Opportunity to trade RGIII

[SkinsJock]

The FO would trade Griffin in a heartbeat if they thought it would help the franchise - it has nothing to do with what Snyder wants or does not want - the franchise is in full evaluation mode from the HC down - I would be very surprised if Griffin saw any action this season but there's no reason to just discard a QB that might have some value - The HC and QB have a whole season to show their worth and they are trying to show that it's in the best interests of this franchise to be a part of this franchise going forward ... just like everyone else on the roster - I doubt that both Gruden and Griffin will be here next season - Cousins may be back but he has to show that he's over his tendency to turn the ball over

I'd love for Cousins to show that he can become a good NFL QB - that would make the QB situation a little better as we continue the rebuild - I seriously doubt that Gruden will become a whole lot better than he has shown so far and I doubt that he's coming back

Scot McCloughan is in charge here - he will trade Griffin if and when he thinks it's best for the franchise

[riggofan]

I would be very surprised if Griffin saw any action this season but there's no reason to just discard a QB that might have some value

I don't discount this opinion nor what hitmandm wrote about Snyder. Keeping Griffin around to hedge his bets is definitely a possibility.

Personally I think its also possible that they've kept RG3 on just to keep him off other rosters. We're not freeing up salary cap space by letting him go. Why release him and let Dallas, for example, pick him up for nothing this year? Just imagine that scenario.

I seriously doubt that Gruden will become a whole lot better than he has shown so far and I doubt that he's coming back

I'll take that bet in a heartbeat.

Gruden only has to win two more games to improve on last year's record. The team may be lacking in talent, but they're clearly playing for him every Sunday and not quitting. I think McCloughan is plenty smart enough to know that he has a ways to go in rebuilding this team. Why set them back further by blowing up the coaching staff yet again? That's asinine.

[StorminMormon86]

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Bingo. The team still believes in Gruden. That's huge.

[SkinsJock]

I do expect the record to be better than last season but despite the improvement, I'm not sure that Jay will show enough "it" to keep his job

we shall see - there's a whole 9 games to go - I've been very wrong before and I'm sure I will be again

[markshark84]

Why RG3 is on the roster is because Snyder is probably considering the departure of Gruden and Cousins. Yesterday's victory against last years last place team means little. Largest comeback? Why were we down to last years Last place team that much to begin with? Ineptitude.

Is Snyder the one who's going to make that decision? More importantly do you really want Snyder to be the one making those decisions?? Isn’t that what got us where we are??

No, Snyder is not going to be the one making personnel decisions. Scot McCloughan is. He wouldn't have taken the job otherwise.

I am 100% sure that Danny boy TOLD Scot he would be making those decisions. At the end of the day, Danny boy is the boss. He can do what he wants --- and has proven time and time and time and time again he will, regardless of the situation or what he has previously promised; he's a dick like that.

On top of that, Danny boy folds like a cheap suit everytime the fans get disgruntled. If the sentiment is the fans don't like Gruden, Danny boy will force Scot's hand regardless of what Scot wants to do. After all, Scot wasn't hirable as a GM at the time Danny boy hired him as our GM. Scot knows that if it appears as if he is difficult to deal with or is making waves, it could cost him his career as a front office exec.

So --- while I'd LOVE to think Scot would be in charge of a personel decision as big as the HC, I don't. Danny boy will be consulted and his position will be addressed and considered. It won't be like the Caudwell situation where he fired his OC without even telling the owner. Danny boy is a micromanager -- the problem is he has no clue how to manage. I don't see why anything is different currently that would result in Danny boy changing how he has historically and consistently run this franchise (into the ground). Hope could be one reason, but that is all I can think of.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

So --- while I'd LOVE to think Scot would be in charge of a personel decision as big as the HC, I don't. Danny boy will be consulted and his position will be addressed and considered. It won't be like the Caudwell situation where he fired his OC without even telling the owner. Danny boy is a micromanager -- the problem is he has no clue how to manage. I don't see why anything is different currently that would result in Danny boy changing how he has historically and consistently run this franchise (into the ground). Hope could be one reason, but that is all I can think of.

I thought this thread was about trading RGIII, not about Jay Gruden's job. Gruden's job is going to be a community charlie foxtrot of Snyder, Allen, McCloughan, and any American Indians willing to defend the team name for money.

[riggofan]

On top of that, Danny boy folds like a cheap suit everytime the fans get disgruntled.

Totally agree. For as much as we complain about him, the fan base has been the biggest enabler of Snyder and the annual off-season hope sale.

I don't really get the speculation about firing Gruden, just seems completely baseless. He's in the second year of a five year contract. He's a Bruce Allen guy. I know Snyder has this history, but if anything has remotely changed with this organization there is no way in hell they fire Gruden this year. Stay the course, stick with your plan, be patient and rebuild the team. You don't change just because the local media overreacts to every game, good or bad.

Thought these were some good comments from an NFL.com article a few weeks back when Kai was released:

With each passing week, sources say, McCloughan and Gruden are starting to get closer and more respectful of one another's ability. The conversations about the quarterback position, no doubt, helped expedite the process. But the decisions that are helping to shape the culture of the organization have been the main reason for that.

"The locker room is looking at this saying, 'There's no bull---- anymore,' " one team source said Wednesday. "The players who earn the jobs are going to be the ones playing in the games."

Oh, wait -- you thought we were talking about the quarterback position? No, no. At this point, that's merely fodder for those outside franchise walls. On the inside, the Redskins are talking about something else: the kicker.

The example might sound strange, but coach Jay Gruden and general manager Scot McCloughan both realize they must change the culture at Redskins Park with every decision they make. And players are noticing.

Accountability is alive again.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... untability

[DEHog]

He's a Bruce Allen guy

I agree with you Riggo, but this is why I think it could be on the table and an easier sell to the fan base...He's Allen's guy not a SM guy.

[SkinsJock]

I'm not advocating that Gruden be fired - I'm just thinking that he will be because:

1) Gruden was brought in here to help Griffin - he must have been asked what he would do and he has not lived up to that

2) Gruden was not hired by Scott and he is most likely not a favorite of the other 2 (Allen & Snyder)

3) Gruden has not done great so far - he could really pick it up and show that he's a good NFL coach - I just don't see "it"

I agree that letting all the coaches go would be a mistake but I don't think that Scott will let anyone go that he thinks might be worth keeping

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

He's a Bruce Allen guy

I agree with you Riggo, but this is why I think it could be on the table and an easier sell to the fan base...He's Allen's guy not a SM guy.

If Bruce Allen is still involved in personnel decisions on any level I'd be stunned. He makes Vinny Cerrato look like Bill Polian.

[fredp45]

Back on topic...

I agree 100% now is the time to trade RGIII to the Texans...If we can get a mid to late round pick for him we 1) officially move on from that drama, 2) we prove to Kirk is the guy, 3) we get an extra pick for Scot; 4) we save cap money for next year...

Lastly, I don't want to cut RGIII and let him go to Dallas or Philly. I'd rather determine where he goes to play. If they cut him, we can't control that.

Do it Scot!!

[fredp45]

OR, Trade him for Clowney...one apparent bust for another...both need a change of scenery.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

OR, Trade him for Clowney...one apparent bust for another...both need a change of scenery.

The Texans can have RGIII. If Clowney can't produce with JJ Watt on the other side we have no use for him here.

[fredp45]

and....what use do we have for RGIII at this point??

[markshark84]

Back on topic...

I agree 100% now is the time to trade RGIII to the Texans...If we can get a mid to late round pick for him we 1) officially move on from that drama, 2) we prove to Kirk is the guy, 3) we get an extra pick for Scot; 4) we save cap money for next year...

Lastly, I don't want to cut RGIII and let him go to Dallas or Philly. I'd rather determine where he goes to play. If they cut him, we can't control that.

Do it Scot!!

Rick Smith is a very good GM. He's not dumb enough to TRADE for RGIII --- even if he wants him (which I highly doubt) he knows he'll be available at the end of the year because there is no way Scot is keeping him on the roster at $16M. Smith also knows the season is basically over and a QB change won't help them --- especially a QB that isn't a good fit based on the current personnel. To prove this, HOU just released Mallet and are going to sign TJ Yates..... HOU may be having a down year, but they are a smart organization. They know it isn't wise to rock the boat in week 7.

A mid-round pick is the of the century. It would be a major coup to get a 7th rounder for him.......

RGIII is untradeable at this point. He makes $6M against the cap this year. You literally couldn't GIVE him away at this point.

There is no doubt RGIII will land somewhere next season --- but it will be via FA and not trade. Also -- Danny boy would never trade RGIII. Danny boy & RGIII are besties.

[DEHog]

He's a Bruce Allen guy

I agree with you Riggo, but this is why I think it could be on the table and an easier sell to the fan base...He's Allen's guy not a SM guy.

If Bruce Allen is still involved in personnel decisions on any level I'd be stunned. He makes Vinny Cerrato look like Bill Polian.

Agreed..Bruce may have a opinion but it will be SM decision.

[markshark84]

So --- while I'd LOVE to think Scot would be in charge of a personel decision as big as the HC, I don't. Danny boy will be consulted and his position will be addressed and considered. It won't be like the Caudwell situation where he fired his OC without even telling the owner. Danny boy is a micromanager -- the problem is he has no clue how to manage. I don't see why anything is different currently that would result in Danny boy changing how he has historically and consistently run this franchise (into the ground). Hope could be one reason, but that is all I can think of.

I thought this thread was about trading RGIII, not about Jay Gruden's job. Gruden's job is going to be a community charlie foxtrot of Snyder, Allen, McCloughan, and any American Indians willing to defend the team name for money.

WTF??????

You were the one who literally responded to a post related to who makes personnel decisions as it relates to Jay Gruden...... I'd go back and read what you respond to.

I do like the joke though --- but all kidding aside, lets hope to GOD Scot makes any and ALL football related decisions. Do I think he will --- no, but I can hope.

[markshark84]

Totally agree. For as much as we complain about him, the fan base has been the biggest enabler of Snyder and the annual off-season hope sale.

Nothing truer has ever been posted in the history of this forum. Literally.

Great post.

[DEHog]

Back on topic...

I agree 100% now is the time to trade RGIII to the Texans...If we can get a mid to late round pick for him we 1) officially move on from that drama, 2) we prove to Kirk is the guy, 3) we get an extra pick for Scot; 4) we save cap money for next year...

Lastly, I don't want to cut RGIII and let him go to Dallas or Philly. I'd rather determine where he goes to play. If they cut him, we can't control that.

Do it Scot!!

Rick Smith is a very good GM. He's not dumb enough to TRADE for RGIII --- even if he wants him (which I highly doubt) he knows he'll be available at the end of the year because there is no way Scot is keeping him on the roster at $16M. Smith also knows the season is basically over and a QB change won't help them --- especially a QB that isn't a good fit based on the current personnel. To prove this, HOU just released Mallet and are going to sign TJ Yates..... HOU may be having a down year, but they are a smart organization. They know it isn't wise to rock the boat in week 7.

A mid-round pick is the of the century. It would be a major coup to get a 7th rounder for him.......

RGIII is untradeable at this point. He makes $6M against the cap this year. You literally couldn't GIVE him away at this point.

There is no doubt RGIII will land somewhere next season --- but it will be via FA and not trade. Also -- Danny boy would never trade RGIII. Danny boy & RGIII are besties.

And that's just the Football side of it...how many teams want to deal with his persona in their locker room?? I don't think there are going to be as many teams going after him as people may think.

[markshark84]

And that's just the Football side of it...how many teams want to deal with his persona in their locker room?? I don't think there are going to be as many teams going after him as people may think.

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

I agree that there won't be a ton of suitors, but I think we'll see a couple. Who knows though. Honestly, I still wouldn't mind him being here next year if he'd take the league minimum.

[riggofan]

He's a Bruce Allen guy

I agree with you Riggo, but this is why I think it could be on the table and an easier sell to the fan base...He's Allen's guy not a SM guy.

Heck man, I don't think they would have to "sell" it to the fan base at all. We can finish 6-10 and the fan base will be screaming that we need a new coach. That's just what we expect. No need to sell anything at all!

To your point - and SkinsJock's too I believe - I do agree that if we got to the end of the season and McCloughan said, "We need to fire Gruden" then so be it. I just think SM is smarter than that. We're not losing games right now because of Gruden. McCloughan has to know we have enough work to do rebuilding this team without blowing up the coaching staff.

[riggofan]

You may be right, but I think RGIII has been humbled to a degree. He is a good person and I think has all the leadership type intangibles to be a successful QB. There is no question his head swelled to the size of Jupiter after 2012, but I think he has come back down to earth ---- or at least I would think that'd be the case.

Agreed. I give him a lot of credit for how he's handled the situation this year.

Its not just about Griffin though. Has anyone been following what's gone on with Kaepernick this year? I think teams are questioning that style of QB play. Nothing new to us here in DC.

[hitmandm]

He's a Bruce Allen guy

I agree with you Riggo, but this is why I think it could be on the table and an easier sell to the fan base...He's Allen's guy not a SM guy.

Heck man, I don't think they would have to "sell" it to the fan base at all. We can finish 6-10 and the fan base will be screaming that we need a new coach. That's just what we expect. No need to sell anything at all!

To your point - and SkinsJock's too I believe - I do agree that if we got to the end of the season and McCloughan said, "We need to fire Gruden" then so be it. I just think SM is smarter than that. We're not losing games right now because of Gruden. McCloughan has to know we have enough work to do rebuilding this team without blowing up the coaching staff.

He is getting outcoached in the third quarter by a wide margin. That is the coach's quarter. He is losing us games.

[DEHog]

He's a Bruce Allen guy

I agree with you Riggo, but this is why I think it could be on the table and an easier sell to the fan base...He's Allen's guy not a SM guy.

Heck man, I don't think they would have to "sell" it to the fan base at all. We can finish 6-10 and the fan base will be screaming that we need a new coach. That's just what we expect. No need to sell anything at all!

To your point - and SkinsJock's too I believe - I do agree that if we got to the end of the season and McCloughan said, "We need to fire Gruden" then so be it. I just think SM is smarter than that. We're not losing games right now because of Gruden. McCloughan has to know we have enough work to do rebuilding this team without blowing up the coaching staff.

I think you do have to sell it to a large portion of the fan base (like you and I ) who are tired of seeing the revolving HC door in Ashburn. You and I both know that Snyder would get crushed by the media and some of the fanbase for yet another coaching change. But having a new GM in town who didn't hire Gruden makes it a much "easier sell" IMO. My hope is it doesn't come to that!!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I think you do have to sell it to a large portion of the fan base (like you and I ) who are tired of seeing the revolving HC door in Ashburn. You and I both know that Snyder would get crushed by the media and some of the fanbase for yet another coaching change. But having a new GM in town who didn't hire Gruden makes it a much "easier sell" IMO. My hope is it doesn't come to that!!

I'm going to go out on that limb, err, tree trunk, and suspect Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder would both be involved in any coaching change decision. I do think though that Scot McCloughan alone is responsible for the player personnel decisions.