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Hmmmm....... do a little research. Don't believe everything you read on the NET. Check it and recheck it..........I'm just sayin


Subject: Conveniently Forgotten Facts.

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow Black Panther named Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was suspected of disloyalty. Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his friends tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him.

When they got tired of torturing Rackley, Black Panther member, Warren Kimbro took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven , Connecticut .

Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black Panthers?

In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the killers was still in jail.

The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a scholarship to Harvard and became good friends with none other than Al Gore. He later became an assistant dean at an Eastern Connecticut State College. (THE SHOOTER !)

Isn't that something!!!

As a 60's radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head and a few years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant college dean!

Only in America !!!

Erica Huggins was the woman who served the Panthers by boiling the water for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later, Ms. Huggins was elected to a California School Board.

How in the world do you think these killers got off so easily?

Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers.

These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial.

One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member of a California School Board. He is now head of the United States Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, appointed by none other than Bill Clinton. (YEP! BILL CLINTON OUR PAST PRESIDENT)

OK, so who was the other Panther defender? Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No, neither!

The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University at the time. She is now known as The "smartest woman in the world." She is none other than the former Democratic senator from the State of New York ---- our former First Lady, and the Secretary of State, the incredible, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And now, as Paul Harvey said; "You know the rest of the story."

Pass this on!

This deserves the widest possible press.

Remember this when she runs for President!

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I just cannot imagine this great country will put Hillary Clinton in the White House - I became a US citizen in 1992 so that I could vote - It's impossible to believe that this great country wants the Clinton family back in the White House

I'm not conservative or liberal - I voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012 - I'm not for anyone in particular, I'm just vehemently against Hillary
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I think you posted a wall of text without a source or citation. Therefore, seeing as how I have to waste time researching the veracity of the claims in order to respond intelligently I won't bother.

Typical political nonsense. Just say anything negative about someone you don't like and place the onus on everyone else to verify it.
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tribeofjudah wrote:Hmmmm....... do a little research. Don't believe everything you read on the NET. Check it and recheck it..........I'm just sayin


Nice of you to suggest we do what you clearly did not do.

CALLING BS:

Claim: Hillary Clinton supported and helped free two Black Panthers accused of torturing and murdering Alex Rackley.


FALSE

Example: [Collected via e-mail, 1999]

Scream, America, When You've Had Enough

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a Black man named Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was a fellow Panther suspected of disloyalty.

Rackley was first tied to a chair. Safely immobilized his "friends" tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him.

When they got tired of torturing Rackley Black Panther member Warren Kimbro took Mr. Rackley's outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackley's body was found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn.

Maybe at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black Panthers. Well, in 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a scholarship to Harvard. He later became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College.

Isn't that something? As a 60's radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head, and years later, in the same State, you can be an assistant college dean! Only in America!

Ericka Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the water for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a California school board.

How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well, maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial. One of those people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member of a California school board. He is the head of the U.S. Justice Departments Civil Rights Division. Lee is serving in that capacity, illegally, by the way, but that's another story — another part of the Clinton saga of ignoring the rule of law.

O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean?

Nope, neither. The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University at that time. She is now known as The Smartest Woman in the World. She is none other than the unofficial Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from the State of New York — our lovely First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.


MUCH LESS BIASED AND MORE FACTUAL VERSION OF THE EVENTS:

Origins: It's difficult for those who weren't around to experience the 1960s first-hand to fully understand the controversy that swirled around radical parties such as the Black Panthers. Certainly many Americans viewed them as representing the very worst of that era's political movements: a group of hate-filled militant thugs who felt their disaffection with the existing social and political systems justified anything required to achieve their aim of "revolution by any means necessary" (such as smuggling guns into a Marin County courtroom in an attempt to free Panther George Jackson, resulting in a shoot-out that killed a judge, two inmates, and Jackson's brother). Others at the time, however, believed the Panthers were the only political group that truly represented a downtrodden and marginalized group of people who had been enslaved, discriminated against, and denied civil rights protections for hundreds of years; that sought to improve the condition of the poor by operating schools, opening medical clinics, and providing free breakfasts for ghetto children; and that had the courage to stand up to the brutality visited upon them by law enforcement acting in the service of a government and a society that sought to "keep them in their place."

In May of 1969, Black Panther founder and national chairman Bobby Seale (who had already been indicted for his alleged participation in demonstrations at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in August 1968) made a trip from Oakland to New Haven, Connecticut, to speak at Yale University. The Black Panthers were by then nationally known, a focus of media attention, and under the active surveillance of the FBI. (J. Edgar Hoover had publicly declared several months earlier that he considered the Panthers "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country.") Rumors of police informants and government spies having infiltrated the party were rampant, and a man named Alex Rackley, a member of the Panthers' New York chapter, fell under suspicion. Rackley was taken to the home of Warren Kimbro (described as a "community organizer and aspiring Panther") where he was held captive for 24 hours, beaten, and scalded with boiling water in an effort to force him to confess. Rackley was then taken to a marsh in Middlefield by Kimbro, George Sams (a Panther field marshal and, according to some, himself a police informant), and Lonnie McLucas (a Panther member from Bridgeport), where Sams ordered Kimbro and McLucas to kill the suspected informant. (Who did the actual killing has always been disputed: McLucas reportedly fired the first shot, but Kimbro admitted to delivering the bullet to the head that killed Rackley.) Rackley's body was discovered the next day by fishermen, and fourteen Black Panthers were arrested and charged with murder, kidnapping, and conspiracy, and nine of them were indicted.

The subsequent murder trials of Black Panthers that took place in New Haven beginning in 1970 was a cause célèbre, the latest "trial of the century" that pitted the "establishment" against the "radicals": the former supposedly valiantly defending the values of mainstream American society, while the latter were supposedly being framed and railroaded by government powers determined to destroy them at any cost. Upwards of 12,000 Black Panther supporters made their way to New Haven, and many of them were housed and fed in and around the campus of Yale University. Classes at Yale were made optional for the last few months of the term as Panther supporters swarmed the campus in protest and the president of Yale University, Kingman Brewster Jr., announced: "I personally want to say that I'm appalled and ashamed that things should have come to such a pass that I am skeptical of the ability of Black revolutionaries to achieve a fair trial anywhere in the U.S."

From that maelstrom came the 1999 political piece reproduced above, which claims that two 1990's political figures, Hillary Clinton (then First Lady) and Bill Lann Lee (former acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division whose appointment by President Bill Clinton was controversial because of Lee's support for affirmative action programs), defended the Black Panthers, helped "shut down" Yale University, and aided the accused Panthers in going free or serving lenient sentences. But all of that is gross exaggeration: neither Clinton nor Lee did any of those things, and any involvement they had with the New Haven Black Panther trials was extremely minor and tangential.

We'll begin with the last part, the claim that "These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial." This statement is ridiculously far-fetched: Yale University went to a "voluntarily optional" class schedule (it did not "shut down") for a few months at the end of the term in mid-1970 because thousands of Black Panther protesters had flooded the campus and its environs, not because of anything Hillary Clinton or Bill Lee did. And while the Panthers made have found many sympathetic supporters among the student body at Yale, neither Hillary Clinton or Bill Lee led or participated in student demonstrations in support of the Black Panthers, or spoke up in their defense.

The above-quoted article also asks "How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well, maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers." But neither Bill Lee nor Hillary Clinton "defended" the Panthers, either in a public or a legal sense. Bill Lee wasn't a lawyer, or even a law student; he was simply another Yale undergraduate who had no involvement in the Black Panthers' trial. Hillary Rodham (as she was known then) wasn't a lawyer then, either: She was a Yale law student, and like many of her politically-minded fellow law students who saw the latest "trial of the century" taking place just outside the main gate of their school, she took advantage of an opportunity to be involved in the case in a minor, peripheral way by organizing other students to help the American Civil Liberties Union monitor the trials for civil rights violations. Her tangential participation in the trial in no way helped "free" Black Panthers tried for the murder of Alex Rackley

In fact, the killers of Alex Rackley didn't "go free": Lonnie McLucas was was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to twelve to fifteen years in prison, and Warren Kimbro and George Sams turned state's evidence and pleaded guilty to second degree murder, serving four years in prison. Bobby Seale and Ericka Huggins (who were accused not of killing Rackley, but of being present during his captivity and boiling water to torture him with) went free not due to any efforts on the part of Hillary Clinton or Bill Lee, but because the state failed to sufficiently prove its case against them: the jury deadlocked in favor of acquittal for both defendants, and the trial judge dismissed the charges against both of them. And, of course, neither Hillary Clinton nor Bill Lee had anything to do with the post-trial lives of Seale and Huggins.

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Just gonna be honest. I believe a man is the head of household. However every good home needs man and woman. Maybe I would feel different if the lady were like Princess Diana? But Hillary? I like Bill not Hillary.

Hillary just reeks of lies and corruption.

Don't be fooled it's all a setup anyhow.

It's funny how none of the media shine any positive light on Trump.
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Softening the evil that was, and likely is, the Black Panthers and other '60's terrorists (eg Che Guevarra, who personally murdered hundreds) is typical of modern liberals... The fact is, Hillary Clinton made a living defending evil, in those days... Today, she makes a living using her public office to enrich herself, and giving speeches railing against "income inequality" while wearing thousand dollar designer jackets.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Just gonna be honest. I believe a man is the head of household. However every good home needs man and woman. Maybe I would feel different if the lady were like Princess Diana? But Hillary? I like Bill not Hillary.

It's funny how none of the media shine any positive light on Trump.


It's not funny in the least. Even FOX News can't find anything positive to say about Trump.

He's a lethal combination of dangerously verbose and willfully ignorant.

Not liking Clinton is fine. Thinking Trump is going to "Make America Great Again" is just plain stupid.

Trump cannot detail one single manner in which he plans on making America "great."

Even most Republicans think he's an idiot for wanting to build a wall on the Mexican border.

Even Mitch McConnell thinks he's unpresidential in action and appearance.

Every political map shows Trump supporters are the "Whitest" and least educated people in the country.

The Ku KLux Klan has openly stated Trump represents their values.

If that's anyone's idea of making America great again, I'll pass.
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No, I absolutely don't "wanna vote for the Lady Clinton." That said, Trump is going to force me to. God, how has it come to this?
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I cannot believe it's a choice between these 2 - Trump is making a complete mess of a great opportunity - totally agree that Trump has made it very difficult - he's a moron but the Republican party can and will 'control & manage' what he does if he becomes President - I don't trust Hilary

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SkinsJock wrote:the Republican party can and will 'control & manage' what he does if he becomes President

How do you figure? They have shown no ability to do anything of the kind so far, and he doesn't even have any power. How is that going to change if he controls the executive branch, whose powers have grown exponentially in the last 15 years?
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how come that executive branch is not helping the current White House resident? I agree that both these idiots leave a lot to be desired

IMO, the country will be better off going with the Republicans than going through another 4 years of the BS that the Democrats put us through

Obama promised that we would see 'change' - "change we can believe in" was the rhetoric - didn't happen! - why does anyone think that Trump is going to be able to do anything he's 'promised' - Obama didn't - we know that Hilary's lying, it's who she is
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Just gonna be honest. I believe a man is the head of household. However every good home needs man and woman. Maybe I would feel different if the lady were like Princess Diana? But Hillary? I like Bill not Hillary.

It's funny how none of the media shine any positive light on Trump.


It's not funny in the least. Even FOX News can't find anything positive to say about Trump.

He's a lethal combination of dangerously verbose and willfully ignorant.




Not liking Clinton is fine. Thinking Trump is going to "Make America Great Again" is just plain stupid.

Trump cannot detail one single manner in which he plans on making America "great."

Even most Republicans think he's an idiot for wanting to build a wall on the Mexican border.

Even Mitch McConnell thinks he's unpresidential in action and appearance.

Every political map shows Trump supporters are the "Whitest" and least educated people in the country.

The Ku KLux Klan has openly stated Trump represents their values.

If that's anyone's idea of making America great again, I'll pass.


What I mean by funny is how the elite take us for fools.

What I am saying is Trump was made to run to purposely lose. In order for Hillary to win. He has angered too many of the needed voters if he were truly wanting to win.
The last election showed that you need the Latino vote to win. Yet trump angers Latinos,Muslims, women. At least that's what the media is spinning.

Look at our Country's past. Kennedy was shot and killed. Does anyone actually think it was Lee Harvey Oswald who killed Kennedy?

There are powers behind the scenes ensuring that there agenda is going forward. That means rigging elections. Etc..
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HEROHAMO wrote:What I am saying is Trump was made to run to purposely lose. In order for Hillary to win. He has angered too many of the needed voters if he were truly wanting to win.
The last election showed that you need the Latino vote to win. Yet trump angers Latinos,Muslims, women. At least that's what the media is spinning.


I don't think that's the case. I think the Republican party has been a house divided amongst itself for quite some time. I think many a Republican would openly oppose Trump if partisanship were not a prime consideration.

The biggest problem with a two party system is the "You're either with us or against us" dichotomy.

No. An individual person can be with one side on one issue, with the other side on another issue, and in complete disagreement with both sides on issues.

When money is not involved.

Ultimately, it's our fault for putting these people in office in the first place and not removing them when they fail to keep the promises which were cause for them to have been elected in the first place.

That's why Trump is so popular. People are disenfranchised with career politicians.
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There are many Americans that are not going to vote, who have very strong opinions about both candidates, that are being included by the pollsters and the media when they predict who is favored to win the election and why
most Americans that are going to vote have a very bad opinion of how this country is being run and managed by the politicians

holding our politicians accountable for what they do and more importantly for their inaction is not a strong suit of the current USA

There are many more supporters of Trump that are VERY against all politicians than there are amongst those who support Clinton

most Trump supporters want to change the way this country is being run and managed by these politicians

IMO - Hilary does not represent any change in making our country more secure or a better place to live
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SkinsJock wrote:Hilary does not represent any change in making our country more secure or a better place to live

And Trump does? Clinton is more of the same. Trump would make things a whole lot worse.
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Deadskins wrote:And Trump does? Clinton is more of the same. Trump would make things a whole lot worse.


I agree. At least with Clinton you know what you're going to get.

Trump is a loose cannon.
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In the early '90s, I was a programmer specializing in banking systems. Several banks had loaned Trump the money to build his hotels and casinos in Atlantic City. The hotels and casinos were bankrupt, but banks had loaned Trump so much money that they put him on a payment-plan rather than write off the whole thing. However, they concluded that he is an incompetent businessman.

Trump maneuvered to put his personal debt into a public company of which he was the majority stockholder.

“People underestimated Donald Trump’s ability to pillage the company,” said Sebastian Pignatello, a private investor who at one time held stock in the Trump casinos worth more than $500,000. “He drove these companies into bankruptcy by his mismanagement, the debt and his pillaging.”


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So we have a Hobson's choice. Two people that want to take advantage of our political system for personal gain. Well, I say two, but we all know there are many more forces working behind the scenes than that we want special favors done for them. I am either voting Libertarian or Green party as I cannot willfully vote for either Trump or Billary.
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I am not voting for Hilary - I may change my mind about Trump being a complete idiot
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At this point, if you cast a vote for Trump you're a sponsor of racism. That's not to say you should cast a vote for Clinton.

It's to say that in a perfect democracy there would be no votes for either candidate and we, the People, would demand a better class of candidate.

In reality, we're all disillusioned and jaded and think it doesn't really matter who is elected because it won't improve our situation. 8-[
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Also, Trump doesn't recognize the 1st Amendment and is censoring press he doesn't like:

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Consider that carefully before casting a vote in his direction.
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I am just really mad at the politicians in general for not doing their jobs very well - at this time I am not leaning towards voting at all

I'm disappointed with having to make a choice between these 2 but I'm really more disappointed in the voters for putting this country in such a bad situation by voting in the imbeciles we have in DC like Nancy Pelosi etc ...
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Re: So you wanna vote for the Lady Clinton...?

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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Also, Trump doesn't recognize the 1st Amendment and is censoring press he doesn't like:

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Consider that carefully before casting a vote in his direction.


Both Hillary, Trump or any candidate in modern times control who is allowed into any event which is paid for by that person's party. If you paid for a hall where you are going to speak you have every right to control who is allowed inside. Which politicians have been doing forever. You think Hillary allows conservatives at her rallies? Yeah right. Only time you might have a fair audience is maybe the debates?

If anything the media is mostly liberal. Even Fox news the so called "conservative" channel bashes Trump. The media is totally liberal.

This day in age you cannot trust any news you see on TV. The only real way of knowing is seeing and hearing things with your own eyes and ears.
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Re: So you wanna vote for the Lady Clinton...?

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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Also, Trump doesn't recognize the 1st Amendment and is censoring press he doesn't like:

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Consider that carefully before casting a vote in his direction.
... and, yet, it's ok for Hillary to refuse an interview on Fox News until her corruption of the Democratic process has made her candidacy moot? LOL Hypocrisy lives! Trump is still a private citizen, and just like Hillary (whom apparently doesn't recognize the 2nd Amendment will probably hug the 5th Amendment soon, hasn't encountered a government security policy that actually applies to her, and lectures about income inequality while wearing thousand dollar Armani jackets) has the right to decline to speak with anyone he chooses...

Frankly, both are cowards, one lies habitually, and one doesn't know how to throttle his mouth. This election risks the end of America, which ever way it turns.
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