RGIII to 2nd String??

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

What makes ANYONE think Kirk CAN "read" a D? Like when he hits the wide open MLB?? OR when he misses Reed running free multiple times a game?

Done.

Wow. Since you are so OBJECTIVE, I thought you'd be on here saying that the 2nd INT was tipped and the MLB INT was a disquised coverage or something....... Or that much of the 316 yards he passed for against NYG wasn't in garbage time but in fact the game was close and not out of reach......

I'm surprised that you are done with Cousins after 2 bad games while you want to give RGIII 3 seasons......

Cousins honestly has issues reading a DEF, no question. He is a game manager at best. He has a weak arm (which to anyone that understands the game isn't weak enough to be an issue). He is bad after a third progression read. He is wildly inconsistent. There is more, but I think you get the drift.

At the end of the day, he doesn't appear to be our answer at QB moving forward (although it may be wise to give him 8 game before we determine that) ---- but he is our BEST option on the current roster.

I understand your agenda, but putting down Cousins doesn't make RGIII any better than his 40.4 QBR post-2012.

Funny you always put words into my mouth.

Kirk is a turn over machine, never wasn't.

To that point RG at LEAST gave us record setting performances, and a playoff birth. He also had a PERFECT game as a rookie, tell me that's all on his healthy knee?


Now , although I'm a Griff supporter, I never said anything to start him.. just pointed out Kirks WEAK arm, lack of touch, and piss poor reads. The 2nd int he gets all the blame, the receiver was covered like a blanket!! Like many throws he made that night... Unlike the throws he missed , Jordan running free in the damned end zone TWICE.

I think we know what we have in him, pouty faced after a bad play and forced balls that should never be thrown. Robert on the other hand was impressing people (opposing players including) in camp... And deemed to have improved on HIS weaknesses.


That considering, I still didn't call for him. I feel that if he hasn't turned a corner then we MUST go with Colt. Atm he MUST give us the best chance to win... He is gritty and a lot more safe with the ball then Kirk.

Thursday's game was a total embarrassment man... That sucked the big one

[EA7649]

What makes ANYONE think Kirk CAN "read" a D? Like when he hits the wide open MLB?? OR when he misses Reed running free multiple times a game?

Done.

Wow. Since you are so OBJECTIVE, I thought you'd be on here saying that the 2nd INT was tipped and the MLB INT was a disquised coverage or something....... Or that much of the 316 yards he passed for against NYG wasn't in garbage time but in fact the game was close and not out of reach......

I'm surprised that you are done with Cousins after 2 bad games while you want to give RGIII 3 seasons......

Cousins honestly has issues reading a DEF, no question. He is a game manager at best. He has a weak arm (which to anyone that understands the game isn't weak enough to be an issue). He is bad after a third progression read. He is wildly inconsistent. There is more, but I think you get the drift.

At the end of the day, he doesn't appear to be our answer at QB moving forward (although it may be wise to give him 8 game before we determine that) ---- but he is our BEST option on the current roster.

I understand your agenda, but putting down Cousins doesn't make RGIII any better than his 40.4 QBR post-2012.

Funny you always put words into my mouth.

Kirk is a turn over machine, never wasn't.

To that point RG at LEAST gave us record setting performances, and a playoff birth. He also had a PERFECT game as a rookie, tell me that's all on his healthy knee?


Now , although I'm a Griff supporter, I never said anything to start him.. just pointed out Kirks WEAK arm, lack of touch, and piss poor reads. The 2nd int he gets all the blame, the receiver was covered like a blanket!! Like many throws he made that night... Unlike the throws he missed , Jordan running free in the damned end zone TWICE.

I think we know what we have in him, pouty faced after a bad play and forced balls that should never be thrown. Robert on the other hand was impressing people (opposing players including) in camp... And deemed to have improved on HIS weaknesses.


That considering, I still didn't call for him. I feel that if he hasn't turned a corner then we MUST go with Colt. Atm he MUST give us the best chance to win... He is gritty and a lot more safe with the ball then Kirk.

Thursday's game was a total embarrassment man... That sucked the big one

PLAY Nice men!
Kirk sucks his play (putting it nicely he's not a productive starter only being an inconsistent game manager) and his confidence not leading to wins and playing behind. I'm going to have a headache hearing about Kirk non-sense, Gruden stubbornness to stick with Kirk, some fans wanting Kirk to play some not. I decided to TRY not to comment on statuses about Kirk for the rest of the season Some shouting RG3! I think Colt and Robert give a better chance to win. Probably best bet is Colt, but I was looking forward to seeing how Robert plays but oh well. More than likely the starting qb of next year isn't on this roster. Either FA or draft.

[markshark84]

Wow. Since you are so OBJECTIVE, I thought you'd be on here saying that the 2nd INT was tipped and the MLB INT was a disquised coverage or something....... Or that much of the 316 yards he passed for against NYG wasn't in garbage time but in fact the game was close and not out of reach......

I'm surprised that you are done with Cousins after 2 bad games while you want to give RGIII 3 seasons......

Cousins honestly has issues reading a DEF, no question. He is a game manager at best. He has a weak arm (which to anyone that understands the game isn't weak enough to be an issue). He is bad after a third progression read. He is wildly inconsistent. There is more, but I think you get the drift.

At the end of the day, he doesn't appear to be our answer at QB moving forward (although it may be wise to give him 8 game before we determine that) ---- but he is our BEST option on the current roster.

I understand your agenda, but putting down Cousins doesn't make RGIII any better than his 40.4 QBR post-2012.

Funny you always put words into my mouth.

Kirk is a turn over machine, never wasn't.

To that point RG at LEAST gave us record setting performances, and a playoff birth. He also had a PERFECT game as a rookie, tell me that's all on his healthy knee?

Now , although I'm a Griff supporter, I never said anything to start him.. just pointed out Kirks WEAK arm, lack of touch, and piss poor reads. The 2nd int he gets all the blame, the receiver was covered like a blanket!! Like many throws he made that night... Unlike the throws he missed , Jordan running free in the damned end zone TWICE.

I think we know what we have in him, pouty faced after a bad play and forced balls that should never be thrown. Robert on the other hand was impressing people (opposing players including) in camp... And deemed to have improved on HIS weaknesses.

That considering, I still didn't call for him. I feel that if he hasn't turned a corner then we MUST go with Colt. Atm he MUST give us the best chance to win... He is gritty and a lot more safe with the ball then Kirk.

Thursday's game was a total embarrassment man... That sucked the big one

Not sure how I am putting words in your mouth, especially when you agree with them but are still upset.....

Regardless, I just find it odd that you are affording such patience (i.e., 2+ seasons of horrendous play) to a QB that has been statistically one of the worst in the league for 2 years on top of being injury prone --- while to his replacement you are giving him 3 games after being named permanent starter...... For example, after RGIII's performance against DAL last year (which was statistically WORSE (using QBR) than Cousins game last thursday), you stressed tolerance for his poor play:
http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40575&p=646096#p646096
This is after 21 games as starter. Cousins gets 3 and you are ready to move on.

On top of this, you continue to bring up completely irrelevant things that happend 3 years ago while putting down his competition in an attempt to divert people from actually focusing on what RGIII brings to the table (which is understandable because he has shown he doesn't bring anything to the table since January 2012). A nice tactic used by our greatest politicians..... In football years, those "record setting performances" were LIFETIMES ago. Back in 2012 Doug Martin was a top 5 RB and Welker & Andre Johnson would have been considered the best WR combo in the league. Freeman also had a good year in 2012, should we look to sign him? LOL --- one of my good buddies was still in the NFL in 2012..... now he's a salesman.

I just can't understand how you think we know for certain what we have in Cousins after 3 games as starter, working with the starters ---- but we don't with a QB that played 2 horrible seasons (post injury) in a freakishly consistent manner? Where is the logic?

My logic is sound. My position is to give him 8 games, then evaluate. I held this same position with RGIII post-2012 injury and will do the exact same with Cousins --- in fact, I actually was willing to give RGIII 12 games due to his production in the prior season.....
http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39778
Trust me, I am not sold on Cousins in ANY respect. AT ALL. I think he has a great deal of deficiencies in his game, but am not willing to write him off this early in the game.

I honestly just have an issue with your bias. And because of that, I don't think your arguements warrant credibility as they relate to RGIII or Cousins. The fact you are butt hurt over the entire situation is clouding your judgement.

[markshark84]

PLAY Nice men!
Kirk sucks his play (putting it nicely he's not a productive starter only being an inconsistent game manager) and his confidence not leading to wins and playing behind. I'm going to have a headache hearing about Kirk non-sense, Gruden stubbornness to stick with Kirk, some fans wanting Kirk to play some not. I decided to TRY not to comment on statuses about Kirk for the rest of the season Some shouting RG3! I think Colt and Robert give a better chance to win. Probably best bet is Colt, but I was looking forward to seeing how Robert plays but oh well. More than likely the starting qb of next year isn't on this roster. Either FA or draft.

LOL. Cowboykillerz and I have a history of banter. I don't take what he says personally and I hope he doesn't either.

As far as the starter, I think our starter next year is on this roster unless something crazy happens like a quality NFL QB becomes disgruntled or we lose the rest of our games and a college QB emerges.

I still believe Kirk gives us the best chance but it has only been 3 games. I think we'll have a better picture by the bye. He has a lot of issues to deal with though....

That being said, I would LOVE to see how RGIII rebounds next season after sitting on the bench and being humbled. Could this give him the drive he needs or will he be gone by then?

[SkinsJock]

I don't think that Bob's issues have anything to do with his athletic ability or his desire to play well - he simply needs to be able to read defenses before the snap and after the snap he's got to do a much better job of recognizing what receivers are open, and do all of that very quickly
I'm not sure that it's just a matter of time to be able to do that better, but I hope so

Hopefully he's learning how to do that - I also hope that he does not get back on the field unless he clearly demonstrates that he is a better QB

[EA7649]

PLAY Nice men!
Kirk sucks his play (putting it nicely he's not a productive starter only being an inconsistent game manager) and his confidence not leading to wins and playing behind. I'm going to have a headache hearing about Kirk non-sense, Gruden stubbornness to stick with Kirk, some fans wanting Kirk to play some not. I decided to TRY not to comment on statuses about Kirk for the rest of the season Some shouting RG3! I think Colt and Robert give a better chance to win. Probably best bet is Colt, but I was looking forward to seeing how Robert plays but oh well. More than likely the starting qb of next year isn't on this roster. Either FA or draft.

LOL. Cowboykillerz and I have a history of banter. I don't take what he says personally and I hope he doesn't either.

As far as the starter, I think our starter next year is on this roster unless something crazy happens like a quality NFL QB becomes disgruntled or we lose the rest of our games and a college QB emerges.

I still believe Kirk gives us the best chance but it has only been 3 games. I think we'll have a better picture by the bye. He has a lot of issues to deal with though....

That being said, I would LOVE to see how RGIII rebounds next season after sitting on the bench and being humbled. Could this give him the drive he needs or will he be gone by then?

Oh I commented my opinion a few pages prior re-looked at the topic and thought wow this is still going on! Just tried to lighten the mood with some humor. I have 2 questions for you though. Why do you only say Kirk had 3 games to show his worth? Are you erasing the past few seasons with his chances in particular last season when he lost his job to Colt then Robert. It seems people don't want to include that in his resume. And what makes you think Robert will start next season? Is that for a different team, bc at this rate I dont think he will have an offer to stay on the team

[PulpExposure]

In 2016 the Skins will choose between paying Griffin 16M or cutting him. I hope there isn't middle option where he stays for far less because I so want him gone. I am so tired of hearing about this grossly under talented bust and his idiotic fan boys pining for him. Epic bust.

While I sincerely hope that RG3 never sees the field again for the Redskins this year, and is cut before next year, he hasn't been an epic bust. He had a fantastic year in 2012, so it's not an epic bust the likes of Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, or Ryan Leaf, who never even had that.

I'm done with RG3. I'm also done with Cousins, because I think his fundamental flaw of throwing into coverage under pressure is not correctable. Being a turnover machine is not a winning recipe for QB play in the NFL. But he's our Qb for this year, because otherwise its McCoy and uh...yeah.

All done. Next year hopefully we can get even just an NFL average player at QB.

[langleyparkjoe]

so it's not an epic bust the likes of Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, or Ryan Leaf

Now those guys, oh my goodness.... that's really all there is to say.

Also, I agree with you 100% brother

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Let's let someone who's covered the team since 1978 address this thread:

There are a lot of variables in the quarterbacks situation, rendering any prediction on if a change would be made from a healthy Cousins to Griffin is at best a guess. But let’s see if we can plough through some of the factors that Jay Gruden would have to consider.

First, I’m not so sure it’s fair to say that Cousins is “playing poorly”. He is more in the middle of the pack in most statistical categories. Sure, he has throw four interceptions, more than Jay Gruden would like. But eight quarterbacks, a fourth of the starters in the league, have thrown four or more picks this year.

But for our purposes here where he stands in comparison to the rest of the league is not as important as where he stands on the team. Could Griffin protect the ball better? To isolate one game, Cousins has received a great deal of criticism for throwing those two interceptions against the Giants. But he was forced to throw 49 passes. Griffin has thrown 49 or more times in a game twice. He was picked off twice in one of them and once in the other.

The disappointing game in the Meadowlands was just one game. Let’s look at the Dolphins game, when things were going better than they were against New York. Cousins was intercepted twice in 31 pass attempts. Griffin has attempted between 30 and 32 passes five times in his career. He threw five interceptions in those games including a pair or two-interception games. So Griffin is capable of having a similarly disappointing outing if he throws a similar number of attempts.

Setting aside the turnovers and expanding the view to career numbers, Griffin is slightly more accurate than Cousins (career completion percentage 63.9 Griffin, 61.1 Cousins) and he has a somewhat higher average yards per attempt (Griffin 7.6, Cousins 7.3). But Griffin gets sacked far more often (Griffin 8.7% of dropbacks, Cousins 3.7%), negating any advantage that Griffin has when passing. When you factor in yards lost on sacks, the offense gains an average of 6.3 yards every time Griffin drops back to pass compared to 6.7 for Cousins.

So, at the moment, there really is no evidence that Griffin would necessarily produce better than Cousins if he was in at quarterback under the same circumstances. But, with a few more games like the one against the Giants, where Cousins not only had the interceptions but also missed open receivers (notably Jordan Reed twice in the end zone), Gruden could feel the need to make a QB switch.

But would the change be to Griffin? Let’s say the Redskins stumble to 1-5 under Cousins and are out of any realistic playoff contention. What would there be to gain by risking the $16 million option guarantee if Griffin was to get injured badly enough to be unable to pass a physical in March of next year?

I think that if the season is lost and a quarterback change is made, the player under center would be Colt McCoy. Not because he’s the second best quarterback on the team—he’s not, he’s third by a clear margin—but because the risk of using Griffin, given his high sack rate, is greater than the reward.

Have we necessarily seen the last of Griffin? No, there could be some scenarios where an injury while the Redskins are still in playoff contention could open the door for one more chance for RG3. And, as I noted at the top of the post here, there are a lot of variables in play and an organization that can be unpredictable in its action. So while logic says that the RG3 era is over in DC, the reality could be a different outcome.

http://realredskins.com/2015/09/30/need ... situation/

[SkinsJock]

first of all - there's no logic at all to what's happening here as far as the QBs go ...

secondly - comparing how many interceptions Cousins has thrown with other QBs is BS - who cares - compare his INTs with guys who are known to do this and we have a 'fair' comparison ...
FACT IS: until Cousins proves he's not a turnover machine he is one - the Redskins are hopeless until they prove they are not - Griffin is hopeless until he proves he can play ... etc.

lastly there's this "So while logic says that the RG3 era is over in DC, the reality could be a different outcome." - EXACTLY

why the hell is this QB that we cannot risk putting on the field - who absolutely is not capable of playing QB anyway, still here? I'm waiting

this whole QB situation here makes me want to

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

first of all - there's no logic at all to what's happening here as far as the QBs go ...

Kirk is the best quarterback option the team has and the numbers bear that out. That's the logic. Kirk is making $778K this season and won't cost the team anywhere near $16M to sign if he shows any semblance of ability. The logic there is about $15M in cap space the team won't have if it keeps RGIII by choice or by force (Injury Guarantee). Knowing the team has a limited ceiling this season which is, realistically, well short of playoff aspirations, the logic is to see if the only quarterback who might be worth keeping is, in fact, worth keeping.

By the way, Colt practiced today. RGIII is still 3rd on the depth chart.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

26 ints on less then half the attempts of rgiii is NOT reading the D any better...

I watched this same show last year, ended with Kirk Grossman in street clothes.

My biggest gripe is we give Kirk 8 games but rgiii 2 fake games? Or does 2012 not count for Rob but does for Kirk, then we base all of our info on the comeback year in a broken system? Ok. What Eva.

Maybe we should snag Pryor if we are that far gone at qb?

[DarthMonk]

What does under throwing an open guy have to do with reading a D? Seems like a good call and read - just a bad throw - and not due to a weak arm - just a simple under throw which, of course, is bad.

First pick was really on the WR - horrible route. 2nd was all on Kirk.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

What does under throwing an open guy have to do with reading a D? Seems like a good call and read - just a bad throw - and not due to a weak arm - just a simple under throw which, of course, is bad.

First pick was really on the WR - horrible route. 2nd was all on Kirk.

Underthrowing is either a mechanical issue or a timing issue or both. We've seen Kirk throw the ball over 50 yards so arm strength is definitely not the issue on those throws. He's only been sacked four times this season, so without even looking at the film I'm going to assume he had a clean pocket on those attempts. The vast majority of his passes are timing plays so the conclusion I reach is that he's simply counting off the mental clock in his head and making the throws, expecting the receiver to be "on the spot", without actually even looking at the defensive coverage. I've only actually seen him staring down a receiver once out of those interceptions and that was on a broken play.

[StorminMormon86]

26 ints on less then half the attempts of rgiii is NOT reading the D any better...

I watched this same show last year, ended with Kirk Grossman in street clothes.

My biggest gripe is we give Kirk 8 games but rgiii 2 fake games? Or does 2012 not count for Rob but does for Kirk, then we base all of our info on the comeback year in a broken system? Ok. What Eva.

Maybe we should snag Pryor if we are that far gone at qb?

No. Griffin was given 30+ games.

This isn't even debatable at this point. Cousins is the best QB on this roster.

[StorminMormon86]

And no, Griffin will not be moved to 2nd string. McCoy practiced yesterday.

[SkinsJock]

.. Griffin will not be moved to 2nd string. McCoy practiced yesterday.

that's a relief - I certainly hope that Griffin is not needed to play QB for at least another month ... I don't think he's ready .... yet

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

26 ints on less then half the attempts of rgiii is NOT reading the D any better...

I watched this same show last year, ended with Kirk Grossman in street clothes.

My biggest gripe is we give Kirk 8 games but rgiii 2 fake games? Or does 2012 not count for Rob but does for Kirk, then we base all of our info on the comeback year in a broken system? Ok. What Eva.

Maybe we should snag Pryor if we are that far gone at qb?

Which argument are you making here? The interceptions argument is bunk. Luck has 7. Fitzpatrick and Stafford have 5. Bradford, Flacco, Kaepernick, and Rivers also have 4, along with Cousins. Right behind them is Peyton Manning and several others with 3. Luck has started 51 games. Fitzpatrick has started 100 games. Stafford has started 80 games. Bradford has started 52 games. Flacco has started 115. Kaepernick has started 51. Rivers has started 151. Cousins has started 17. In other words, the next least experienced QB on this list next to Cousins has over two full seasons worth of starts on him.

The interception argument is complete crap. Oh, and for the record, Cousins QBR is virtually tied for 2nd with Flacco among these players, only behind Rivers' ridiculous 100.5.

[markshark84]

26 ints on less then half the attempts of rgiii is NOT reading the D any better...

I watched this same show last year, ended with Kirk Grossman in street clothes.

My biggest gripe is we give Kirk 8 games but rgiii 2 fake games? Or does 2012 not count for Rob but does for Kirk, then we base all of our info on the comeback year in a broken system? Ok. What Eva.

Maybe we should snag Pryor if we are that far gone at qb?

This is your response???????????? Disappointing. I see you didn't attach my post...... Do you not like the fact I am consistent? Did it surprise you? Like I said --- I call them like I see them. I am not biased.

WTF are you getting 2 fake games as his only "opportunity"????????? What planet are you on right now? Since 2012, RGIII has had 21 games (out of a possible 32) as a starter in the past 2 years; he missed an additional 7 due to injury. So -- in the past 2 seasons, RGIII hasn't played in a total of 5 games he was eligible for. He has also had 2 FULL offseasons to work as the starter. I am all for giving people chances, but RGIII has gotten his opportunities; in fact, he has gotten more than almost anyone else I can remember based on his production --- to say otherwise is just ridiculous. Do you not understand this? Come on -- I know you're better than that.

And the 2013 offense was a "broken system". WTF???? Kyle Shanahan is one of the BEST OCs in the NFL --- and IMHO, the absolute BEST. Kyle was and could have been the best thing to happen to RGIII but RGIII's ego got in the way --- he and Danny boy ran the best coach this franchise has had since Joe Gibbs out of town. Broken system??? Where do you come up with these things???

And any post by cowboykillerz wouldn't be complete without a 2012 reference. Instead of responding for the 100th time in a different way in hopes you'll see it, I will refrain from repeating myself (although you tend to do it --- since you repeat your first statement above a second time within the SAME thread) and just say "see my response above".

Oh and 2012 does NOT count for Kirk either. And why should it? If you think about it (and based on your second statement) -- the coaches didn't even think 2013 was that relevant....

Finally, INTs doesn't mean you can't read a D. As YOU stated before, you were more concerned with the fact Kirk missed receivers. That is a bigger issue when it comes to ones ability to read DEFs over merely INTs. I agree with that thought process.

[SkinsJock]

let's stop counting interceptions by QBs that don't have a reputation for turning the ball over like Cousins does - It's OK - Cousins is by far, the best option at QB for the Redskins at this time - he may or may not learn to stop turning the ball over, but, at this time, he still has this reputation - no big deal - he should continue to be the starting QB because right now, we don't have another option

If Cousins is replaced soon because he cannot stop turning the ball over, they need to go to McCoy until Griffin is ready - btw - if Griffin never plays another down, that's OK - just don't play a QB that cannot stop turning the ball over

just love this dialogue ...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

:yawn:

My point is we judge rgiii only for the long since passed.. and cousins on a mediocre game manager game 2 this year? All his doodoo from last year is irrelevant? He looked lost vs nyg both games- and the garbage time stats don't impress me one bit. If the run game isn't killing the opposition, Kirk gives us little chance to win. The time he is getting in the pocket shows me some one half way decent can win now. Is he on the roster? I just don't know. Kirk is the same as he always has been

[StorminMormon86]

:yawn:

My point is we judge rgiii only for the long since passed.. and cousins on a mediocre game manager game 2 this year? All his doodoo from last year is irrelevant? He looked lost vs nyg both games- and the garbage time stats don't impress me one bit. If the run game isn't killing the opposition, Kirk gives us little chance to win. The time he is getting in the pocket shows me some one half way decent can win now. Is he on the roster? I just don't know. Kirk is the same as he always has been

And Griffin's doodoo for the past 2 years is irrelevant? 2013 didn't happen? 2014?

And garbage time stats don't impress you? Wasn't it you who made such a big deal about Griffin's "good" performance against Houston last year, coincidentally padding his stats during "garbage time"? Let it go man. The only hope we have left (and I'll be the first to admit it's a very small microscopic chance) as a QB for the future is Cousins.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

What are u talking about? He didn't even have garbage time stats.. and we were within winning all game. The fumble by Niles set it off... But he didn't have a padded ending, nor did I ever say he was anything other then an efficient game manager ala Kirk vs St Louis.

Griffin is far from perfect, and has his share of deficiencies, never have argued he doesn't. The hyp this summer pointed to improved mechanics, and I had hoped to see him healthy behind an improved line w a better TEAM. I didn't see enough doodoo in the preseason to write him off like the anti-Griff crowd, but conversely have seen enough of the Kirk show after three full REAL games.

What's the issue? Kirk is starting and sinking as you want. I've enough of the same, like I imagine you feel with Robert. Just because Im on the other side of the line doesn't mean I'm wrong, or have to let go of anything.

As much as people downplay 2012, there was REAL talent shown there- and I think the story isn't finished. I'll gladly admit to being wrong if he hangs them up after never producing again; cool?

[SkinsJock]

Cousins needs to take a big step in the right direction - here's the deal - In 5 career games against the NFC East, Kirk Cousins has thrown 6 TDs, 10 INTs, completed just 55 percent of his passes and produced a quarterback rating of 64.6, Last week was not a good outing in NY
Cousins really needs to step it up this week at home, it's a huge opportunity to show that he's got the ability to help this offense

I have not given up on Griffin but I doubt that he's ready to play better yet .... I agree that it's a long shot but it also would be a huge plus

[riggofan]

As much as people downplay 2012, there was REAL talent shown there- and I think the story isn't finished.

I prefer Cousins as the starter right now, but I still kind of agree with your statement about Griffin. I've never bought into the extreme negatives about Griffin, like he's incapable of playing. Like you wrote, 2012 wasn't only about Kyle's magical offense.

I think its unlikely that RGIII will be the QB that this team needs. Not because he's so horrible, but this team just has so many all around weaknesses. It was a tall order to bring in a possible franchise QB who needed significant time to develop, then give away however many first round picks that we badly needed, and THEN get hit with that salary cap penalty on top of it. Throw in the badly timed coaching change, Dan Snyder, weak drafting and the usual Skins drama. That's just a lot for any QB to overcome, much less one with Robert's skill set and deficiencies.

I recognize Cousins' problems, but I think he's the one most likely to be "OK" enough for the next year or so at least to allow the team time to rebuild with some type of sane plan - if that's what Scot is allowed to do. Not great, not abysmal. Just be decent this year so that we can get our act together finally. Too much to ask?