welch wrote:No opinion, partly because I do not understand NFL contract rules and cap rules. I've finally figured out MLB, and have a good idea of how free agency actually works...qualifying offer, team control, typical budget...but the NFL is baffling.
However: it is strange to see Cousins go from "garbage player" to "must have" over three or four games.
Cap shouldn't be an issue. We're done getting screwed by the league for the "capped uncapped season" thing and I'm positive the team had already set aside $16 million in cap space for RGIII. When he is cut, and he will be, the team will have at least $25 million in cap space before any other roster moves are made. I'd guess Knighton's $4 million will come off the books. They could gain another $3 million by allowing Morris and Young to walk. Those moves would give the team around $32 million in cap space based on the 2015 cap figure, before the cap goes up with the 2016 numbers. Cap space and contract numbers won't be an issue here.
In response to your second phrase, we've been thirsty for a quarterback for a long time. Anyone who looks like they aren't complete garbage gets people excited. Average looks pretty good from our cheap seats.
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OldSchool wrote: I agree with everything stated here and I also feel overpaying Cousins by 20, 30 or even 40% would be far less costly than losing him.
The biggest mistake you can make in the NFL nowadays is overpaying for talent. It can cripple your team salary cap for years, especially when you're talking QB money.
Good teams don't pay a 40% premium for a player. 40% on a QB contract could turn a 15 million a year contact into a 20+ a year. You know, Aaron Rodgers money.
That being said, good teams also don't throw multiple high draft picks away to move up for a player, either.
tribeofjudah wrote:When Kirk signs his NEW contract, I will be the FIRST to ask him, "YOU LIKE THAT!! YOU LIKE THAT !!!"
+1 I kind of felt like that today when he threw that interception
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
welch wrote:No opinion, partly because I do not understand NFL contract rules and cap rules. I've finally figured out MLB, and have a good idea of how free agency actually works...qualifying offer, team control, typical budget...but the NFL is baffling. However, it is strange to see Cousins go from "garbage player" to "must have" over three or four games
I agree welch - Kirk Cousins is a very good back-up QB that the Redskins should re-sign so that we have a capable QB that can bridge the gap until we get a real starting QB - Cousins is and always has been a good back-up QB in the NFL - he only seems more important to his family and some fans here who can't tell the difference
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
welch wrote:No opinion, partly because I do not understand NFL contract rules and cap rules. I've finally figured out MLB, and have a good idea of how free agency actually works...qualifying offer, team control, typical budget...but the NFL is baffling.
However: it is strange to see Cousins go from "garbage player" to "must have" over three or four games.
From godsend worth 20 million a year + 40% back to garbage Captain Pick aka Kirk Cousins.... THAT quick!
Wow, what a difference playing a good team makes...
...and how much can change in one week.
Bet Kirks agent is a little more open to negotiate this week! Lmmfao!
Being a Skins fan is more often then not, hard as *f$ck*.
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Yes we should resign Cousins. To a backup QB contract. He is not a real starter. Ok...he beats the worst team in the league last year. he beats the worst defense in the league this year. So what. He can't even beat the Jets.
Say what you want about RG3, but when we needed him to deliver wins in 2012, he did and with a much more inferior team. Where is Captain Pick? He cannot deliver wins and plays against the better teams. End of story.
Fire Gruden. The guy is overmatched. Hes ruined RG3. He took Garcon last year and nearly destroyed him. Hes trying to ruin Alfred Morris and He's ruining Kerrigan. Build around our Pro Bowl players not destroy them. This dud should not be in the NFL.
Look Gruden is going to be fired. Rg3 is not out of the picture. Gruden led teams are an embarrassment and his record is horrible. Cousins has four years of exactly the same thing: Inconsistent play and tons of picks and turnovers.
let me be clear here before the Cousins faithful come down and scream that there are a bunch of anti Cousins fans here - I want Kirk Cousins playing QB here - he's our best option for now, but, he's just a good back-up QB - we should give him a good contract but if his agent thinks that Kirk Cousins deserves a lot of money ... all the best Kirk - we'd love to keep him but nobody here, that knows anything about NFL QBs is paying him a lot of money - NO WAY, Hosea
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:let me be clear here before the Cousins faithful come down and scream that there are a bunch of anti Cousins fans here - I want Kirk Cousins playing QB here - he's our best option for now, but, he's just a good back-up QB - we should give him a good contract but if his agent thinks that Kirk Cousins deserves a lot of money ... all the best Kirk - we'd love to keep him but nobody here, that knows anything about NFL QBs is paying him a lot of money - NO WAY, Hosea
So, the question, then, is just whom the hell do you play at quarterback? If you look at talent that is likely to be available, whom will be better??? Nope... you either pay him (and, his price just went down, a bit, IMO) or you roll with Bob. Now, of course, miracles have happened, but as talented as he is, I just don't see him as a valid option... he's not a quarterback yet, and we don't have the luxury to make him into one.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Why do people here assume that Cousins would want to re-sign with the Redskins? Would you? There are a lot of problems in this organization. And not so much love and support from the fans. This is not a place that takes a long term view of things. If I was Kirk Cousins, I think there would be much better opportunities on other teams.
Is it feasible to work out a sign and trade deal? I would like to get some value for Kirk if he decides he wants to go. And yes, he is worth a lot more to other teams than he is to most Redskins fans.
hitmandm wrote:Fire Gruden. The guy is overmatched. Hes ruined RG3. He took Garcon last year and nearly destroyed him. Hes trying to ruin Alfred Morris and He's ruining Kerrigan. Build around our Pro Bowl players not destroy them. This dud should not be in the NFL.
Quoted for truth! Gruden needs to be fired. I want it to happen about 6 hours ago on the half-hour flight home! He has destroyed at least two quarterbacks, and Alfred Morris and the once-league best run game in less than two years. That has to be a record in NFL coaching history. ScotM should just pull the trigger and make Bill Callahan interim head coach. There is zero excuse for this team to be playing like this this far into Gruden's tenure. We should be showing SOME improvement and we aren't! Yeah .. we can beat up teams that are struggling but we can't even compete with teams with a .500 record or better. The only reason I can think that Scot might give him one more week is to see how this team plays against the G'nats. The buffoonery on this team ALL points to bad coaching!
One other thing: the fact that Gruden still won't say anything even remotely critical of Kirk while he went out of his way to be overtly critical to the point of pettiness last year of Robert is nauseating, and IMO is grounds enough for his dismissal! Gruden clearly lacks ALL of the necessary skills to be a coach in the NFL!
hitmandm wrote:Look Gruden is going to be fired. Rg3 is not out of the picture. Gruden led teams are an embarrassment and his record is horrible. Cousins has four years of exactly the same thing: Inconsistent play and tons of picks and turnovers.
I like Kirk. He's a real decent guy, and a decent backup QB. That is all. But yeah .. we have seen Kirk's ceiling and he will never lead us to a Super Bowl (and probably fat chance to get us to the playoffs). I would still like to see what a GOOD head coach -- one without a pre-determined vendetta (of which we've had TWO) -- could do with Robert before we let him go elsewhere to have a stellar career (or not). Otherwise, we are back to the draft to throw the dice on yet another "hot" college QB (and that almost never works out for us). At this point, we don't have much to lose to give it one last shot to be certain.
EA7649 wrote:I just heard Peyton Manning wants to play next year, even if its not with the Broncos...Peyton's final team will be the skins?!!! Lmao
Ummmm...
No.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Kirk the experts have spoken, you are at best a backup QB. Play your butt off the last six games, pray they don’t franchise tag you and get the hell of D.C.!! Why would you want to stay and submit yourself to this bipolar fan base?? Your services will be welcome and appreciated in another town, with a more stable owner and coach!!
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DEHog wrote:Why would you want to stay and submit yourself to this bipolar fan base?? Your services will be welcome and appreciated in another town, with a more stable owner and coach!!
Could apply to any player who spends time here, near the Dan Snyder Vortex of Player Ruination.
DEHog wrote:Kirk the experts have spoken, you are at best a backup QB. Play your butt off the last six games, pray they don’t franchise tag you and get the hell of D.C.!! Why would you want to stay and submit yourself to this bipolar fan base?? Your services will be welcome and appreciated in another town, with a more stable owner and coach!!
Yea, put RGMe back in there so we can once again remind those with short memories why he's in street clothes. After all, we're so good at finding quarterbacks we should just let Kirk Cousins go now. No loss.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Everything I wrote last week after the epic Saints win I still believe after an atrocious Panthers loss. Re-sign Cousins as your starter on a three year contract and continue to re-build the team.
This is what good teams do, people. They don't overreact on a week by week basis. They put together a plan and stick with it. If you need any proof of this, I'd encourage you to take a good look at Ron Rivera's first two years with the Panthers.
Not even going to join in this debate beyond this. Hope to see the team put this game as far behind them as possible and deliver some well deserved payback to the Giants next Sunday.
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riggofan wrote:Everything I wrote last week after the epic Saints win I still believe after an atrocious Panthers loss. Re-sign Cousins as your starter on a three year contract and continue to re-build the team.
This is what good teams do, people. They don't overreact on a week by week basis. They put together a plan and stick with it. If you need any proof of this, I'd encourage you to take a good look at Ron Rivera's first two years with the Panthers.
Not even going to join in this debate beyond this. Hope to see the team put this game as far behind them as possible and deliver some well deserved payback to the Giants next Sunday.
I'm good with patience. But do you honestly think Gruden is the guy? Do you think 3 more years with him and we'll see a winning team?
I hope that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB here next season and I'm sure that Scot and the FO will make that happen - Kirk's market value is whatever it is and they will make an appropriate offer or franchise tag him - we need someone to play QB here and whether that is with Jay and Sean makes little difference - Kirk Cousins is the best option at QB - not saying that he's a good starting QB he's just the best QB option available and can help this franchise until we find a real starting QB
For his sake, I hope he plays better so he can get a good contract but that's not that big a deal, we can afford whatever it takes
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
PulpExposure wrote:I'm good with patience. But do you honestly think Gruden is the guy? Do you think 3 more years with him and we'll see a winning team?
I have no idea, man. Maybe, maybe not. I think the team is better this year than last year though, and I expect the record will reflect that at the end of the season. We'll see.
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PulpExposure wrote:I'm good with patience. But do you honestly think Gruden is the guy? Do you think 3 more years with him and we'll see a winning team?
I have no idea, man. Maybe, maybe not. I think the team is better this year than last year though, and I expect the record will reflect that at the end of the season. We'll see.
I think it's better, too. But it's got more talent, and it's built better.
But he's an offensive guy, and his offense isn't working. The running game is historically bad for the Redskins. You add players and talent to the offensive line, one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL, and the running game gets worse? Alfred Morris is a non-factor as a rusher?
hitmandm wrote:Fire Gruden. The guy is overmatched. Hes ruined RG3. He took Garcon last year and nearly destroyed him. Hes trying to ruin Alfred Morris and He's ruining Kerrigan. Build around our Pro Bowl players not destroy them. This dud should not be in the NFL.
Quoted for truth! Gruden needs to be fired. I want it to happen about 6 hours ago on the half-hour flight home! He has destroyed at least two quarterbacks, and Alfred Morris and the once-league best run game in less than two years. That has to be a record in NFL coaching history. ScotM should just pull the trigger and make Bill Callahan interim head coach. There is zero excuse for this team to be playing like this this far into Gruden's tenure. We should be showing SOME improvement and we aren't! Yeah .. we can beat up teams that are struggling but we can't even compete with teams with a .500 record or better. The only reason I can think that Scot might give him one more week is to see how this team plays against the G'nats. The buffoonery on this team ALL points to bad coaching!
One other thing: the fact that Gruden still won't say anything even remotely critical of Kirk while he went out of his way to be overtly critical to the point of pettiness last year of Robert is nauseating, and IMO is grounds enough for his dismissal! Gruden clearly lacks ALL of the necessary skills to be a coach in the NFL!
Such a typical DC Fan comment!!!! Burn it down!!!!!
Firing coaches mid-season are what clown organizations do. Lack of structure IS the reason our franchise is in its current state. We need to finish the year, make assessments and move forward. If that means firing Gruden, great. But firing Gruden at this point makes absolutely no sense. We are 1 game out of the NFC East and we just got out of the most difficult stretch in our schedule.
These RGIII fans have it out for Gruden so bad. It's not like Gruden was the only coach that benched him. And then there's the fact no one else in the entire NFL wanted to trade for him. There is a reason most NFL coaches don't want him to start. It's not a vendetta; it is called reality. Personally, there is still a small piece that thinks RGIII could somehow, someway return to 2012 form --- but if I were a coach and my job depended on it, there is no way I am going to chance it; his 2013-2014 play were just too atrocious.
there are some here that just support the Redskins and have their ups and downs as things continue here under Dan Snyder ...
then there are the extremists that think that we're just fine considering and everyone needs to support Kirk and Jay and just wait until next season OR that RG3 is going to come back and be the QB here next season - you guys are just so full of yourselves it's funny
give me a break - Jay Gruden is OK not great and so is Kirk Cousins - Scot McCloughan just needs a couple of drafts and things will turn around here - I doubt that Jay Gruden or Kirk Cousins are going to lift their game to the level it takes to be any good in the NFL but give it some time
let's just hope that this mediocre bunch can find a way to win 6 more games this season - 1 game at a time
one thing is very clear to me - this is a better team than last season and that is all that some of us here hoped to see - enjoy the ride
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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
