Skins at Panthers postgame thread

[oj]

Officials make bad calls, it is the head coach's responsibility to make them aware a bad call had been made. The call in question was worse than 'bad' any coach should have been on the field screaming for blood over that call. Gruden roilled with the punch and the guys saw it, he let them down. He didn't defend his player. The guys saw that.
What happened to Alf?

[SkinsJock]

we're most likely not winning that game but there's not a prayer of winning a game against any team in the NFL if we want to execute that badly - we did not get beaten by the Panthers, we lost because we played horribly - nobody wins games when they play like that

if we play at that level for the rest of this season, we will finish at 4 wins

let me make this point again - we have to run the ball - if we let teams take away our run game and try to play offense with a QB that does not like the passing game and has a propensity to turn the ball over, we are losing that game

I loved a lot of Kirk's passes but that is not his game - we are losing every game where we depend on a QB that does not like to throw the ball

[StorminMormon86]

Good teams overcome the bad calls and go out there and make plays. Unfortunately, we're not there...yet.

[SkinsJock]

^^ what he said - totally agree - it was a horrible call and it seemed to have a bad effect ... but, we played horribly

we're not winning any games, even with bad calls 'helping' us if we cannot execute in all phases - this was a terrible effort from top to bottom

[welch]

It looked to me like Culliver's forearm hit Olsen under the chin. I've never seen that called a penalty except when done to a QB. We had no sound where we were watching, so I'm going on what I saw and on the replay. It looked like Olsen was woozy after the play. I can imagine Carolina saying, "Hey, look at the result!" However, Culliver's play looked legal.

However, the Redskin defense rarely got pressure on Newton. It looked like the 1991 Falcons trying to get through the Hogs II...the game in which one of the Redskin OL said, "Please stop that blitz. You haven't come close to Rypien. Let's just finish the game". Rypien asked to be taken out in the third period because the Skins had about a 40 point lead. Redskins wanted to beat Atlanta but didn't need to humiliate them.

The 2015 defense? Ugh-ly.

[Countertrey]

Wasn't the hit to the head his forearm?? And Olsen lowered his head into it!

Epic blown call 14 point swing one thing, but it visibly deflated our team and the momentum shift was so drastic we barely made it through the gamd

Both his hands went into Olsen's chest, under the helmet. It was clean. There are a lot of good still images floating around.

Correct. That was a clean FOOTBALL play all the way. I don't believe there was any helmet to helmet, and NO blow to the head or neck. I suspect Olsen's "injury" was one of those soccer type injuries... all theatre. OTOH, the Ram's QB was permitted to continue playing after a serious head strike and wobbling for a while before being able to stand... I don't believe the league has any desire to get this right.

Has any fine been announced for Culliver's hit, yet? Will the league do the right thing? I have no faith.

I miss Paul Tagliabu

[Snout]

I am surprised nobody is talking about our 14 yard rushing performance. Perhaps it was unrealistic to expect 100+ yards rushing against a good team. But we should be able to rush for at least 50 yards in every game. The team is asking too much of Cousins. We need to upgrade the running game.

[SkinsJock]

was I the only one that noticed that both the guy checking Olsen on the sideline and Olsen himself were laughing after the hit

[Irn-Bru]

I generally never complain about officiating, but does anyone remember the helmet-to-helmet on Reed during our first possession that wasn't called? I think the reason it wasn't called was because he didn't go down on the hit, but who cares; that isn't a requirement. That is what made me more upset about the Culliver H2H hit (which was H2H, but not even as bad as the no call on Reed).

I noticed it and also remembered it when they made the Culliver call. It's the inconsistency that's maddening more than the rule or even its interpretation.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I am surprised nobody is talking about our 14 yard rushing performance. Perhaps it was unrealistic to expect 100+ yards rushing against a good team. But we should be able to rush for at least 50 yards in every game. The team is asking too much of Cousins. We need to upgrade the running game.

I've been talking about it but it keeps getting buried underneath all the other problems. I don't care how bad the blocking was, that's inexcusable.

Here's a nice link to what usually happens when a team rushes for under 15 yards:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... =game_date

[SkinsJock]

the game plan was to try passing the ball more - we only ran the ball 15 times - nobody gets any yards when they only call 15 run plays

Gruden and McVay are showcasing their great passing QB ....

TOTALLY embarrassing performance on so many levels by so many people

[StorminMormon86]

the game plan was to try passing the ball more - we only ran the ball 15 times - nobody gets any yards when they only call 15 run plays

Gruden and McVay are showcasing their great passing QB ....

TOTALLY embarrassing performance on so many levels by so many people

They aren't "showcasing" anything...

You can thank Jones and the defense for the reasons why they stopped running the football.

[oj]

They exploited Moses. I don't know if it is his footwork or what but he needs coaching, he has talent but when ever Cousins gets hit Moses is standing up all alone with a WTF look about him. he can't run block, there has never been a hole on the right side, defensive coordinators have seen this and can shift an LB to the left to stock the run on our stronger side.

[riggofan]

the game plan was to try passing the ball more - we only ran the ball 15 times - nobody gets any yards when they only call 15 run plays

Gruden and McVay are showcasing their great passing QB ....

TOTALLY embarrassing performance on so many levels by so many people

This is such complete BS, man. I'm kind of embarrassed for you that you wrote it.

There's two pretty obviously reason why we only ran 15 run plays. 1) We turned the ball over multiple times early, so we didn't have the ball to run it OR pass it. Time of possession was 38 minutes to 21 minutes. We only passed the ball 30 times. Not exactly slinging it around all day.

2) We got behind 14 then 21+ points. You lose the luxury to continue running the ball and going three and out at that point.

I assume you watch enough football to recognize this stuff happens in games. Want to go take a look at the Saints box score and tell me how many times the Saints ran the ball that game? I'll save you some leg work. 16 times. Was it because they couldn't run the ball that game or they wanted to showcase their great passing game?

I get that you're upset about the loss. But you're just throwing crap against the wall here to see what sticks.

[riggofan]

They exploited Moses. I don't know if it is his footwork or what but he needs coaching, he has talent but when ever Cousins gets hit Moses is standing up all alone with a WTF look about him. he can't run block, there has never been a hole on the right side, defensive coordinators have seen this and can shift an LB to the left to stock the run on our stronger side.

Maybe. But I read or heard that the sack he allowed for the fumble was actually on LeRibeus. LeRib called the wrong snap count or something, so Moses doesn't get up in time and guy blows by him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... -leribeus/

LeRibeus created another Vine-worthy moment during the 44-16 blowout loss to the Carolina Panthers on Sunday. The team was down 30 points with 13 minutes 30 seconds left in the game when LeRibeus forgot the snap count and unexpectedly hiked the ball.

Most of his teammates had a delayed reaction before they jumped off the line of scrimmage. Three Panthers defenders gobbled up quarterback Kirk Cousins in one of five sacks allowed by the offensive line. Left tackle Trent Williams threw his hands up in confusion after the play.

Not a great day for anyone on the o-line. My point though is as fans we're not always pointing the finger at the right guy.

[SkinsJock]

Kirk Cousins is not going to be effective when we have to pass because the defense is taking away the run game - we're most likely not winning any game playing that way so we should keep at it in order for him to be able to throw the ball - if we're only getting 45 plays in the game we need to have at least 20 of them be running plays is all I'm saying - we should not have Kirk Cousins throwing for over 66% of the game UNLESS he has clearly established that we can run the ball effectively - he's not at all confident throwing the ball under pressure even though he has shown that he can get rid of the ball very quickly

this off season, if Kirk is still here and I hope he is, he needs to really work on his confidence in the passing game - he does not have any

[SkinsJock]

when we get down early and are good enough to throw the ball is one thing but when this offense gets down early and cannot run the ball is when you have to have patience and help out a QB that is almost hopeless throwing under pressure - we have to continue with the run game or we will have little to no chance with the passing game - we are most likely losing the game anyway but we are certainly losing it if we do not help Kirk by running the ball when everyone thinks we're going to pass - Kirk Cousins is not able to have much effect when he's playing under pressure

[DarthMonk]

Officials make bad calls, it is the head coach's responsibility to make them aware a bad call had been made. The call in question was worse than 'bad' any coach should have been on the field screaming for blood over that call. Gruden roilled with the punch and the guys saw it, he let them down. He didn't defend his player. The guys saw that.

[SkinsJock]

it was a bad call - it happens - coaches have different ways of handling things like this - Gruden is not a screaming type and neither are some of the better coaches in the NFL

I'm not a Jay Gruden fan but I think he has the full support of his staff and his players ... except, maybe, you know who

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Officials make bad calls, it is the head coach's responsibility to make them aware a bad call had been made. The call in question was worse than 'bad' any coach should have been on the field screaming for blood over that call. Gruden roilled with the punch and the guys saw it, he let them down. He didn't defend his player. The guys saw that.

Nothing is accomplished by being the person you don't want your players to be. The call isn't getting reversed. It's not reviewable. It can't be challenged. Being the idiot who can't control his emotions and gets fined or tossed from the game doesn't fire a team up. In fact, it would be hard to think of a case of an NFL coach getting tossed and his team rallying around it to come from behind. If they exist at all there haven't been many of them.

[riggofan]

Anyone who has coached any sport at any level will tell you its always very effective to yell and scream at the officials. Usually has a huge impact on the game and really gets things turned in your direction. Also your players really expect it from you.

[Deadskins]

Officials make bad calls, it is the head coach's responsibility to make them aware a bad call had been made. The call in question was worse than 'bad' any coach should have been on the field screaming for blood over that call. Gruden roilled with the punch and the guys saw it, he let them down. He didn't defend his player. The guys saw that.

Nothing is accomplished by being the person you don't want your players to be. The call isn't getting reversed. It's not reviewable. It can't be challenged. Being the idiot who can't control his emotions and gets fined or tossed from the game doesn't fire a team up. In fact, it would be hard to think of a case of an NFL coach getting tossed and his team rallying around it to come from behind. If they exist at all there haven't been many of them.

Yeah, but you can still let the officials know they messed up a call, especially if they don't apply the rules correctly. Many times they will give you a make-up call (not that you can make up for a 14-point swing like that.) But I agree, that you have do it respectfully, and it can have the opposite effect from what you want if you make an ass of yourself.

[PulpExposure]

Anyone who has coached any sport at any level will tell you its always very effective to yell and scream at the officials. Usually has a huge impact on the game and really gets things turned in your direction. Also your players really expect it from you.

It's very professional to throw temper tantrums on the sideline.

[DEHog]

Cam mic'd up..interesting he knew he could get us on a hard count with that crazy candence of his.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/inside-the-nfl-miced-up-cam-newton-including-his-adorable-interactions-with-kids