The black eye of the Dallas Cowboys

[TexasCowboy]

On the night of November 21st 1963 Clint Murchinson threw a lavished party at his Texas mansion
the guests were endless and included oil tycoon, H.L. Hunt, Richard Nixon, Lyndon B Johnson V.P.
J Edgar Hoover head of the FBI and Sid Richardson businessman and philanthropist after the party
had died down the men retired to a private room and began discussing Kennedy and what transpired
out of that meeting according to Johnson was that after tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys won't
be embarrassing me any more, that is not a threat. That's a promise

the women whom he confided that to was named Madeleine Duncan Brown she was Johnson's
mistress whom she had a child with the former V.P. soon to be President..this is further corroborated
by Johnson's own admission that he only agreed to the killing of Kennedy because he was "scared"

Never would I have said that I am embarrassed by the involvement of a man directly or indirectly
that led to the killing of a great man such as Jack Kennedy!! to not like Kennedy or his policies are
1 thing, but to sit there and listen in or even participate in the plot to kill the President is unacceptable

Murchison like all the principal participants that night need to be smeared for their shameless deed
it's the least we can for someone as great as President Kennedy

[Countertrey]

Moved to The Lounge... not really a football topic...

[TexasCowboy]

move it wherever you like but it does actually pertain to football since Murchison
was the principal owner of the Cowboys and this event took place at his mansion

[Countertrey]

WTF is the point of the snarky crap? This is about a conspiracy story that includes Murchison... it's got nothing to do with your football team...

Is this another "I will argue about anything" lunacy? It's not about football. It's moved. Get over it.

[TexasCowboy]

The point here is??? Murchison was in on the whole thing, he had knowledge and whereabouts
of the details into how Kennedy would be killed and where he would be killed, he knew who the
shooters were, where they would stationed to ensure Kennedy never made it out of Dealey plaza
alive, he also knew who would cover it up and that Oswald would be named patsy framed for 2
murders he never committed and then silenced like other key witnesses who could name, names

this is the very same Clint Murchison who in 1959 became the principal owner of the organization
now known as the Dallas Cowboys. bottom line this guy is scum, nothing more than a gangster
and murderer of the president and it has everything to do with the Cowboys, even if the team
itself didn't have anything to do with Kennedy being killed

Murchison did

[TexasCowboy]

http://nodisinfo.com/suite-8f-group-call-kennedys-hit/

[SkinsJock]

unlike some here I have NEVER been to a puke web site ... but I did vote for this

not too sure if this counts as a puke web site but I do like the idea of Manziel in a puke uniform ...

http://www.bringjohnny2dallas.com

[TexasCowboy]

unlike some here I have NEVER been to a puke web site ... but I did vote for this

not too sure if this counts as a puke web site but I do like the idea of Manziel in a puke uniform ...

http://www.bringjohnny2dallas.com

of course you would but Manziel won't be in Dallas

[DarthMonk]

The point here is???

Zackly

[TexasCowboy]

Zackly that just as it is in the other threads so to am I right about this particular incident that happened
the night before Kennedy was killed in Dealey plaza downtown Dallas?

[welch]

I have never believed in the "Kennedy conspiracy" theories because a sizable conspiracy requires too many people to coordinate and then remain silent. I think it's more likely that JFK, RFK, MLK, George Wallace, John Lennon, and Ronald Reagan were shot by isolated crazy people. Isolation protects them from being detected in advance, and isolation is a symptom of whatever illness leads them to shoot someone famous.

[TexasCowboy]

I have never believed in the "Kennedy conspiracy" theories because a sizable conspiracy requires too many people to coordinate and then remain silent. I think it's more likely that JFK, RFK, MLK, George Wallace, John Lennon, and Ronald Reagan were shot by isolated crazy people. Isolation protects them from being detected in advance, and isolation is a symptom of whatever illness leads them to shoot someone famous.

And the deception begins

The greatest lie ever told is? a lone nut did it!! Oswald was able to fire off 3 shots in under 60 seconds including
a fatal head shot with an old Italian bolt action Carcino rifle..that included a magic bullet theory which the Warren
commision said traveled from the body of Kennedy into Connelly and back into Kennedy

well the story you heard is fabricated it just isn't true..Eyewitness accounts that day attested to the fact they heard
gunfire (multiple) and seen smoke from the grassy knoll, others seen men running toward the train yard after Kennedy
had been hit by more than 1 bullet, and yet we are to believe that several eyewitnesses to Oswald's location cafeteria
sipping on a coke when all the madness is going on are lying? Oswald was capable of running back to the perch, fire the shots and then be
back in the cafeteria without breaking a sweat or being out of breath? can't happen/won't happen so what about the so
called report that Oswald killed officer JD Tippit? Oswald was seen by his landlady at exactly 1 pm central inside his
room Tippit by that time was already dead Oswald's only crime was not paying for the ticket because he was inside
meeting with his handler but police, secret service and FBI had his exact location charge in and arrest him for the
crime of capital murder on a police officer (not killing Kennedy) that came after

But if you look at the footage of his arrest Oswald is wanting a lawyer and insists he did nothing wrong!! yet Oswald
was never given legal representation..he was being unlawfully detained by police, because they wanted to pin it all
on Oswald then have him killed by his best friend (yes) best friend Jack Ruby and that would end all the hoopla on
who did it Oswald the patsy

Well I can tell you from the documentation I have read and the books on the subject matter Oswald was certainly
not capable of such a crime...and no "lone nut" ever pulls off this type of crime without others pulling the strings
to make it happen, so you can believe what you like but what you believe is false and has been debunked with
evidence that gives us a more clear picture to that day and it's events

[Deadskins]

I have never believed in the "Kennedy conspiracy" theories because a sizable conspiracy requires too many people to coordinate and then remain silent.

Not at all. The conspirators are like-minded people. There is no reason not to remain silent.

[Countertrey]

I have never believed in the "Kennedy conspiracy" theories because a sizable conspiracy requires too many people to coordinate and then remain silent.

Not at all. The conspirators are like-minded people. There is no reason not to remain silent.

Oh, bull... criminal conspiracies are always the creation of like-minded people... yet, somehow, there is almost always one who ends up spilling his guts... the larger the conspiracy, the more likely that there will be one or more likely, many, of those people. Criminal conspiracies almost always collapse of their own weight... ideologically motivated conspiracies are the most vulnerable of all... because eventually, someone always becomes either disillusioned... or so burdened with guilt that they crack.

[Deadskins]

I have never believed in the "Kennedy conspiracy" theories because a sizable conspiracy requires too many people to coordinate and then remain silent.

Not at all. The conspirators are like-minded people. There is no reason not to remain silent.

Oh, bull... criminal conspiracies are always the creation of like-minded people... yet, somehow, there is almost always one who ends up spilling his guts... the larger the conspiracy, the more likely that there will be one or more likely, many, of those people. Criminal conspiracies almost always collapse of their own weight... ideologically motivated conspiracies are the most vulnerable of all... because eventually, someone always becomes either disillusioned... or so burdened with guilt that they crack.

I don't buy that at all. Of the millions of conspiracies that happen every year, probably less than 1% ever get uncovered due to a conspirator cracking. More likely that someone cracks only to save his own hide from prosecution than from disillusionment or guilt. And when conspiracies reach the level of the Kennedy assassination or 911, then cracking would seal not only your own fate (and historical legacy), but that of your family as well. And at the same time, the other conspirators would close ranks, and your testimonial wouldn't be given any credence, anyway. So again, there is no reason not to remain silent.

[Countertrey]

Not at all. The conspirators are like-minded people. There is no reason not to remain silent.

Oh, bull... criminal conspiracies are always the creation of like-minded people... yet, somehow, there is almost always one who ends up spilling his guts... the larger the conspiracy, the more likely that there will be one or more likely, many, of those people. Criminal conspiracies almost always collapse of their own weight... ideologically motivated conspiracies are the most vulnerable of all... because eventually, someone always becomes either disillusioned... or so burdened with guilt that they crack.

I don't buy that at all. Of the millions of conspiracies that happen every year, probably less than 1% ever get uncovered due to a conspirator cracking. More likely that someone cracks only to save his own hide from prosecution than from disillusionment or guilt. And when conspiracies reach the level of the Kennedy assassination or 911, then cracking would seal not only your own fate (and historical legacy), but that of your family as well. And at the same time, the other conspirators would close ranks, and your testimonial wouldn't be given any credence, anyway. So again, there is no reason not to remain silent.

Well, of course you won't buy that... even the hint of buying it brings your conspiracy modeling crashing to the ground. Your entire belief system requires a totally cynical view of the world, and the suggestion that an honest broker must ultimately appear within any growing conspiracy cannot be acknowledged.

Case in point... Obama administration reinforces the legitimacy, veracity, and integrity of the Afghan police forces... directs that suggestions of institutional pedophilia must be suppressed. Some go along. Then, Special Forces CPT Dan Quinn and SFC Charles Martland happen. Moral courage actually exists. In most of the military, it's actually encouraged... many believe in it. If you don't believe that, then what is it, do you think, that has made our military permanently accept it's subordinate role to civilian rule? Other democracies have repeatedly dealt with military coups... yet, this country has never (the civil war was not a coup, but a legislative attempt at secession...)
You won't acknowledge it, of course, but it's simple math. The larger the conspiracy, the greater number of people become involved... and the number of people who "vet" the new players also expands... some take short cuts in vetting, some don't care. People talk. Reporters with courage find out. Conspiracies unravel.

of course, there's always "chemtrails"... LOL

[Deadskins]

Yes, because no Oliver North would ever fall on his sword to protect those civilian rulers.

[Countertrey]

Yes, because no Oliver North would ever fall on his sword to protect those civilian rulers.

And, yet, the conspiracy came out...

[Deadskins]

Yes, because no Oliver North would ever fall on his sword to protect those civilian rulers.

And, yet, the conspiracy came out...

Not really.
I suppose Eisenhower was a complete nut job because he warned about the Military Industrial Complex.

[Countertrey]

Yes, because no Oliver North would ever fall on his sword to protect those civilian rulers.

And, yet, the conspiracy came out...

Not really.
I suppose Eisenhower was a complete nut job because he warned about the Military Industrial Complex.

There is a difference between a conspiracy, which by it's nature requires complete secrecy, and a tacitly acknowledged corruption, which is perpetuated because of fear of what will happen if it isn't... of course, you can't really find a good example, because they are secret, right?

You know, Occam's Razor applies...

[Deadskins]

You know, Occam's Razor applies...

Of course. So when buildings fall at freefall speed, then there is no other conclusion that one can reach, other than there must have been more conspirators than those that took the blame. And when Jack Ruby killed Oswald, effectively silencing him, then one might look for a simpler explanation than that given. But hey, you can always believe the public narrative, no matter how twisted the logic, or the impossibility of the science, because the truth is harder to swallow.

[Countertrey]

You know, Occam's Razor applies...

Of course. So when buildings fall at freefall speed, then there is no other conclusion that one can reach, other than there must have been more conspirators than those that took the blame. And when Jack Ruby killed Oswald, effectively silencing him, then one might look for a simpler explanation than that given. But hey, you can always believe the public narrative, no matter how twisted the logic, or the impossibility of the science, because the truth is harder to swallow.

Ignorance of engineering and physics is all that's required to reach your conclusion... you can't see it, so... MAGIC!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

You know, Occam's Razor applies...

Of course. So when buildings fall at freefall speed, then there is no other conclusion that one can reach, other than there must have been more conspirators than those that took the blame. And when Jack Ruby killed Oswald, effectively silencing him, then one might look for a simpler explanation than that given. But hey, you can always believe the public narrative, no matter how twisted the logic, or the impossibility of the science, because the truth is harder to swallow.

Ignorance of engineering and physics is all that's required to reach your conclusion... you can't see it, so... MAGIC!

I've already explained the WTC collapse as detailed by a structural engineer familiar with the construction of the towers. All of the structural support was on the outside of the towers. The center of each tower was the elevator shafts, i.e. air space. The most likely point of collapse is at the weakest point. Ask any stress engineer. The weakest point is airspace. Therefore, the towers would have most likely collapsed inward, which is exactly what occurred.

No conspiracy theories necessary.

[Deadskins]

Ignorance of engineering and physics is all that's required to reach your conclusion... you can't see it, so... MAGIC!

That's laughable. I'd put my knowledge of physics up against anyone's on this board. I'd love to hear your theory on how the exit wound sprayed Kennedy's brain and skull all over the trunk of the car, when he was shot from the rear.

[Deadskins]

I've already explained the WTC collapse as detailed by a structural engineer familiar with the construction of the towers. All of the structural support was on the outside of the towers. The center of each tower was the elevator shafts, i.e. air space. The most likely point of collapse is at the weakest point.

You obviously don't understand what freefall speed means. Of course a structure will collapse at it weakest point, but that that doesn't mean there will be no resistance as it collapses. The pancaking floors explanation flies in the face of the laws of physics. To correct CT's statement, ignorance of engineering and physics is all that's required to accept the public narrative of the buildings collapsing at freefall speed.