markshark84 wrote:I have some friends (not on THN) that are still in the RGIII > Redskins camp. It is embarrassing for them, and honestly, I continue to hear excuses like "he still hasn't gotten a chance" or "I'm not wrong because he hasn't played this year, so we don't really know who is the better QB". At this point, they sound like bumbling fools.
I think the issue doesn't lie with those stances.. as they are honestly fair, with the exception of the last part of the last quote: Kirk is leaps and bounds above Robert at the QB position. I wouldn't blame THEM though... Because with the guise we were under this offseason- we were led to believe Robert was the best QB on the roster all through TC! Had Gruden given us an open comp, and been truthful about Roberts development- maybe the Rgiii crowd could of swallowed the change easier? Having the media and even Safeties from other teams we practiced comment about how good he has progressed, and all the reports about his improved mechanics were VERY misleading- at least they weren't telling the full story right? As a fan, that isn't in the inner circle, that's all we had to go on. Some honesty might've been better early on.
markshark84 wrote:Being "pro Robert" meant you wanted to bench/not start Kirk, right? Wouldn't benching/not playing Kirk mean you were anti-playing him? I don't think any real skins fans dislike either Robert or Kirk generally. I was called anti-RGIII (or an RGIII hater) because I wanted Kirk to start. I think the same applies the other way if you wanted RGIII to start.
I was pro BEST PLAYER at EVERY position. ALL of the early TC noise was about how Robert was improving by FINALLY having a damned QB coach and working on the RIGHT aspects of his game. THIS is where my problem LIES with Gruden... We were fed so much garbage, how could we form an accurate opinion? Did I ever this season want Kirk benched? no. I would have preferred the same patience with Robert last year- but then there is that injury clause; where within lies Roberts BIGGEST problem, in my opinion. Gruden giving his QB full reins and support, even after poor performances is what we needed. I'm glad Kirk got it.... he CLEARLY is the best option in THIS system. If Robert will find success with the same support, is yet to be determined.
markshark84 wrote:And what went down WAS shady. But not in the way you think. It was shady that Cousins wasn't given a REAL chance EARLIER. It was shady that an owner would be as involved as Danny boy was. The play calling Gruden made were for plays (1) RGIII needed work on in the first place, (2) Gruden needed to evaluate RGIII on, and (3) RGIII was in control of his play regardless of the circumstances. The QB position is one of the most powerful positions in all of sports. A QB has the ability to be in full control his offense. If Smith was playing horrible (which is why he was cut most likely), RGIII should have made blocking adjustments or adjusted the play or made any number of adjustments necessary to put himself in the best position to succeed. That is what a real QB does. RGIII also shouldn't have fumbled multiple times or moved within the pocket to avoid getting sacked 3 times --- sort of like how Cousins did on that TD pass to Garcon last weekend.
Well then... had Garcon made the catch then the first preseason game looks much better for Robert too. Did you notice how Gruden had a different set of play calling for Kirk early on, to now? To help him and our young Oline? Maybe "sabotaged" is the wrong word.. but he called plays vs a STOUT pass rush that had very little chance of succeeding. Robert maybe could've done some kind of Payton Manning out there, but that's pretty far fetched I'd say. The ugly plays happened after being ragdolled and concuss, soooo I'm not sure what kind of chance he had to be successful that night- if any at all.
markshark84 wrote:Disagree there. There were some on this board that saw the potential in Cousins, and that, with development, he could become the QB we are seeing today. The ones that were "wrong" were the people blind or disenchanted to see the tell-tale signs that Cousins had the requisite abilities to be a successful QB. Instead they used childish names (no offense) instead of relying on data or actual facts.
I think you will be hard pressed to find ANYONE on here who didn't recognize Kirks potential. He had a firm grasp of the O while out there, and has always got rid of the ball quick with stellar pocket presence. His issues were the turn over volume, and even more so the imploding after a bad play. I've always contested that if he could shake the "Shely" bug he'd have a chance to be special. Like your doubt in Robert ever learning to read a D, (which is so wildly inaccurate. Of course he has, and can read a D, has made progressions.. he is definitely an infant in this regard, but like Kirk- can get better?) I could only judge what he gave us... THEN he turned the corner- YOU LIKE THAT?! Found his mojo and the rest is history. I think all the fans that weren't convinced on opening day were RIGHT. he WAS a turn over machine.. blew games in Grossman fashion.. BUT, he grew. and has grown into a helluva qb at that! I NEVER said he couldn't or wouldn't, like the anti rgiii guys like to do- merely just commented on what he was giving us and judging his play as it was.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I've already stated I'll take my bird medium rare, but I don't in any way feel like I was wrong about anything, nor that I can't have allegiance to one and not the other... Like its impossible to support both/either or whom ever is behind center.
markshark84 wrote:As I've said, I think you have owned up to your prior beliefs to a degree, but as I said above, I think that where you were "wrong" was that you didn't see the potential in Cousins initially. You didn't have faith in Cousins' ability ---- in order for you to support Cousins, it was necessary for you to "see it" .... The ones that were right, were those that had faith he COULD do it and were confident we WOULD see it.
Only.. I DID see his potential. I also see potential in Robert... I
CAN say, while Kirk was drowning I didn't expect for him to turn it around... so you are "right". To a degree. I don't think you predicted after the Panthers beat down or one of his other poor games early on, that his last quarter of the season would be record setting? if so, great foresight!! I knew with Reed and Djax healthy and solid pass protection- any of our QBs would have a chance to play well... Kirk took it to next level status and has performed GREAT! I hope he can keep it going, but regardless of how the season ends the future is BRIGHT. Cheers to that!
) or it'll be gone from the site --- most likely the former.
ey, and Mike Jones were all praising Robert throughout OTA's and the preseason. In fact, I remember both Kiem and Jones saying that Griffin was outperforming Cousins and McCoy. Fast forward to now, and all of them are basically saying that throughout the offseason it wasn't even close, and that Cousins was miles ahead of Griffin. What I'd like to know is why the sudden change? I do not take Keim, 
