't draft a need. That's why free agency exists.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:In general I agree with this but what if there's no one to draft at a position of need? What if none of the best players available fill a need?
That's how teams like the Redskins end up with a bunch of safeties other teams moved on from because they couldn't cover, tackle, etc.
Sometimes you can't draft a need. That's why free agency exists.
You should never draft for need. That doesn't mean you should go out and break the bank on the most expensive free agents out there either just because you need help at safety.
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riggofan wrote:You should never draft for need. That doesn't mean you should go out and break the bank on the most expensive free agents out there either just because you need help at safety.
I agree but that leaves holes in the roster that have to be filled with talent, not just bodies. Safety is almost as difficult to fill as quarterback if the Redskins history is any indicator.
I almost think a team has to overpay for one in free agency. We tried the converted cornerback thing and failed. We tried the waiver wire thing and failed. We drafted a safety and put him at linebacker.
We're kind of running out of options.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
The Seahawks lost Bennett and Irvin and others because they couldn't afford to pay all of their players
If we pay Cousins whatever it takes to keep him we'll be just like a lot of other franchises that have good QBs but can't afford to pay for all the other players - like the Ravens and the Seahawks and the Colts and the Panthers and a bunch of others
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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