Anyone convinced that Ramsey is not our future

HOTDOGHOG · Post by **HOTDOGHOG** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:43 am

Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Ramsey will not be the future of this team. Im a diehard redskin fan like everyone else but I believe everyone was wearing burgundy tinted glasses when laying the keys to the teams future at Ramseys feet. After watching Brunell its alot easier to put things into perspective and see how relatively slow ramseys release and defense recognition times are, its not even close. Id bet the house we take a QB in next yers draft, unless Gibbs lures another QB from elsewhere because he never really had any young QBs.

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:52 am

Im not sure about this whole quarterback thing, Its making me crazy

Dont get me wrong I like P-Ram but I do honestly think that Brunell has a leg up on being our starter this season.. I dont want to think too far past that. HTTR

HOTDOGHOG · Post by **HOTDOGHOG** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:12 am

YA THINK??? is it even close????? Brunell was not brought here by Gibbs to do anything but play QB.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:28 am

It funny that we have more protection now and he has happy feet. :cry:

I hope he gets his act together. His three and outs are pissing me off, right about now.

screwgun · Post by **screwgun** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:21 am

I hear you redskincity! It would be nice to see some first downs from Ramsey. I really like the kid ,but lets face it ,he needs to get his stuff together. I wonder if he will or is this all that there is ??

johnjack · Post by **johnjack** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:25 am

I think it's WAAAAAAAAAAAY too early to begin talking about Ramsey not being here. That is very premature. I think we all need to realize that the kid took a pounding last year, and that would make anyone "gun shy". Clearly he is indecisive thus far, but working as backup, and under this staff's tutelage, he will correct all of those bizarre things that Spurrier emphasized with him the last two years.

Just hold your horses and wait and see. Ramsey I believe still has quite a future with this franchise. Remember, during those Super Bowl years Stan Humphries and Mark Rypien were understudies before getting their shots. Humphries, if memory serves me correctly appeared in a Super Bowl with the Chargers later on. Just give the staff time to work with Ramsey.

GibbSkins · Post by **GibbSkins** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:32 am

hey all u cant throw the baby out with the bathwater...gibbs has said he really likes ramsey..i take that to mean ..gibbs really likes ramsey..yes he has alot to learn..he was a pocket qb in college then with spurrier he was sacket alot because he didnt know how to scrable..now he apears to be having a line that offeres some protection and hes got to get reaquanted with that...i think brunell will start the season.. but i still see ramsey getting his shot to produce. once he gets ust to haveing a capable line and a real coaching staff, then the game will start to slow down for him and he will put up some decent numbers..

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:58 am

johnjack wrote:I think it's WAAAAAAAAAAAY too early to begin talking about Ramsey not being here. That is very premature. I think we all need to realize that the kid took a pounding last year, and that would make anyone "gun shy". Clearly he is indecisive thus far, but working as backup, and under this staff's tutelage, he will correct all of those bizarre things that Spurrier emphasized with him the last two years.

Just hold your horses and wait and see. Ramsey I believe still has quite a future with this franchise. Remember, during those Super Bowl years Stan Humphries and Mark Rypien were understudies before getting their shots. Humphries, if memory serves me correctly appeared in a Super Bowl with the Chargers later on. Just give the staff time to work with Ramsey.

It is early, but he looks worst than he did when he played under SOS

Its almost like the movie, "Ground hog Day". The same stuff week after week. He did inprove, I think.

Is it me or is Ramsey still tring to find the deepest receiver? I dont think he has dumped off once. I could be mistaken though.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:03 am

Three Preseason games in a new system and you're ready to throw him in ths scrap heap? It certainly looks like he won't be the starter this year but to say that he won't be our future is extremely premature.

Chad

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:17 am

Cut Ramsey some slack.

You want to see some bad QB play? Check Joe Theisman's first pre-season and first 5 regular season games under Gibbs.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:20 am

To tell you truth, Ramsey did look much more comfortable last night. I would have like to seen him start last night surrounded by the starters.

He did hit TJ with a nice one.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:43 am

redskincity wrote:To tell you truth, Ramsey did look much more comfortable last night. I would have like to seen him start last night surrounded by the starters.

He did hit TJ with a nice one.

Agreed last night was the 1st time in YEARS that he wasn't sacked includung the previous 2 pre-season games that should give him some confidents know he came go though a game without getting beat up (mentally he may have been waiting for it to happen)... he still has some bad habits to break, it took him 2 years to learn them and breaking them will take more than a few games. being Coached by Gibbs and watching Mark will help speed that process along. I think Brunell will be the starter but I don't think Patrick is going anywhere anytime soon My 2 cents

HogInBlacksburg · Post by **HogInBlacksburg** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:07 am

redskincity wrote:To tell you truth, Ramsey did look much more comfortable last night. I would have like to seen him start last night surrounded by the starters.

He did hit TJ with a nice one.

If the current pattern holds true, we should see PRam play the first half against the Rams friday night, hopefully. I think he is progressing just fine. His comfort level in the pocket will come, if he keeps getting the protection he got last night. My 2 cents

Montana Redskin · Post by **Montana Redskin** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:12 am

redskincity wrote:
johnjack wrote:I think it's WAAAAAAAAAAAY too early to begin talking about Ramsey not being here. That is very premature. I think we all need to realize that the kid took a pounding last year, and that would make anyone "gun shy". Clearly he is indecisive thus far, but working as backup, and under this staff's tutelage, he will correct all of those bizarre things that Spurrier emphasized with him the last two years.

Just hold your horses and wait and see. Ramsey I believe still has quite a future with this franchise. Remember, during those Super Bowl years Stan Humphries and Mark Rypien were understudies before getting their shots. Humphries, if memory serves me correctly appeared in a Super Bowl with the Chargers later on. Just give the staff time to work with Ramsey.

It is early, but he looks worst than he did when he played under SOS

Its almost like the movie, "Ground hog Day". The same stuff week after week. He did inprove, I think.

Is it me or is Ramsey still tring to find the deepest receiver? I dont think he has dumped off once. I could be mistaken though.

I'm on Redskincity's wagon....I'm getting a bit tired of the same old thing with Ramsey, same issues? happy feet, long balls, int's....I mean, I'd love to see him succeed, but I'm a bit worried. I feel a bit for him, though, because personally, I think he's putting a lot of undo pressure upon himself after being starter last year etc...He should just say "f_ it" and just chill on the bench and learn Gibbs system.. We don't have time for 3 and outs all season because he's missing easy throws. He's just trying to rush things too much, a nervous wreck. Probably should load up on some sedatives before the game or something.

Montana Redskin · Post by **Montana Redskin** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:18 am

HogInBlacksburg wrote:
redskincity wrote:To tell you truth, Ramsey did look much more comfortable last night. I would have like to seen him start last night surrounded by the starters.

He did hit TJ with a nice one.

If the current pattern holds true, we should see PRam play the first half against the Rams friday night, hopefully. I think he is progressing just fine. His comfort level in the pocket will come, if he keeps getting the protection he got last night.

If PRam starts against the Rams, we're down 14-0 in front of natl audience. He's going to be a wreck trying to show the nation he stills the starter. Start Brunell. Let PRam have the last part of the 1/2 and 3rd. I want to beat the 1st teamers handily, not the 3rd teamers. I'm not dogging Ramsey at all, just worried because he's still making the same old 3 and outs and missing throws that need to be made...Not that Brunells the 2nd coming of the 4 greatest QB's of all time (Theismann, Jurgensen, Kilmer and Rypien).

schmev · Post by **schmev** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:42 am

Way too early to tell. I'm not saying Ramsey is Favre, but the Falcons sure did give up on Favre too quickly.

Falcons basically thought of Favre as a dumbass. Kind of the same criticism Ramsey is getting right now. Ramsey is a double major and very sharp. He has one hell of an arm. I believe him to be our future and that future is very bright.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:44 am

Let's just agree that Ramsey will be starting at #2 this year. Does that mean we should scrap him? Absolutely not! I expect he will learn a lot this year watching Brunell and that will help him in the long run. Ramsey will improve, there is no doubt about it. When he does improve, I look forward to Ramsey being this team's #1 QB in the future.

...it's just not going to be in the "near" future.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:00 pm

There has never been a moment since Brunell was brought here that I didn't think he was going to be our starter. Ramsey need some work, he took a lot of heat last year both mentally and physically. From what I saw at camp he seems to be moving better this year, but mentally he seems to jumpy in the pocket. He just doesn't look comfortable? That being said I think it's to early to judge, however with his contract do up next year the Skins may be forced to make a quick judgment. I'm sure they'll be many interested teams.

daddywatson · Post by **daddywatson** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:04 pm

What's the matter with some you out there??!! The team is 3 preseason games into a comepletely new season, under a new coach with a comepletely new game plan!!! And from what I've read in this thread from alot of you, is that our incumbent QB isn't even good enough to play for this team anymore... At all.... Just cut him!!!!! Get real!!!! He probably will not be the starter this year. He, most likely will back up Brunell. But just get rid of him like I've read from some of you. Talk about jumping ship at the first sign of adversity!!!! :explode:

floridaskinsfan · Post by **floridaskinsfan** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:12 pm

Ramsey needs to "unlearn" Spurrier's style. He has happy feet because he is still thinking he is going to get hit. It will take time but Ramsey will be fine. He is not ready to be the starter this year. As long as he will be ready after 2-3 games in case Brunell goes down.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:18 pm

Just hold your horses and wait and see. Ramsey I believe still has quite a future with this franchise. Remember, during those Super Bowl years Stan Humphries and Mark Rypien were understudies before getting their shots. Humphries, if memory serves me correctly appeared in a Super Bowl with the Chargers later on. Just give the staff time to work with Ramsey.

Exactly right.

In fact, if you have the tape from SB 22 (Denver...Doug W., 5 TD's in the 2nd quarter...) you will see Mark Rypien in a white Redskins sweater holding the clipboard for Joe Gibbs, standing just beside him on every play.

That offseason, Bobby B traded Schroeder for Jim Lachey, and Rpyien wound up starting most of the year...I think Willimas had appendicitis just before the season.

Humphries had a mysterious injury the next year, his rookie season, and stood with Gibbs studying.

Unfortunately, Humphries did not learn Rypien's dedication, and Gibbs used Jeff Rutledge, weak-armed Alabama Jeff, as the cleanup man during the SB 26 season.

Specific issue with Humphries and Gibbs, as best I recall, was that Gibbs had told Humphries: you're number one, now study and prepare for next season. Humphries ignored the playbook, arrived at camp about 20 pounds overweight, and spent camp chasing after groupies.

Rypien worked out, studied hard, and led the Redskins to the SB win.

*

Humphries had talent, so Bobby B traded to get him to San Diego. Humphries later said, well, yes, I kind of wish I had behaved the way Coach Gibbs asked.

*

One conclusion: Ramsey still has control of his own future. If he responds, if he studies, if he is patient, if he shows Mark Rypien's toughness, he can be a starter eventually.

It might not be this September, but if he shows progress, if he shows Gibbs he can be trusted, he will have his chance.

*

I hope that Boss is correct: that the complaining was entirely from Ramsey's agent.

box8276 · Post by **box8276** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:37 pm

IMO i think hasselback will turn out far better than P-ram ever will.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:20 pm

welch wrote:Rypien worked out, studied hard, and led the Redskins to the SB win.

*

Humphries had talent, so Bobby B traded to get him to San Diego. Humphries later said, well, yes, I kind of wish I had behaved the way Coach Gibbs asked.

*

One conclusion: Ramsey still has control of his own future. If he responds, if he studies, if he is patient, if he shows Mark Rypien's toughness, he can be a starter eventually.

It might not be this September, but if he shows progress, if he shows Gibbs he can be trusted, he will have his chance.

I totally agree, Welch. Ramsey is obviously still a little shaken from last year's pounding (who wouldn't be?) He's got a lot of class, and as I recall from previous years one thing people said about him was that he's a hard worker. Most people would agree that he has the talent, toughness, and arm to make it in the NFL; and if he works hard then I'm inclined to believe that Gibbs help him develop the mind, patience, and leadership that he needs to take us far.

He's a bright guy (didn't he do very well at Tulane?), and here's hoping that he's already got this figured out and is in it for the long haul.

skins75 · Post by **skins75** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:42 pm

He has only started ONE preseason game...lets not get ahead of ourselves here. He looks a little to jumpy in the pocket but he threw some nice balls last night. I was a little surprised to see him come in on the last possession of the 1st half. No biggy just curious why Joe didnt just let Mark finish the half. I am saying the same things some of you already have said but the kid took a hell of a pounding last year. He has a rocket arm and is smart as hell. He will be fine.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:00 pm

I still say money is going to help decide this. Ramsey is up for a contract next year. Will he want starter money. You have to believe Brunell will be back and want to start. Do you tag a #2 QB?? Will Ramsey want a shot at starting somewhere else...If Ramsey doesn't pan out this year, I can the Skins saying we're going to give him a chance to test the market.