Skins @ Jets Post Game Catharsis....!!!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

This is all on the Danny. He doesn't care about good defense. All he wants is a remake of the "Greatest Show on Turf." That's why he's only hired offensive coaches.

All we can do is hope and pray that the Danny is done pretending to know a damn thing about football. Just sign the checks and stay out of Scot McCloughan's way. Thanks in advance.

[aswas71788]

It is hard to watch games like this. You see improvements such as the o-line pass protection and the defense in parts. But...the o-line does not seem to be very good at opening lanes for the running backs. The defense allows the other team to run at will against the left side of the line. The play calling was predictable. I sat and called probably 3/4's of the offensive calls before the ball was snapped. If I can do that, you can bet that the opposing defensive coach can do better.

I thought Gruden would be better but am now hoping he gets replaced at or before the end of the year. He is just not getting it done. The quarterback play is dreadful but IMO there is no better option available, on or off then team. Cousins has shown what he is, RGIII has not shown he is better and McCoy has shown that he is no more than a back-up quarterback in the NFL. Per the things I have read, there is not a quarterback in the next draft that is considered to be starting quality. I don't know but hope Scott MC C can find someone because the Redskins will not progress unless they have a competent quarterback.

I can see the Redskins loosing all of their remaining games and finish 2 - 14. I sincerely hope not.

[markshark84]

The NYJ's didn't punt once ---- not a single time.

How about the one we blocked for a TD?

Come on man.

At that point they were trying to burn out the clock. There was 4 mins left and we were down 21. They were trapped at their 2 yard line after we failed to score and ran 3 consecutive run plays --- and everyone on the PLANET knew they were going to run 3 straight times. I don't consider those types of situations real "defensive stops". The game was over; everyone knew it. The NYJs were basically kneeling it to run out the clock. Same situation as his other with 3 mins left; 3 straight easy calls to run the ball and use up the clock. You really love stirring the pot I must say.

And since you are really into technicalities ----- technically that one wasn't considered a "punt".... it was a punt attempt --- so you need to read my post a little closer next time.

[Deadskins]

technically that one wasn't considered a "punt".... it was a punt attempt

So, his foot never hit the ball?

[SkinsJock]

many of you don't know what you're seeing - that was a good team we played and we really were not going to win the game

at the beginning of this season when everyone finally got over the stupidity of the QB fiasco and how it was handled, it was generally agreed that we were looking at possibly going 8-8 ... BUT, more importantly we (well some of us) were hoping for a clear sign that Dan Snyder was not meddling with the product on the field and that this franchise was finally in the hands of a good GM - Scot has shown that he can help here but it's going to take time to sort things out - we do not have to find a QB ASAP - Scot will find a way to get things sorted out and who knows when the next great QB will be in B&G - it will happen but it will take time

we are headed in the right direction and while the product on the field may not be good enough to win against really good teams we can be competitive agains a lot of teams and 8-8 still looks possible to me even with Captain Pick as QB and the wrong Gruden as HC

if we play as well as we have been (even though it might not look it to some of you) we might be 3-4 after this Sunday and that is only 1 game off what we did all of last season with a terrible group on the field

I'm as disappointed as everyone but things are a lot better than a lot of the doubters are trying to say they are, is all I'm saying

Captain Pick is not stepping up as much as some had hoped but he's also not totally to blame for everything either and because of the injuries we're seeing a lot of good play from a lot of players here that normally would not have been given a shot

[riggofan]

many of you don't know what you're seeing - that was a good team we played and we really were not going to win the game

at the beginning of this season when everyone finally got over the stupidity of the QB fiasco and how it was handled, it was generally agreed that we were looking at possibly going 8-8 ... BUT, more importantly we (well some of us) were hoping for a clear sign that Dan Snyder was not meddling with the product on the field and that this franchise was finally in the hands of a good GM - Scot has shown that he can help here but it's going to take time to sort things out - we do not have to find a QB ASAP - Scot will find a way to get things sorted out and who knows when the next great QB will be in B&G - it will happen but it will take time

we are headed in the right direction and while the product on the field may not be good enough to win against really good teams we can be competitive agains a lot of teams and 8-8 still looks possible to me even with Captain Pick as QB and the wrong Gruden as HC

if we play as well as we have been (even though it might not look it to some of you) we might be 3-4 after this Sunday and that is only 1 game off what we did all of last season with a terrible group on the field

I'm as disappointed as everyone but things are a lot better than a lot of the doubters are trying to say they are, is all I'm saying

Captain Pick is not stepping up as much as some had hoped but he's also not totally to blame for everything either and because of the injuries we're seeing a lot of good play from a lot of players here that normally would not have been given a shot

Refreshing dose of sanity from you, Mr. SkinsJock. Although the "Captain Pick" stuff is exceptionally childish and irritating, but don't let that deter you.

I don't really agree that the Jets are an especially good team. They're ok, but wasn't like we played the Patriots. But the defense is rock solid, and given the injury situation I don't think there was much question who was more likely to win the game when they lined up on Sunday.

The only thing I don't get about the "will Gruden be fired?" question is that like SJ pointed out, we all knew this was likely to be another rebuilding year. McCloughan clearly knew it if you listened to his comments before the season. My expectations for this season were basically just to continue to rebuild the roster and find out over the year if you have a workable QB in Cousins or you need to do something else at the end of the year.

I'm just not seeing any big failure on the part of Gruden at this point. The team has largely been more competitive and better prepared this year than they were last year. I think fans need a serious reality check. We SUCKED last year. We're not embarrassing ourselves this year. We've been in pretty much every game this season, even games missing seven starters.

If McCloughan believes Jay is completely screwing up then so be it. Otherwise, I would just continue to roll with what we have for another year. Continue to build the roster. I just don't see anything to be gained from firing the coach at this point other than setting the team back another year. And I definitely don't want to see a coaching change because of Dan Snyder knee jerk reacting to idiot fans.

[Deadskins]

I definitely don't want to see a coaching change because of Dan Snyder knee jerk reacting to idiot fans.

+ 1,000,000

[SkinsJock]

IMO - Gruden has not done badly enough that Scot will let him go but he's certainly not making a great case for himself either - this franchise has really sucked the past few years and what we're seeing is a big improvement but I'm not sure that a lot of credit goes to the HC for that

the QB situation here has been a mess and Gruden needs to show a lot of leadership in how that is handled for the rest of the season or both he and Captain Pick are out of here

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

We "know Griffin isn't any better.."

How does anyone know this? Like when he was behind center and helhped keep filthy out of the post season last year?
He is better then what we saw yesterday. More accurate, more safe with the ball... And more sacks.. but all in all better.

You fans with a vendetta out for Griffin are ridiculous.. just because your boy was a hot mess yesterday, doesn't mean Griffin is as incompetent as YOU want him to be. Gtfoh w you bs already

[SkinsJock]

Fact is, most of the teams we play are better than we are - we are losing games mostly because we are not finding ways to play better and we're making bad decisions on the field

IMO - we are playing better than we're used to seeing mostly because there is a change in attitude here - players seem to be trying harder

as a matter of interest, did you see any of the Dolphins game yesterday - Dolphins had 1 sack all season - they had 4 sacks under the new coach - same players as the old coach had, VERY different looking team - that Dolphins team would have crushed the Redskins

[markshark84]

technically that one wasn't considered a "punt".... it was a punt attempt

So, his foot never hit the ball?

Man o' man...... Do you LOVE to argue semantics......

First off, I realized that Quigley did actually punt the ball in the second quarter..... so I was actually incorrect in that respect but not in my overall statement that our DEF should have gotten more stops throughout the game.....

That said, I understand the definition as provided in Section 18, Article 1, Item 3 of the NFL rules book --- but in application, whether it hit the foot does not matter in determining whether a punt did or did not occur....... just look at the box score; that particular "attempt" was treated as if the punt never happened; it was NOT taken into account in determining yards per punt or total punts...... Rules only matter in how they are applied, my friend.

You must be a BLAST to hang out with on a Saturday night........

[SkinsJock]

We "know Griffin isn't any better.." How does anyone know this?
Like when he was behind center and he helped keep filthy out of the post season last year?
He is better then what we saw yesterday. More accurate, more safe with the ball... And more sacks.. but all in all, better.

You fans with a vendetta out for Griffin are ridiculous, just because your boy was a hot mess yesterday, doesn't mean Griffin is as incompetent as YOU want him to be. Gtfoh w you bs already

you shouldn't ask this question - as #47 said "you're a moron if you think Griffin might be better ..."

I don't know what Griffin or McCoy might do but I'm pretty sure of what I'm going to get from Cousins and it's not just the INTs - Cousins just doesn't make good decisions and he doesn't look comfortable playing QB - I'm pretty sure that he gets to start this week and he needs to show that he's still the best option at QB which he was at the beginning of the season but he is losing it quickly

[markshark84]

Refreshing dose of sanity from you, Mr. SkinsJock. Although the "Captain Pick" stuff is exceptionally childish and irritating, but don't let that deter you.

I'm just not seeing any big failure on the part of Gruden at this point. The team has largely been more competitive and better prepared this year than they were last year. I think fans need a serious reality check. We SUCKED last year. We're not embarrassing ourselves this year. We've been in pretty much every game this season, even games missing seven starters.

And I definitely don't want to see a coaching change because of Dan Snyder knee jerk reacting to idiot fans.

Separately yours into paragraphs and my responses into corresponding paragraphs.

I actually like the "Captiain Pick". He has EARNED the nickname.

The "big failure" I see is the playcalling. He conitues to run HIGHLY predicable plays and doesn't call "down hill" type running plays. He needs to allow Morris to get his feet moving and run more off tackle and outside tackle. That is where Morris has had his success, yet he continues to go inside inside inside. Morris is a big guy, he needs 5-8 steps before he become difficult to bring down. Running up the middle prevents this. We "sucked" last year mainly due to the play of RGIII and while Cousins is playing at this point below average as a whole, he isn't playing "bottom 3".

Danny boy has had a history of making decisions based on fan uprising. He did it with Vinny and hiring Scot. He'll do it again. That is how people who don't know what the f@#% they are doing react to fan dissension.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Danny boy has had a history of making decisions based on fan uprising. He did it with Vinny and hiring Scot. He'll do it again. That is how people who don't know what the f@#% they are doing react to fan dissension.

If we're taking bets on what Danny would do I'm anticipating Donald Trump as the next head coach of the Washington Redskins.

[Deadskins]

technically that one wasn't considered a "punt".... it was a punt attempt

So, his foot never hit the ball?

Man o' man...... Do you LOVE to argue semantics......

I do, I do.

You must be a BLAST to hang out with on a Saturday night........

I am, I am.

[markshark84]

I don't see Jax, Hall, Trent, Jones, or even Reed making THAT big of a difference today. Hell, wasn't our only offensive td to the back up tight end?

Do you really believe that. Those are 5 of our 10 best players. They are a BIG deal. Lets get real here. Also, Garcon scored the TD. The replacements haven't been spectacular in any respect.

The D did good enough, but kept getting sent right back out there.

What????? They punted once. One single time. They put up 34 on us. I will give them 7 because of the first Kirk INT. The second was didn't give them advantageous field position. Our DEF was horrible. That isn't even debatable. Get real. 28 points and 33 min TOP isn't "good enough" in any respect. Our OFF didn't help, but lets not get crazy with how our DEF did. They underperformed.

Kirk really didn't play well, and that hurt us. The O was inept. The back up wrs WERE getting open, and Kirk was getting decent protection all day.. he just missed more then he didn't today. The ints REALLY killed us, coupled with the inaccurate throws what could we do?

Agree but Kirk not only didn't "play well", he had a HORRIBLE game. His inconsistency is killing us. That being said, I didn't see many WRs getting open and Kirk missing --- instead he was HIGHLY inaccurate in his throws (which is WORSE IMHO). Protection was mediocre (not sure if that is the same as "decent" to you), but not "good". There are tons of excuses that can be made for Kirk, but I don't see any justifiable ones on the INTs.

Run game is being taken away by the opposition daring Kirk to beat them.... And he can't. Simple as that. If he hits deep or even medium-sized deep a few times they will respect the pass and open up some lanes for the RBs.

I think our run game is lacking due to Gruden's playcalling. He need to run more off tackle and/or outside tackle plays. That is where Morris thrives. Jones would too as long as he can protect the ball. In theory, the pass shouldn't open up the run..... and it won't with a game manager.

[grampi]

Why are you people still wasting your time on this joke of a team?

[riggofan]

I actually like the "Captiain Pick". He has EARNED the nickname.

hah. I mean, whatever makes people feel better.

The "big failure" I see is the playcalling. He conitues to run HIGHLY predicable plays and doesn't call "down hill" type running plays. He needs to allow Morris to get his feet moving and run more off tackle and outside tackle.

Really? I don't know if you're right, but my gut feeling is that we have enough experienced, good coaches on that staff to know where to run Morris. Kinda doubt that the internet message boards really know anything that they don't. I think the problem with the run game is that defenses are willing to stack the box, shut it down and force Cousins to beat them in the air. Seems to be a winning strategy right now too.

My point Mark was just that I was really expecting this year to look like the incompetent debacle of last year and I don't think it really has. Its a better team than last year, but still a work in progress.

Danny boy has had a history of making decisions based on fan uprising. He did it with Vinny and hiring Scot. He'll do it again. That is how people who don't know what the f@#% they are doing react to fan dissension.

That's for sure. I hope things are different this year, but I'm not optimistic. Our ongoing strategy of a new QB every year and a new coaching staff every two years hasn't exactly panned out.

[welch]

Hard to win if you can’t run the ball or stop the run. This was by far the hardest game to watch in a few years, seeing what could have been with Bowles as our coach. Really impressed with him, no one has scored on the Jets in the third quarter this year!!

No one will ever be able to justify to me why we hired Jay Gruden over Todd Bowles. Don't hire the former Redskin with the Super Bowl XXII ring who actually understands defenses and is a personal friend of Doug Williams, a senior executive with the Redskins who personally recommended Bowles to the Redskins before he recommended Bowles to the Jets.

First thing I thought when Jets hired Todd Bowles: he's OUR Todd Bowles!

You could make a decent organization out of people who played for Joe Gibbs (and Richie Petibon) but do NOT work for the Redskins: Mark Murphy, Martin Mayhew, Russ Grimm, Todd Bowles.

[riggofan]

Why are you people still wasting your time on this joke of a team?

Why are you?

[riggofan]

I don't see Jax, Hall, Trent, Jones, or even Reed making THAT big of a difference today. Hell, wasn't our only offensive td to the back up tight end?

Do you really believe that. Those are 5 of our 10 best players. They are a BIG deal. Lets get real here. Also, Garcon scored the TD. The replacements haven't been spectacular in any respect.

hah. Seriously! Especially Reed. That's been a huge loss for Cousins.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I really don't see any of those guys making the qb look any better then he did... A ball in the dirt is a ball in the dirt.. a perfect pass to the wrong team is still that.

Had Reed or Jax been running free down field, no I don't think Kirk magically hits them in stride, sorry.

[SkinsJock]

the biggest 'loss' for Cousins has been in the brain cell department - this is not because of who is not available, he's making bad decisions

Cousins needs a good game against the Bucs or McCoy is going to play

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

My previous post Bout the D got misconstrued.. the D was doing well enough, Breeland in particular.. it because the O was on and off in a blink of an eye I think it's unfair to judge them as a unit after having to shoulder the O as well. The TOP shows the D getting wore out due to the O not performing more then it shows the D not getting off the field. 3 turn overs... And if Kirk managed to get any points on his own (a looong drive maybe) I think the ball game looks different.

That said I don't think the D played as a top ten unit all game.. had a good half, then got thrown under the bus in the 2nd. Keep the D on the field has li. Since been a recipe for success, even among top Ds

[DEHog]

I really don't see any of those guys making the qb look any better then he did... A ball in the dirt is a ball in the dirt.. a perfect pass to the wrong team is still that.

Had Reed or Jax been running free down field, no I don't think Kirk magically hits them in stride, sorry.

You don’t think having Reed, Jackson, Listenstiger, Lauvao and Williams couldn’t help the running game…which is what our young QB’s desperately need to succeed??