there were many that wondered if Griffin can survive a full season but there were also a number of haters that were convinced that he is not even capable to play QB in the NFL - looks like we will have some fun with that this season ...
The more Griffin plays in coach Hue Jackson's offense, the better he's going to get, which should be encouraging news for Browns fans. On the other hand, don't look for Cody Kessler to play in a single game this season, because he doesn't seem to have any clue what's going on.
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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
From what I heard he completed a 49 yard td pass albeit - preseason I'd say the kid still has the ability to play just as long as he manages to stay healthy
I watched part of the replay. Griffin was in for 2 series. On the first play from scrimmage Robert threw a bomb for a big completion on a driving catch by Tyrell Pryor. After that he completed 3 short passes, had a pick throwing at a tight end in triple coverage and missed on a few other passes. He was frequently under pressure, got hit a few times. He may have been holding the ball too long but he only got 2 possessions so didn't have an opportunity to get into a rhythm.
I continued to watch the game after Griffin was replaced and the Browns look awful. They were 3-13 last season and may be worse this year. Robert may have found a coach that believes in him but unfortunately the supporting cast looks awful. Things may get better if Gordon stays out of trouble and is allowed to play but being the QB for the Browns is a tough gig.
Cleveland unfortunately was/is the worst possible landing spot for Robert.. that team has a fascinating way of just obliterating qbs careers. I wish nothing but the best for RG (except any time he plays vs us of course), his work ethic and love for the game might make him the exception to the (Cleveland city of Qb carousel) rule... but if I had to be completely honest I'd predict an up and down season; likely capped with an injury or 2. No pressure no diamonds!
#21 forever in our hearts “I wanted to just… put his lights out ….because, you know, …Dallas sucks…” - Dexter Manley
The one thing I'd like to add regarding my observations is the Cleveland game looks like a solid W for Washington no matter who is playing QB for the Browns that day. It is tough for a team to go 0-16 but Cleveland definitely has 0-16 potential.
this is not going to be an easy place to prove the doubters wrong but this kid is not a quitter
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Griffin had a good second game with 2 TDs and couple of long runs. I didn't see the game so I'm wondering if the runs were read option runs or did he tuck it down and run out of a pass formation in any case his stats are nice.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Just watched the replay of the Browns game and Robert played very well. They are using the read option and one of his two 20 yard runs came off a read option play and the other one when he rolled to the right and took it up the field. The roll out play looked like a designed run. On both runs Robert smartly slid feet first before a guy got within 5 yards of him. Maybe losing his job, sitting on the bench the bench and getting released finally got through to him. Whatever the reason if he can stick to sliding early like this his chances of staying healthy and succeeding as a starter in the league go way up.
He threw the ball well throughout the half. He had two long passes for about 50 yards in the air each. Another bomb to Pryor and the other one to his tight end. Both of them were long sideline passes with a nice arc that dropped in for his receivers, excellent throws. He also made a number of good short and mid range throws.
Griffin got sacked on one play because he held the ball a long time on a deep drop and never stepped up into the pocket. The LT eventually got beat on an inside move after the play dragged on too long and Robert got hit another time when he didn't see a blitz coming. Other those two plays Robert looked really comfortable in the Cleveland offense. He is productive in the read option and disciplined enough now to slide and he seemed comfortable running Hue's offense which is probably a lot simpler than Gruden's WCO. The Browns offense plays to Griffin's strengths in running and throwing the deep ball. Pryor is emerging as a very effective deep threat with great size and speed. I don't think the Browns need Josh Gordon but having Gordon and Pryor on the field would make some good targets.
Spot on, honest evaluation. Very refreshing to read an unbiased post about RG, and giving props where do from ya OldSkewl!!
I don't think you meant that he did, but to clarify, they didn't run the read option every down... and Robert actually looked good in the pocket.
I'll also add that one of his sacks was a blown protection from the FB. IDK if he made that blocking assignment at the line or not, but OT was obvious that he missed the block and gave up the sack.
Another nice thing to see, apart from the smart feet first slides, was on a horrible snap. From the shotgun position the center hiked the ball about 6 feet over the b and about 40 feet past him... RGiii smartly dove on it, instead of trying to be superman and make a play. That's a definite sign of maturity from what we saw here.
*he ended up getting face masked and got a first down out of the play any how.
#21 forever in our hearts “I wanted to just… put his lights out ….because, you know, …Dallas sucks…” - Dexter Manley
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:A divorce certainly doesn't mean woman beating d bag.
Meeting the chick on instagram, getting her name tattooed on his arm after 3 months, buying a house with his wife in April, knowing that he's leaving her, sexting on his wedding night, makes me think he's a tool. He also thought it was prudent to announce his divorce to his teammates and coaches. The stories that were told about him for years, which we all turned a blind eye to, about him being delusional, seem to be more true than ever.
OldSchool wrote:Griffin had a good second game with 2 TDs and couple of long runs. I didn't see the game so I'm wondering if the runs were read option runs or did he tuck it down and run out of a pass formation in any case his stats are nice.
He played really well. Thought he was fine the first game too. One was a read-option and the other was just a roll out (nobody appeared open) and scramble. He even threw one away out of bounds and the other imcompletion was a drop by the rb. What the stats do not tell you is he was without his top 3 wr's. Pryor is the 4th guy. Don't think the sack was his fault...the olineman appeared to get beat from the snap (only seen one time so i can't be so sure). But RG took the sack instead of forcing it. Thought he made good decisions. Hue is a good teacher, him and Pep.
Interesting that this is the best he have looked I've seen him even better than his rookie year (preseason wise). Crazy but he didn't run 1 read option and was under center the majority of the time last year smh. If it translates then the Browns may be a .500 team.
In other news Alfred Morris has looked good too, like his rookie year or close. Boy look hungry and it helps that the line is better.
Still early to tell though. I heard DYoung may be in Chicago.
OldSchool wrote:Griffin had a good second game with 2 TDs and couple of long runs. I didn't see the game so I'm wondering if the runs were read option runs or did he tuck it down and run out of a pass formation in any case his stats are nice.
He played really well. Thought he was fine the first game too. One was a read-option and the other was just a roll out (nobody appeared open) and scramble. He even threw one away out of bounds and the other imcompletion was a drop by the rb. What the stats do not tell you is he was without his top 3 wr's. Pryor is the 4th guy. Don't think the sack was his fault...the olineman appeared to get beat from the snap (only seen one time so i can't be so sure). But RG took the sack instead of forcing it. Thought he made good decisions. Hue is a good teacher, him and Pep.
Interesting that this is the best he have looked I've seen him even better than his rookie year (preseason wise). Crazy but he didn't run 1 read option and was under center the majority of the time last year smh. If it translates then the Browns may be a .500 team.
In other news Alfred Morris has looked good too, like his rookie year or close. Boy look hungry and it helps that the line is better.
Still early to tell though. I heard DYoung may be in Chicago.
I agree with you Robert looked good running Hue's offense. I did see the sack a couple of times and it appeared to me that Robert dropped deep and remained at that level instead of climbing back into the pocket as he should to do his part to help the lineman maintain the pocket. That aside he looked the most comfortable and effective I've seen him play. The most impressive thing for me was the two long runs capped off with crisp leg first slides before anyone got within 5 yards of him. Robert played a smart Russell style game where he used his mobility but without taking stupid risks. Cleveland has been the deathbed of their last 20-25 QBs so maybe the are due for a resurrection....
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:A divorce certainly doesn't mean woman beating d bag.
Meeting the chick on instagram, getting her name tattooed on his arm after 3 months, buying a house with his wife in April, knowing that he's leaving her, sexting on his wedding night, makes me think he's a tool. He also thought it was prudent to announce his divorce to his teammates and coaches. The stories that were told about him for years, which we all turned a blind eye to, about him being delusional, seem to be more true than ever.
Well I certainly don't know the ins and outs of his personal life; that's the first I've heard of all that too.
Maybe they got pregnant then she wanted to get married knowing they'd get a divorce to take half dat ass? IDK, bit o try not to judge people in situations like this unless there was physical abuse is Ray Rice type of *sh$t*
#21 forever in our hearts “I wanted to just… put his lights out ….because, you know, …Dallas sucks…” - Dexter Manley
I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level ... except on week 4
it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level ... except on week 4
it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans
I don't think it will happen. He cannot play in the pocket. He did not develop any skills in that direction in Washington... and I can't imagine that he has picked them up now. Hue Jackson has staked his coaching career on this super talented athlete with a sprinter's body, who cannot be successful playing in a system that would protect that body. His success will come from his mobility, his ability to threaten the edges, and freeze linebackers and DE's. And, that sprinter's body will be broken... again. And Hue Jackson will find his career in jeopardy, as well.
Don't like it. Still like Bob. ..But, he is not a physical match for NFL play. His demise is inevitable, IMO. I like Hue Jackson... but he has staked his future to a glass athlete.
That is my Bob prediction.
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SkinsJock wrote:haters are going to hate - I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level, except week 4
it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans
Just admit that you want Griffin to have a better season than Cousins because you desperately want to be proven right.
you just don't get it - I want Griffin to prove that he can play QB in the NFL and that he should have been coached/taught to play the position differently - this would seem to be a most difficult place to go .... but
I really hope Cousins shows the Redskins that they were wrong in their (and my) estimation of what he's worth
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level ... except on week 4
it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans
I don't think it will happen. He cannot play in the pocket. He did not develop any skills in that direction in Washington... and I can't imagine that he has picked them up now. Hue Jackson has staked his coaching career on this super talented athlete with a sprinter's body, who cannot be successful playing in a system that would protect that body. His success will come from his mobility, his ability to threaten the edges, and freeze linebackers and DE's. And, that sprinter's body will be broken... again. And Hue Jackson will find his career in jeopardy, as well.
Don't like it. Still like Bob. ..But, he is not a physical match for NFL play. His demise is inevitable, IMO. I like Hue Jackson... but he has staked his future to a glass athlete.
That is my Bob prediction.
I agree with most of this and I think that this is a very difficult place to go to try and make the transition from the way that he's played QB but maybe Hue can coach him up
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
RGIII is trash and so is anyone spending more time in this thread than in the Hogwash forum.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:RGIII is trash and so is anyone spending more time in this thread than in the Hogwash forum
thanks for showing up and clearing up any doubts about your integrity as well
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:thanks for showing up and clearing up any doubts about your integrity as well
You do realize the tongue sticking out emoticon indicates a joke, right?
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
