RGIII to 2nd String??

[SkinsJock]

As much as people downplay 2012, there was REAL talent shown there- and I think the story isn't finished.

I prefer Cousins as the starter right now, but I still kind of agree with your statement about Griffin. I've never bought into the extreme negatives about Griffin, like he's incapable of playing. Like you wrote, 2012 wasn't only about Kyle's magical offense.

I think its unlikely that RGIII will be the QB that this team needs. Not because he's so horrible, but this team just has so many all around weaknesses. It was a tall order to bring in a possible franchise QB who needed significant time to develop, then give away however many first round picks that we badly needed, and THEN get hit with that salary cap penalty on top of it. Throw in the badly timed coaching change, Dan Snyder, weak drafting and the usual Skins drama. That's just a lot for any QB to overcome, much less one with Robert's skill set and deficiencies.

I recognize Cousins' problems, but I think he's the one most likely to be "OK" enough for the next year or so at least to allow the team time to rebuild with some type of sane plan - if that's what Scot is allowed to do. Not great, not abysmal. Just be decent this year so that we can get our act together finally. Too much to ask?

+1 - let's just keep moving forward - this franchise would benefit greatly from having both Cousins and Gruden here for another season, HOWEVER, both have a lot of work to do for that to happen - not sure that Griffin suits the offense that Gruden wants to run here either but I sure as hell do not agree that this kid cannot help an NFL offense - he certainly needs more time and maybe a different HC - I will say this, I would be very surprised if both Gruden and Griffin are here next season - that's the only reason I think he's still here and I'm sure that nobody wants to risk that $16M if they can avoid it

[yupchagee]

As much as people downplay 2012, there was REAL talent shown there- and I think the story isn't finished.

I prefer Cousins as the starter right now, but I still kind of agree with your statement about Griffin. I've never bought into the extreme negatives about Griffin, like he's incapable of playing. Like you wrote, 2012 wasn't only about Kyle's magical offense.

I think its unlikely that RGIII will be the QB that this team needs. Not because he's so horrible, but this team just has so many all around weaknesses. It was a tall order to bring in a possible franchise QB who needed significant time to develop, then give away however many first round picks that we badly needed, and THEN get hit with that salary cap penalty on top of it. Throw in the badly timed coaching change, Dan Snyder, weak drafting and the usual Skins drama. That's just a lot for any QB to overcome, much less one with Robert's skill set and deficiencies.

I recognize Cousins' problems, but I think he's the one most likely to be "OK" enough for the next year or so at least to allow the team time to rebuild with some type of sane plan - if that's what Scot is allowed to do. Not great, not abysmal. Just be decent this year so that we can get our act together finally. Too much to ask?

I'd agree if we didn't owe Griff $16M in 2016.

[DarthMonk]

What does under throwing an open guy have to do with reading a D? Seems like a good call and read - just a bad throw - and not due to a weak arm - just a simple under throw which, of course, is bad.

First pick was really on the WR - horrible route. 2nd was all on Kirk.

Underthrowing is either a mechanical issue or a timing issue or both. We've seen Kirk throw the ball over 50 yards so arm strength is definitely not the issue on those throws. He's only been sacked four times this season, so without even looking at the film I'm going to assume he had a clean pocket on those attempts. The vast majority of his passes are timing plays so the conclusion I reach is that he's simply counting off the mental clock in his head and making the throws, expecting the receiver to be "on the spot", without actually even looking at the defensive coverage. I've only actually seen him staring down a receiver once out of those interceptions and that was on a broken play.

Throwing a deeper ball involves releasing much like in golf or doing what a tennis player would call hitting out. I basically think Kirk has short-armed his deep shots. Hitting one would make his next deep release more confident and less likely to be tentative.

He seems to read Ds effectively and has a strong enough arm. He forces a ball every few games that he shouldn't. He has yet to display touch on the deep ball though he seems to have plenty of arm.

As for Griff - I suspect the time will come when Kirk has to come out for a play and Griff will go in. Then we will trade Griff to SEA or 49R for a conditional pick.

[riggofan]

As for Griff - I suspect the time will come when Kirk has to come out for a play and Griff will go in.

Not as long as Griff is in street clothes!

Trade scenario seems more and more unlikely to me. Teams know we're likely going to have to release him before March. Even if we have Griffin supporters in the front office, no way can you pay him $16m next year with all of the questions surrounding him.

[StorminMormon86]

What are u talking about? He didn't even have garbage time stats.. and we were within winning all game. The fumble by Niles set it off... But he didn't have a padded ending, nor did I ever say he was anything other then an efficient game manager ala Kirk vs St Louis.

My mistake, it was the first week of 2013 against Philadelphia were he racked up garbage time stats and people were singing his praise.

Griffin is far from perfect, and has his share of deficiencies, never have argued he doesn't. The hyp this summer pointed to improved mechanics, and I had hoped to see him healthy behind an improved line w a better TEAM. I didn't see enough doodoo in the preseason to write him off like the anti-Griff crowd, but conversely have seen enough of the Kirk show after three full REAL games.

How about 4 full games now?

What's the issue? Kirk is starting and sinking as you want. I've enough of the same, like I imagine you feel with Robert. Just because Im on the other side of the line doesn't mean I'm wrong, or have to let go of anything.

But the point remains: 2012 is long gone. That guy from 2012 isn't coming back.

As much as people downplay 2012, there was REAL talent shown there- and I think the story isn't finished. I'll gladly admit to being wrong if he hangs them up after never producing again; cool?

Never seen anyone downplay 2012. Just that it's the past. But there were a ton of deficiencies masked by Kyle Shanahan's system that nobody saw coming.

[markshark84]

And Griffin's doodoo for the past 2 years is irrelevant? 2013 didn't happen? 2014?

And garbage time stats don't impress you? Wasn't it you who made such a big deal about Griffin's "good" performance against Houston last year, coincidentally padding his stats during "garbage time"? Let it go man. The only hope we have left (and I'll be the first to admit it's a very small microscopic chance) as a QB for the future is Cousins.

What are u talking about? He didn't even have garbage time stats.. and we were within winning all game. The fumble by Niles set it off... But he didn't have a padded ending, nor did I ever say he was anything other then an efficient game manager ala Kirk vs St Louis.

Griffin is far from perfect, and has his share of deficiencies, never have argued he doesn't. The hyp this summer pointed to improved mechanics, and I had hoped to see him healthy behind an improved line w a better TEAM. I didn't see enough doodoo in the preseason to write him off like the anti-Griff crowd, but conversely have seen enough of the Kirk show after three full REAL games.

What's the issue? Kirk is starting and sinking as you want. I've enough of the same, like I imagine you feel with Robert. Just because Im on the other side of the line doesn't mean I'm wrong, or have to let go of anything.

As much as people downplay 2012, there was REAL talent shown there- and I think the story isn't finished. I'll gladly admit to being wrong if he hangs them up after never producing again; cool?

SM86 --- I think the game you are referring to was the Philly game back in 2013..... He considered the garabage time stats as them not playing prevent D..... http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39678&start=30

He just thought RGIII played well in the HOU game last year outright: http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40370&p=638454#p638454.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....