Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?

[OldSchool]

Another shortcoming in the article is the author fails to recognize Gruden's WCO is designed around short completions during into longer gains after the catch. He ignores the tenets of the WCO and disparages Kirk for the number of short passes. More importantly the recommendation to franchise Kirk and use a high draft pick for a QB in the draft sounds stupid to me. I think it would be stupid to use a high pick for QB and I can't imagine the Skins doing that now. Use the top picks to address a few of the many needs.

If they are not ready to give Kirk a big multi year deal with big guarantees use the franchise tag. You can continue the discussions after tagging him or wait it out and negotiate after he starts another season. Ideally they come to terms on a multi-year agreement with Kirk and another one with McCoy if he's content to be a long term back-up. If McCoy wants to move on I hope they sign an experienced FA backup for Kirk and not use a draft choice.

[Countertrey]

Another shortcoming in the article is the author fails to recognize Gruden's WCO is designed around short completions during into longer gains after the catch. He ignores the tenets of the WCO and disparages Kirk for the number of short passes. More importantly the recommendation to franchise Kirk and use a high draft pick for a QB in the draft sounds stupid to me. I think it would be stupid to use a high pick for QB and I can't imagine the Skins doing that now. Use the top picks to address a few of the many needs.

If they are not ready to give Kirk a big multi year deal with big guarantees use the franchise tag. You can continue the discussions after tagging him or wait it out and negotiate after he starts another season. Ideally they come to terms on a multi-year agreement with Kirk and another one with McCoy if he's content to be a long term back-up. If McCoy wants to move on I hope they sign an experienced FA backup for Kirk and not use a draft choice.

All true... but, unfortunately, it does not seem to fit whatever Ian Wharton's agenda as a Bleacher Report "columnist" is... so, we get "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH" from him... apparently, tons of words, and statistics without context make him feel he knows what he's talking about.

Apparently, he is completely unaware that Gruden's WCO is a ball control offense...

[riggofan]

If they are not ready to give Kirk a big multi year deal with big guarantees use the franchise tag. You can continue the discussions after tagging him or wait it out and negotiate after he starts another season.

I don't disagree. But the problem with the tag is that it eats up so much of the salary cap next year. I know we won't be big time players in free agency, but we still have guys that we need to sign. I'm sure everyone agrees that Kirk's best chance to be successful again next year is to improve the team around him on both sides of the ball.

[SkinsJock]

... I'm sure everyone agrees that Kirk's best chance to be successful again next year is to improve the team around him on both sides of the ball.

and ... probably more importantly, Kirk Cousins and his agent fully understand this concept as well

money talks louder than anything else in this game

[riggofan]

... I'm sure everyone agrees that Kirk's best chance to be successful again next year is to improve the team around him on both sides of the ball.

and ... probably more importantly, Kirk Cousins and his agent fully understand this concept as well

money talks louder than anything else in this game

Yeah I don't know about his agent, but Kirk is no dummy. He would not have had the season he had without a healthy DJax and healthy Jordan Reed. I don't mean that as a knock on Kirk by any stretch. Even guys like Rodgers and Brees struggled some this season without the right guys around them.

Getting a big payday is awesome, but I assume he would like to have a long and successful career as well.

[yupchagee]

Another shortcoming in the article is the author fails to recognize Gruden's WCO is designed around short completions during into longer gains after the catch. He ignores the tenets of the WCO and disparages Kirk for the number of short passes. More importantly the recommendation to franchise Kirk and use a high draft pick for a QB in the draft sounds stupid to me. I think it would be stupid to use a high pick for QB and I can't imagine the Skins doing that now. Use the top picks to address a few of the many needs.

If they are not ready to give Kirk a big multi year deal with big guarantees use the franchise tag. You can continue the discussions after tagging him or wait it out and negotiate after he starts another season. Ideally they come to terms on a multi-year agreement with Kirk and another one with McCoy if he's content to be a long term back-up. If McCoy wants to move on I hope they sign an experienced FA backup for Kirk and not use a draft choice.

I agree. Also by PBA a QB is unlikely because they are so frequently over drafted.

[SkinsJock]

The only way that the FO drafts a QB is if he's the BPA - That seems like an almost impossible occurrence to me

[DarthMonk]

The only way that the FO drafts a QB is if he's the BPA - That seems like an almost impossible occurrence to me

I agree it's unlikely but don't forget, Scot once picked Alex Smith #1 overall.

The 49ers might've beaten the Ravens had Smith been at QB. Kap was a late-season change. Smith went 6-2-1 then Kap went 5-2. Kap missed seeing some wide open guys in the end zone in the last possession. He might not even be a better runner than Smith. Anyway ... you never know where Scot might have a QB ranked.

But as someone said earlier, they may be over drafted in general making a pick of one in round #1 unlikely.

[hitmandm]

Cousins is not a franchise QB. He beats weak teams and looks lost against good ones. He is mentally good to be a QB in this league but unless he finds a stronger arm, he will never be a franchise QB.

Franchise him. Sign him to a low dollar longer term contract. However, do not lock this guy up to a long term high dollar contract. This guy is likely our Nick Foles so do not commit too much money to him unless he can prove it longer than a few games.

If he can go next year with a 100+ passer rating against a much better competitive set an a playoff berth, then pay the man. Until then, he has a high chance to have one year wonder written all over him.

[DarthMonk]

Suppose we go w/ $90 M over 5 years w/ $30 M guaranteed.

If 2 years later we are not pleased, he cost just over 30 M for 2 years, we let him go, and the cap hit is reasonable for the risk/reward.

If 2 years later we ARE pleased, then we are pleased with the next 3 years @ $20 M per.

I think the franchise tag this year means around $25 M. Even 6 years for $110 M with 40 M guaranteed would have a better 2 year out than the franchise number.

This is all rough and I'm flying by the seat of my pants here. Feel free to correct.

[Hooligan]

Cousins is not a franchise QB. He beats weak teams and looks lost against good ones.

It's been a while since we consistently beat weak teams. I'll take it.

Don't forget, the running game didn't give him any help.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Cousins is not a franchise QB. He beats weak teams and looks lost against good ones.

So, he won the games he's supposed to win with no running game and a suspect defense and lost the games he's supposed to lose? How criminal of him. Not like RGIII, who lost the games he was supposed to win. Ditto, Rex Grossman. Ditto, Donovan McNabb. Ditto, Jason Campbell. Ditto, Patrick Ramsey. Ditto, Shane Matthews. Ditto, Tony Banks. Ditto, Gus Frerotte. Ditto, Heath Shuler.

This franchise has had three quarterbacks who weren't complete trash since 1993, Trent Green, who played one season and they let walk away in typically stupid personnel move fashion, Brad Johnson, who played two seasons and they let walk away in typically stupid personnel move fashion, and Mark Brunell, who played three seasons and they let walk away in typically stupid personnel move fashion.

Are you seeing a trend here?

Pay Cousins.

Unless you have a better option, in which case I'm sure Scot McCloughan would love to hear it.

[StorminMormon86]

Also glad to have our QB start all 16 games for a change. Campbell was the last one to do that.

[hitmandm]

That article written by BR is right- and it just so happens to be much of the same stuff Ive said all year.

KC is much much more likely to be Nick Foles than Drew Brees. He played an easy schedule and could only beat weak teams. He hasn't shown he has the arm strength to beat the better teams which is something essential to be a franchise QB.

I think he gets a multi-year deal. He deserves one. But he does not deserve franchise QB money. He simply isn't that good or talented. His weak arm and inaccurate downfield passing were exposed too much against better competition. But if he does develop better physical traits, extend him at franchise QB money. But to say let's pay a 4th year player Franchise QB money when he cant beat winning teams or throw consistent accurate passes past 10 yards is crazy. I say Transition tag him and pay him one more year to prove it against a better strength of schedule. If he shows he is legit then pay him longer term.

The potential for the Redskins to be stuck with a Nick Foles QB at big money is very real with Kirk Cousins.

[StorminMormon86]

Foles played in a gimmick offense that caught the league off guard.

Our QB played in a traditional WCO that's been around and effective for years.

[OldSchool]

That article written by BR is right- and it just so happens to be much of the same stuff Ive said all year.

KC is much much more likely to be Nick Foles than Drew Brees. He played an easy schedule and could only beat weak teams. He hasn't shown he has the arm strength to beat the better teams which is something essential to be a franchise QB.

I think he gets a multi-year deal. He deserves one. But he does not deserve franchise QB money. He simply isn't that good or talented. His weak arm and inaccurate downfield passing were exposed too much against better competition. But if he does develop better physical traits, extend him at franchise QB money. But to say let's pay a 4th year player Franchise QB money when he cant beat winning teams or throw consistent accurate passes past 10 yards is crazy. I say Transition tag him and pay him one more year to prove it against a better strength of schedule. If he shows he is legit then pay him longer term.

The potential for the Redskins to be stuck with a Nick Foles QB at big money is very real with Kirk Cousins.

You dogged Cousins all season and now after he finished in the top 10 you continue to dog and him and dismiss his talent. You were totally wrong about Cousins in 2015 but you continue to be dismissive?

[Countertrey]

That article written by BR is right- and it just so happens to be much of the same stuff Ive said all year.

KC is much much more likely to be Nick Foles than Drew Brees. He played an easy schedule and could only beat weak teams. He hasn't shown he has the arm strength to beat the better teams which is something essential to be a franchise QB.

I think he gets a multi-year deal. He deserves one. But he does not deserve franchise QB money. He simply isn't that good or talented. His weak arm and inaccurate downfield passing were exposed too much against better competition. But if he does develop better physical traits, extend him at franchise QB money. But to say let's pay a 4th year player Franchise QB money when he cant beat winning teams or throw consistent accurate passes past 10 yards is crazy. I say Transition tag him and pay him one more year to prove it against a better strength of schedule. If he shows he is legit then pay him longer term.

The potential for the Redskins to be stuck with a Nick Foles QB at big money is very real with Kirk Cousins.

You dogged Cousins all season and now after he finished in the top 10 you continue to dog and him and dismiss his talent. You were totally wrong about Cousins in 2015 but you continue to be dismissive?

Kind of reminds me of someone...

[SkinsJock]

Kirk Cousins and his agent(s) know that they will get a good contract because he clearly 'earned' it
This Redskins FO has a very good idea of what it will take to get a deal done

this is NOT going to be "a big money deal" - Kirk is not going to expect it and this FO is not paying stupid money for Cousins


I have confidence that we will see Kirk Cousins playing QB here in 2016 - actually it would be a huge surprise for him to not be here

we now have a FO that has a plan AND they are very aware of what it will take to sign all the players they need - not just the QB

"these guys are good"

[hitmandm]

KC has too high a potential to be a bust. He has a weak arm, played a weak schedule and just plain got lucky. He melted against good competition and doesn't have the physical tools to beat better teams ever. Although months late, its good to see sensible articles popping up in the WSJ and the like analyzing what I have been saying all along.

The Redskins know what KC homers don't....that KC isn't really that good. If KC was Andrew Luck, you think they would be this far away in salary? Nah- he would have been locked up long ago. He is more likely to be Nick Foles than Drew Brees. He played well for like 7 games- that isn't earning it. Franchise the guy. He will most likely show himself to be Cassel or Foles and not a legit franchise QB by end of next season. By Franchising him we can save tons of money should he bomb- which is the likeliest scenario.

In the meantime, let RG3 go. I can't wait to see what he can do with a competent coach, non-delusuional teammates and for a fanbase that traditionally doesn't always think some one-hit wonder of a backup is always the franchise QB.

[DarthMonk]

I wonder who can currently throw a football farther or on a flatter trajectory on a 20 yard out - Kirk Cousins or Peyton Manning.

Just wondering since Kirk "hasn't shown he has the arm strength to beat the better teams."



I was thinking maybe we hadn't shown we have the defense to beat the better teams.

[riggofan]

You dogged Cousins all season and now after he finished in the top 10 you continue to dog and him and dismiss his talent. You were totally wrong about Cousins in 2015 but you continue to be dismissive?

Its a lot easier for him to dog Cousins in February. Cousins kept making look like an idiot every Sunday when they were actually playing football.

[SkinsJock]

Why would this even be a question?

= Nov. 14th ...

and these many months later - there's still no question - the Redskins will find a way to re-sign Cousins

[Countertrey]

Why would this even be a question?

= Nov. 14th ...

and these many months later - there's still no question - the Redskins will find a way to re-sign Cousins

[PulpExposure]

In the meantime, let RG3 go. I can't wait to see what he can do with a competent coach, non-delusuional teammates and for a fanbase that traditionally doesn't always think some one-hit wonder of a backup is always the franchise QB.

Wow. RG3 has shown no ability to play QB at the NFL level aside from one year in a junky gimmick offense. In fact, there's a big statistical base that says exactly what I'm saying.

And you dog Cousins? RG3 didn't even have "7 games" of average performance in his past 20 starts.

And Cousins had 10 straight games of high performance (23 TDs to 3 INTs during that stretch), by the way, but why let silly things like facts get in your way?

[Countertrey]

In the meantime, let RG3 go. I can't wait to see what he can do with a competent coach, non-delusuional teammates and for a fanbase that traditionally doesn't always think some one-hit wonder of a backup is always the franchise QB.

Wow. RG3 has shown no ability to play QB at the NFL level aside from one year in a junky gimmick offense. In fact, there's a big statistical base that says exactly what I'm saying.

And you dog Cousins? RG3 didn't even have "7 games" of average performance in his past 20 starts.

And Cousins had 10 straight games of high performance (23 TDs to 3 INTs during that stretch), by the way, but why let silly things like facts get in your way?

Facts are stupid.