Reyes Cut!

[mastdark81]

With no immediate intentions on re-signing according to Mike Jones of WP.

Reyes received a $1 million dollar bonus and never played like he should. While mainstay Ricky Jean, who had outperformed Reyes was sent to the Tampa Bay storm in the preseason instead of Reyes in a political move. How you think that made some of the players feel?

When this team start making moves that strictly have to do with football we will be back on track.

Not a big signing but among the list of misses on Scot McCloughan's list of free agents. Pot Roast another miss, not in the teams plans according to Mike Jones of the WP as well.

[riggofan]

I take your point, but we're not going to fix the d-line in free agency. I'm not really that upset that McCloughan "missed" on one of these guys. He didn't tie us up in some stupid contract with Reyes.

[Irn-Bru]

Neither Reyes nor Jean Francois played in the final preseason game. (Mike Jones claims Reyes did, but he has no snap counts listed on Redskins.com.) Where are you getting that information from?

Still: when Reyes didn't have to play in the Tampa game because his roster spot was more or less locked down, you say it must have been "political." But then he gets cut when he under-performs in the season. It sounds more likely to me there wasn't anything political happening in the first place.

By the way, Pot Roast wasn't a miss. He obviously wasn't a home run, so to speak, but he was a single at least. Stephen Paea was a miss, though: basically a strikeout.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It looks like Reyes was cut because they needed to sign a safety due to the injuries to both Cravens and Bruton.

[riggofan]

I would have just had Trent play safety on Sunday.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I would have just had Trent play safety on Sunday.

He would, if he was asked. Real team player.

[mastdark81]

I take your point, but we're not going to fix the d-line in free agency. I'm not really that upset that McCloughan "missed" on one of these guys. He didn't tie us up in some stupid contract with Reyes.

Well if we don't at least assist the Dline with quality defensive players in free agency that can play long term it will take several years of the draft (maybe 2-3 more drafts). Teams that have won the SUPER BOWL of late have good free agent pickups along the dline historically. You don't live off it, but when there is a need you just don't ignore it with the sake of hoping to solve it in the draft because it will take you alot longer.

My non-football professional eyes seen that Reyes shouldn't have been even picked up, yet we did anyway and paid him a million. That should be concerning, that you have cut Reyes, Paea, Potroast already early and for a decision to keep Kedric Golston at nose tackle is a fireable offense!

[mastdark81]

Neither Reyes nor Jean Francois played in the final preseason game. (Mike Jones claims Reyes did, but he has no snap counts listed on Redskins.com.) Where are you getting that information from?

Still: when Reyes didn't have to play in the Tampa game because his roster spot was more or less locked down, you say it must have been "political." But then he gets cut when he under-performs in the season. It sounds more likely to me there wasn't anything political happening in the first place.

By the way, Pot Roast wasn't a miss. He obviously wasn't a home run, so to speak, but he was a single at least. Stephen Paea was a miss, though: basically a strikeout.

I heard it from the horses mouth. Francois made the trip and was pissed he had to go, while Reyes stayed for the luncheon. Jean was playing at a better level and was in his second year with the team. Francois went only for emergency purposes not specifically to play. When you pull up the tape of their play, there is no way Reyes outperformed or should have been higher on the depth chart than Francois. That is politics to me. I could be wrong but it is what it is.

Scott McCloughan was working on a LONG term deal with Potroast prior to signing him. Potroast himself choose to only take a one year deal with intentions of having a successful season, as what the longterm deal the Redskins offered him was not comparable to top Nose tackles in the league.
I say it was a miss because they pictured him long term yet, there was rumblings half way through the season in letting him go 1st year. Most general managers noted that Potroast was out of shape and the only other team that wanted him that year was Raiders. Skins could have signed Dan Williams that year. Now I liked Potroast myself so and thought he could shore up the poor run defense, but the Potroast I wanted was the one that was in decent shape in Denver.

For you to have Kedric Golston, who when alot younger was only a shoot the gap guy at the NT position, that is a failure to recognize a position of need. You simply don't go without one in a 3-4. You can get away with having one in a TRUE 4-3. But you simply cannot in a 3-4 system. Golston, while aging already had an injury history and never in his career been known to hold the point of attack. Simple misevaluation.

For the record Ziggy Hood has played at a decent level but is only a rotational player at best to maximize his skills.

[riggofan]

I take your point, but we're not going to fix the d-line in free agency. I'm not really that upset that McCloughan "missed" on one of these guys. He didn't tie us up in some stupid contract with Reyes.

Well if we don't at least assist the Dline with quality defensive players in free agency that can play long term it will take several years of the draft (maybe 2-3 more drafts).

I know what you're saying man, honestly. I just don't believe there are many of these "quality" defensive linemen available in free agency. Those guys are on the street and available for a reason.

Like you said, its going to take 2-3 more years to remotely address the issue through the draft, so there's not much choice other than to try to find some guys in free agency. IMO though those players are far more likely to be mediocre or bad. I'm looking at some lists from earlier this year of "top defensive line FAs" and freaking Pot Roast is on several of them. The Giants paid $85m for Olivier Vernon, one of the top free agent DEs. That guy has 10 tackles and 1 sack in four games. Chris Baker has 15 tackles, 1 sack and a FF.

[Irn-Bru]

I heard it from the horses mouth. Francois made the trip and was pissed he had to go, while Reyes stayed for the luncheon. Jean was playing at a better level and was in his second year with the team. Francois went only for emergency purposes not specifically to play. When you pull up the tape of their play, there is no way Reyes outperformed or should have been higher on the depth chart than Francois. That is politics to me. I could be wrong but it is what it is.

Huh. That's really interesting — I guess it could have been some kind of favoritism.

It's weird that Mike Jones claimed Reyes played at Tampa. That's a strange mistake to make.

Scott McCloughan was working on a LONG term deal with Potroast prior to signing him. Potroast himself choose to only take a one year deal with intentions of having a successful season, as what the longterm deal the Redskins offered him was not comparable to top Nose tackles in the league.
I say it was a miss because they pictured him long term yet, there was rumblings half way through the season in letting him go 1st year.

OK. I hear you. I still feel like he played decent for us, but I agree that he was a disappointment in that we definitely wanted him to come in here and be a long-term player. Too bad he couldn't keep himself in shape, because he had a lot of potential.

[DaSkinz Baby]

I take your point, but we're not going to fix the d-line in free agency. I'm not really that upset that McCloughan "missed" on one of these guys. He didn't tie us up in some stupid contract with Reyes.

I just think that Reyes was more a Barry pick. He came from San Diego. Being honest he seems to be a FA brought here for depth not to start. He seems to have been a bust, injured and when playing hasn't done anything. I mean they could have cut Leonidis or whatever the guy brought up from the PS but to cut a guy that you paid over a million too seems to me a very telling sign. That as well as the Scott walking on water attitude that was running rampant is now coming back to what he really is. He does make mistakes.

[markshark84]

That as well as the Scott walking on water attitude that was running rampant is now coming back to what he really is. He does make mistakes.

Re the "walk on water" --- I don't think that Scot is infallible, but compared to the alternative and the bulls&!t we've been put through the past 20 years --- Scot is a God-send. I will take Scot on his worst day over Danny boy and his band of idiots on their absolute best.

[markshark84]

With no immediate intentions on re-signing according to Mike Jones of WP.

Reyes received a $1 million dollar bonus and never played like he should. While mainstay Ricky Jean, who had outperformed Reyes was sent to the Tampa Bay storm in the preseason instead of Reyes in a political move. How you think that made some of the players feel?

When this team start making moves that strictly have to do with football we will be back on track.

Not a big signing but among the list of misses on Scot McCloughan's list of free agents. Pot Roast another miss, not in the teams plans according to Mike Jones of the WP as well.

There aren't a ton of good DEs that enter the FA market. The good ones are locked up by their respective teams because (1) good GMs understand their immense value, and (2) the player knows that going somewhere else is a crapshoot. I find the ones that want to get as much $$$ as they can don't pan out.

That said, I wouldn't consider Scot's non-resign of Knighton as a mistake as he was cut by NE and is still at home right now. I also haven't heard that he's been trying to get back in shape, so Scot's decision basically was confirmed. Reyes was a low end FA signing and the expectation (at least for me) was never that he'd never be a "star" player (more a rotational guy). After all, the dude only had 3 sacks as a DE in 2 primarily FULL years playing.

It was a miss, but a small one. And the fact he's a Barry guy makes me wonder whether Barry has lost favor with Scot..... Now Panea was a bigger miss.

[DaSkinz Baby]

To be honest I am shocked someone didn't tell Scott to reach out to Hardy Potroast is still out there as well and most likely is in worse shape than last year. We do need DLine help but the options are terrible at best and again when you cut someone you pay 1 million to and keep a practice squad player that screams bad signing. I think unless there is some changes made with the way they are playing Barry will continue to take a lot of heat. I am also interested in the change in play in the second half of these last 2 games, if this will continue or was this just a mirage. I simply think we don't need alot of line help running the 3-4 what we need is one 350 pound dude that won't be pushed 3 or 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. I also think blitzing Kerrigan and Smith more would also help on 3rd downs. Until we get that NT we really need I don't see us stopping the run, we are too small across the board to plug the holes.

[riggofan]

That as well as the Scott walking on water attitude that was running rampant is now coming back to what he really is. He does make mistakes.

Re the "walk on water" --- I don't think that Scot is infallible, but compared to the alternative and the bulls&!t we've been put through the past 20 years --- Scot is a God-send. I will take Scot on his worst day over Danny boy and his band of idiots on their absolute best.

I'm with you, man. Nobody is infallible, and I don't expect perfection from McCloughan. He's 1000x better than what we've had in the front office over the past two decades, and I expect he'll hit on the right players more often than he'll miss.

I also reject the word "mistake" in what we're talking about. The team is dire straits when it comes to the d-line. We have no choice other than to take chances on risky free agents to fill those positions. I highly doubt that McCloughan is looking at guys like Paea or Reyes as "can't miss" free agent acquisitions, and I just don't consider it a "mistake" when those guys don't work out. The mistake was to spend years trading away draft picks and leave the roster in such sorry shape.

[DaSkinz Baby]

That as well as the Scott walking on water attitude that was running rampant is now coming back to what he really is. He does make mistakes.

Re the "walk on water" --- I don't think that Scot is infallible, but compared to the alternative and the bulls&!t we've been put through the past 20 years --- Scot is a God-send. I will take Scot on his worst day over Danny boy and his band of idiots on their absolute best.

I'm with you, man. Nobody is infallible, and I don't expect perfection from McCloughan. He's 1000x better than what we've had in the front office over the past two decades, and I expect he'll hit on the right players more often than he'll miss.

I also reject the word "mistake" in what we're talking about. The team is dire straits when it comes to the d-line. We have no choice other than to take chances on risky free agents to fill those positions. I highly doubt that McCloughan is looking at guys like Paea or Reyes as "can't miss" free agent acquisitions, and I just don't consider it a "mistake" when those guys don't work out. The mistake was to spend years trading away draft picks and leave the roster in such sorry shape.

I agree 100% that we finally have a person that has enough knowledge in football making the decisions. The only point I was trying to bring up was the blind homerism shown at first hire. The IN SCOTT WE TRUST and all the other things spewed. I also see that Scott got a lot of kudo's for Seattle and that wasn't true. John Schneider built Seattle, Scott was in the front office and was at that point more or less a scout. He went to interview Wilson but wasn't responsible for drafting him. Recently there has been discussion on whether Scott is doing an adequate job, he picked Scherff as a RT and he stunk there and was pushed inside and there is still a question as to why didn't we take Williams that the Jet's picked up who is now wrecking havoc. There is also been a lot of criticism of the Doctson pick this year and how this dude has bust written all over him. I can see the reason he was drafted, I believe Gruden saw him as the Redskins version of AJ Green and Cousins is the Redskins Dalton. Personally we all knew that our defensive line was and still is the weakest link and I think there is legitimate discussion that picking a receiver when we have Garcon, Jackson, Crowder, Grant and Ross was a luxury pick that we didn't have. I mean at this point there has been some drafting of defense but the focus of DL seems to be serious oversight. Wouldn't you agree with that assessment?

[SkinsJock]

PLEASE - Scot is trying to get this franchise back together ...

when you look at where we were and where we were going with Snyder - is it any wonder we are happy to have Scot here

btw ... this was your post, less than a week ago ....

Because you may or may not have played college ball? WTF! OK, I surrender! This site is full of Extremeskin rejects that must be married to overweight women more hairy than yourselves. I'm outta here - every year I try to post to this site to see if the caveman mentality has grown but as always, the internet tough guy, sideshow Bobs, rear their heads.
Let me go back to a real discussion board and stay off this pretend site. LATER!!!

[markshark84]

I agree 100% that we finally have a person that has enough knowledge in football making the decisions. The only point I was trying to bring up was the blind homerism shown at first hire. The IN SCOTT WE TRUST and all the other things spewed.

I don't think anyone really had a choice. Scot was the first GM this team has had since Danny boy stole the team. Anyone with half a brain knows that Danny boy is an idiot and cancer to this franchise. Any semblance of a normally run franchise was a breath of fresh air. People were just happy that our idiot boy owner was handing over a responsibility he never should have undertaken.

Recently there has been discussion on whether Scott is doing an adequate job, he picked Scherff as a RT and he stunk there and was pushed inside and there is still a question as to why didn't we take Williams that the Jet's picked up who is now wrecking havoc.

I don't think anyone can argue Scot hasn't done an "adequate" job given what he inherited. Isn't it like nearly 60% of our ending year 2014 roster is no longer in the NFL? He had a great first offseason, a better draft, another solid offseason, and a poor 2nd draft (as it currently stands). I'll take that over what we are used to..... And what if we didn't have Scherf???? How would our OL look? If we didn't have him, the OL would be a complete mess..... sort of like how our DL is currently...

I also wanted Williams too --- in fact I remember watching anticipating that we was going to be drafted by us as the card was opened --- only to hear Scherf's name. At the time Williams was the "hot" pick.

There is also been a lot of criticism of the Doctson pick this year and how this dude has bust written all over him. I can see the reason he was drafted, I believe Gruden saw him as the Redskins version of AJ Green and Cousins is the Redskins Dalton. Personally we all knew that our defensive line was and still is the weakest link and I think there is legitimate discussion that picking a receiver when we have Garcon, Jackson, Crowder, Grant and Ross was a luxury pick that we didn't have. I mean at this point there has been some drafting of defense but the focus of DL seems to be serious oversight. Wouldn't you agree with that assessment?

Not sure there was "criticism" until Doctson became perpetually hurt. Before people knew he had injury issues, I think most liked the pick. With regards to the pick, I think it was done in anticipation of Jackson AND Garcon being free agents next year --- but that being said, I more think it was because he thought he was the most talented player at the 22nd spot.

Again, I don't think you are grasping the BPA model. Need DOESN'T matter under the BPA model. I 180% agree that not addressing the DL was an issue. I wonder if Scot thought Reyes, Hood, etc. would be stopgaps of a sort. But again, using the BPA approach, your need is not taken into consideration when drafting ---- and BPA is the model all the top teams use.

[DaSkinz Baby]

I agree 100% that we finally have a person that has enough knowledge in football making the decisions. The only point I was trying to bring up was the blind homerism shown at first hire. The IN SCOTT WE TRUST and all the other things spewed.

I don't think anyone really had a choice. Scot was the first GM this team has had since Danny boy stole the team. Anyone with half a brain knows that Danny boy is an idiot and cancer to this franchise. Any semblance of a normally run franchise was a breath of fresh air. People were just happy that our idiot boy owner was handing over a responsibility he never should have undertaken.

Recently there has been discussion on whether Scott is doing an adequate job, he picked Scherff as a RT and he stunk there and was pushed inside and there is still a question as to why didn't we take Williams that the Jet's picked up who is now wrecking havoc.

I don't think anyone can argue Scot hasn't done an "adequate" job given what he inherited. Isn't it like nearly 60% of our ending year 2014 roster is no longer in the NFL? He had a great first offseason, a better draft, another solid offseason, and a poor 2nd draft (as it currently stands). I'll take that over what we are used to..... And what if we didn't have Scherf???? How would our OL look? If we didn't have him, the OL would be a complete mess..... sort of like how our DL is currently...

I also wanted Williams too --- in fact I remember watching anticipating that we was going to be drafted by us as the card was opened --- only to hear Scherf's name. At the time Williams was the "hot" pick.

There is also been a lot of criticism of the Doctson pick this year and how this dude has bust written all over him. I can see the reason he was drafted, I believe Gruden saw him as the Redskins version of AJ Green and Cousins is the Redskins Dalton. Personally we all knew that our defensive line was and still is the weakest link and I think there is legitimate discussion that picking a receiver when we have Garcon, Jackson, Crowder, Grant and Ross was a luxury pick that we didn't have. I mean at this point there has been some drafting of defense but the focus of DL seems to be serious oversight. Wouldn't you agree with that assessment?

Not sure there was "criticism" until Doctson became perpetually hurt. Before people knew he had injury issues, I think most liked the pick. With regards to the pick, I think it was done in anticipation of Jackson AND Garcon being free agents next year --- but that being said, I more think it was because he thought he was the most talented player at the 22nd spot.

Again, I don't think you are grasping the BPA model. Need DOESN'T matter under the BPA model. I 180% agree that not addressing the DL was an issue. I wonder if Scot thought Reyes, Hood, etc. would be stopgaps of a sort. But again, using the BPA approach, your need is not taken into consideration when drafting ---- and BPA is the model all the top teams use.

Not sure if your in the area but I listen to sports radio here in the DC area. The Fan 106.7 all day everyday is talk about The Redskins and the issues I bring up. Most of what I post comes from The Junkies or some other show that follows that one. The hire of Scott doesn't necessarily mean Danny Boy isn't still messing with the groceries. Maybe he is using Scott as a talent evaluator and still making the final decision because he signs the checks. Recently this week the Doctson pick was discussed at length. Comparison's to Malcolm Kelly are starting. At the end we don't know but still there are talking points on many levels which is what I try to achieve here. It's just frustrating at times because so many internet QB's are quick to discredit a post or make it seem like they are in the NFL on the Redskins active roster....LOL!!

[SkinsJock]

I'm a big McCloughan fan, much of that is because of the damage that Snyder has done - I really doubt that Snyder is meddling with the players & coaches much, if at all, although, I do have some concern about his friendship/relationship with Bruce Allen

McCloughan was not a sure thing - there was a lot of baggage in his past but he has started this team down a totally different path - there will be some ups and downs - McCloughan really wants the opportunity to turn this franchise around - we finally have a GM that will make all players and coaches realize that they are accountable for what they do here, in practice and on Sundays

I'm kind of glad that I don't live in Annapolis anymore and don't have to put up with the blind fan loyalty and the very biased media

I love the Redskins and McCloughan just needs time - the alternative to his not working out here is for us to go back to Snyder's way of doing things because Danny boy is not going to hire a super NFL GM that might overshadow his huge ego

[mastdark81]

It is like this fellas. Scot needs time, he has a good track record but I'm going to call it like it is. My problem with the organization is more the structure. I give Dan Snyder an A+ for trying things but never does set this team up with the proper foundation. Here is what I mean:

Bruce Allen is essentially Dan Snyder's voice. So when you have a critical decision to be made, such as Rg3, Kirk, big named free agents...whatever Dan thinks he will get Bruce's approval. Scot can think something else but be overwritten due to 2 (bruce/dan) to 1 (scott). Bruce Allen is a yes man just like Vinny. Sure he has alot more relationships with NFL coaches, scouts, gms, and agents but if Dan doesn't want to sign Kirk then Bruce will not want to sign Kirk. This is why I bark at all the fans that always intimate that this team has changed because it hasn't, it is just more disguised.

McCloughan was brought in with a good reputation around the league but the mistake on this position of power was keeping the same brain of scouting staff as Joe Gibbs 2.0 (Scott Campbell and to a lesser extent Alex Santos, since he was in another position). How have our drafting been since 2004? So how do we keep this man and not start clean I do not know. Doug Williams is just an african american "face". Back to Scott Campbell. His crew is bringing Scot McCloughan groceries, and it is Scot's job to pick the best of the groceries that is given to him by the guy that has been here since 2004. What you have seen since 2004 have been high emphasis in skilled positions and low emphasis in the trenches. You have seen players that lack speed and size in today's modern football. Are we the only team still talking about wanting a "big" receiver? Ryan Grant would had never been drafted by most scouts as high. My guess is by the time you get past the 4th round Campbell/coaching staff have more influence on these lower round picks...Scott is round 1-4...and Bruce has a hand in the free agents, as far as the salary. Keep in mind In Scot We Trust is really in Bruce We Trust, because Allen is McCloughan's boss.

Bruce is cheap and Scot isn't big on free agency, thus it is DRAFT, PATIENCE, or nothing! With that said in this offseason or at this current moment I hope that Scot is finding new scouts.

Lastly, what I'm saying is, with every good move we make we are cancelling them out. When everyone behind the scenes are not on the same page, thats where you get LEAKS. So we still have this unstable foundation.

[SkinsJock]

If Snyder/Allen are 'managing' things here or are making decisions on who plays & coaches - we would not have Gruden or Cousins

this franchise is presently being 'managed' by McCloughan - Snyder and Allen are 'involved' but they are 'letting' Scot do his thing

we do well this season, people keep their jobs - if not then changes will be made by McCloughan

IT's THAT SIMPLE







HOPEFULLY we do not go back to having Snyder & Allen involved with ANYTHING to do with players or coaches

[mastdark81]

If Snyder/Allen are 'managing' things here or are making decisions on who plays & coaches - we would not have Gruden or Cousins

this franchise is presently being 'managed' by McCloughan - Snyder and Allen are 'involved' but they are 'letting' Scot do his thing

we do well this season, people keep their jobs - if not then changes will be made by McCloughan

IT's THAT SIMPLE


You know Bruce Allen outside of Snyder still holds highest rank right? He didnt lose his title. He is McCloughans boss.

He is Snyders "yes" man and voice. If Dan is adament about something he is going to back him against Scott






HOPEFULLY we do not go back to having Snyder & Allen involved with ANYTHING to do with players or coaches