Grab A Snickers - RGIII Is Not Going Anywhere For A While

[OldSchool]

How do you fake an EEG?

Is that the test? I really have no idea if a concussion test is an EEG or if it is a series of questions and other things. I haven't been following the news has it been reported an EEG test is the metric?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

How do you fake an EEG?

Is that the test? I really have no idea if a concussion test is an EEG or if it is a series of questions and other things. I haven't been following the news has it been reported an EEG test is the metric?

Normally it's a CT. And several other tests.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond ... n-20019272

[Countertrey]

It is actually a combination of a neurological assessment (by a licensed neurologist), including mental and physical tests, that challenge memory, problem solving, coordination, visual acuity, and other items. An EEG, a CT, even an MRI are of little use in assessing concussion... if they show injury, you likely have more going on than a concussion...

You cannot fake the response, as each player takes a "baseline" examination when they are uninjured. The evaluation post injury is compared with the baseline... There is still some "art" involved, but nystagmus is nystagmus... and you can't pretend you don't have it... If your balance is impaired, you can't fake good balance standing on one foot. If you can't solve a logic problem, then you just can't fake it.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It is actually a combination of a neurological assessment (by a licensed neurologist), including mental and physical tests, that challenge memory, problem solving, coordination, visual acuity, and other items. An EEG, a CT, even an MRI are of little use in assessing concussion... if they show injury, you likely have more going on than a concussion...

You cannot fake the response, as each player takes a "baseline" examination when they are uninjured. The evaluation post injury is compared with the baseline... There is still some "art" involved, but nystagmus is nystagmus... and you can't pretend you don't have it... If your balance is impaired, you can't fake good balance standing on one foot. If you can't solve a logic problem, then you just can't fake it.

That makes sense. It seems like the most any CT or MRI would tell anyone is if there is a visible brain contusion. It sounds like you spent some time in the medical field.

[SkinsJock]

I certainly hope that the Griffins are not spending large amounts of that $16M that OldSchool is guaranteeing he's going to collect soon ...

[PulpExposure]

You guys need to be more optimistic. So says Mike.

Now that Kirk Cousins has been named the starting quarterback, Shanahan thinks a good season is coming.

“Washington will be much better than people think they will,” Shanahan said.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... et-passer/

I want to punch Mike Shanahan in the face, and every time a self-serving smarmy quote from him comes up, I'm reminded of that fact.

What a freaking weasel.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I want to punch Mike Shanahan in the face, and every time a self-serving smarmy quote from him comes up, I'm reminded of that fact.

What a freaking weasel.

Couldn't agree more. I thought he was an overrated, self-righteous, pompous, arrogant, egotistical, condescending prick when he was the Broncos head coach and was physically ill when he was hired. Nothing about his tenure with the Skins did anything to change my stance. Shanahan is proof not every coaching apple falls close to the tree. Bill Walsh must be rolling over in his grave to be mentioned in the same breath with that jackass.

[markshark84]

I want to punch Mike Shanahan in the face, and every time a self-serving smarmy quote from him comes up, I'm reminded of that fact.

What a freaking weasel.

Couldn't agree more. I thought he was an overrated, self-righteous, pompous, arrogant, egotistical, condescending prick when he was the Broncos head coach and was physically ill when he was hired. Nothing about his tenure with the Skins did anything to change my stance. Shanahan is proof not every coaching apple falls close to the tree. Bill Walsh must be rolling over in his grave to be mentioned in the same breath with that jackass.

100% agree the dude is an arrogant prick. He should keep him mouth shut. I think it's a desperate attempt to save face and get into the HOF.

That being said, he was right. Kyle made an offense for RGIII that worked. He got injured because his body couldn't take the punishment of the offense. He and Danny then proclaimed RGIII as a pocket passer, to which Shanahan disagreed. Kyle revamped the offense to suit what the owner and start QB wanted. Shanahan was correct in that it didn't work. Shanahan wanted to start Cousins; he was told by the owner and star QB no. Based on games played, our 2011 and 2012 drafts were the most successful in Danny tenure as owner (which isn't saying much). He was then fired.

You can hate him all you want, but you can't say he wasn't wrong. Shanahan is no Bill Walsh. That is a proven fact. Then again, none of Walsh's incredibly impressive disciples were. I don't think many think of Shanahan when they think of Walsh, though.

[StorminMormon86]

This has been repeated over and over again by multiple people. I'm not absolving Shanahan from blame in this mess, but I haven't heard anyone dispute the fact that Griffin and Snyder essentially ordered Shanahan to change the offense from 2012 to 2013. The results are even further proof that this is true.

[SkinsJock]

This has been repeated over and over again by multiple people. I'm not absolving Shanahan from blame in this mess, but I haven't heard anyone dispute the fact that Griffin and Snyder essentially ordered Shanahan to change the offense from 2012 to 2013. The results are even further proof that this is true.

if it's a fact then there's proof - please share this proof with us

[riggofan]

This has been repeated over and over again by multiple people. I'm not absolving Shanahan from blame in this mess, but I haven't heard anyone dispute the fact that Griffin and Snyder essentially ordered Shanahan to change the offense from 2012 to 2013. The results are even further proof that this is true.

if it's a fact then there's proof - please share this proof with us

I don't really get your point of view on that topic, SJ. You're one of the most outspoken people when it comes to Snyder. You're not able to believe this story of what happened between 2012/2013?

Griffin went on a magic red carpet tour with Snyder to a variety of festivities. According to Shanahan, Griffin then came home and demanded a meeting with the offensive coaches in which he stood before a board and began listing the read-option plays he refused to run, calling them “totally unacceptable” and employing other language Shanahan believed to be straight out of the owner’s mouth.

Shanahan confronted Snyder, which began the unraveling of the coach-owner relationship and the quarterback-coach relationship as well. Chunks of the playbook had to be torn up because Griffin wouldn’t run it. Griffin was absolutely convinced he was a finished drop-back quarterback, when in fact he was — and remains — years away from mastering the position. “That’s the reason we went in a different direction,” Shanahan told me by phone. “He said he wanted changes in protections; all these plays were unacceptable. He was convinced he was a drop-back quarterback. I said, ‘You can be, but it’s going to take time. You’ve never done it.’ ”

I get that Shanahan isn't totally trustworthy, but nothing in that story strikes me as hard to believe. It explains a lot about why things turned bad so quickly between Shanny and Snyder. I also would think at least one coach or teammate from that time would have come out to say if it wasn't true. And most importantly: How many of the 2012 read option plays did we run in 2013?

[SkinsJock]

there are certain posters here that will embellish and exaggerate - if it's not a fact don't try and make it one

the Shanahan fiasco is over and there were a lot of mistakes made by everyone involved - I doubt we ever find out what really went down

I do remember thinking it was great to finally have a HC that would be in charge of everything to do with the product on the field ... what a waste of time that all was

[markshark84]

the Shanahan fiasco is over and there were a lot of mistakes made by everyone involved - I doubt we ever find out what really went down

I think we already know what when down. The evidence was littered all over the field in 2013. It doesn't always take a sworn statement to figure out the truth.

I do remember thinking it was great to finally have a HC that would be in charge of everything to do with the product on the field ... what a waste of time that all was

I remember that also. You were the biggest Shanahan and Danny fan on this board. You made some pretty authoritative statements and wouldn't listen to reason when proven otherwise. It's good to hear you have seen the light.

[OldSchool]

I don't understand why anyone bothers to dispute the history here. The Shanny's dummied down the offense and incorporated a high school/college offense to suit Griffin's limited skill set in 2012. When it was obvious Griffin got hurt he insisted on finishing the Seahawks game and got hurt seriously.

The following season they began to use Griffin in the pocket. It didn't work in 2013, 2014 or 2015 because Griffin couldn't function much less master the basics of NFL style QB play. I think it should be abundantly clear to all Griffin doesn't think fast enough. McCoy and Cousins relative success making the Shanny or Gruden pocket offense provided clear and unmistakable evidence of Griffin's deficiencies. Clearly both Shanny and Gruden were forced to play Griffin. No serious person can dispute these coaches were forced to play Griffin and that Griffin failed miserably.

Another thing that I think no serious person can question is that the Skins OL has not been able to effectively power run block and that the Skins pass defense has be seriously deficit for several years. They could run in the read option but not traditional pro power.

It is open to question whether either Cousins or McCoy are good enough to be successful NFL starters on a balance NFL team but neither one of them have ever had a balanced team to lead. Until we see the Skins OL open rushing holes and provide decent pass defense the Skins should be considered an unbalanced team. Maybe a Payton Manning level QB could've carried the Skins but not McCoy or Cousins. At this point all we know is the pass protection is adequate for McCoy and Cousins because they understand how to operate an NFL offense.

At this point these should be settled questions. We are not going to see a ton of sacks from Cousins Sunday but will we see an effective rushing attack, decent pass defense and competent special teams play? All open questions that hopefully get answered in the affirmative Sunday. If the 2015 Skins are no better than the 2013 and 2014 Skins rushing the football and defending the pass the Dophins will win.

[SkinsJock]

I don't think that anyone here is under any illusion about what has happened here during Dan Snyders' tenure - there are a hundred 'stories' and versions of what has gone down - this is a fan site and most of us are just thoroughly disappointed

I could care less about what is true or not - just don't try and make your 'case' by saying somethings a fact when it is not, is all ...


some of us are still not convinced that Griffin should be just cut or let go

some of us think that Cousins can play a lot better than we've seen

we're about to go down that road ....

[SkinsJock]

This season is just a prep for the future - I don't think that Cousins is going to be playing here in 2016 but he has earned the right to be the starting QB at this time - I also think it's better for the other players to play alongside the best players available at any position

I just don't think that we've seen Griffin play as well as he's capable of - not just from what we saw in 2012 - he's not lost a lot of speed, he definitely needs a lot of help and I think that they're doing the right thing in holding onto him for now

I am a little pissed that it seems like Snyder & Allen are influencing that call - Snyder needs to stay away from this stuff

I trust Scot and if he thinks we should keep this HC or any of the players we have, that's OK with me

[DEHog]

I am a little pissed that it seems like Snyder & Allen are influencing that call - Snyder needs to stay away from this stuff

You wanted proof that Snyder was interfering with Shananhan but you believe Snyder is involved now?? What proof do you have?

[StorminMormon86]

This has been repeated over and over again by multiple people. I'm not absolving Shanahan from blame in this mess, but I haven't heard anyone dispute the fact that Griffin and Snyder essentially ordered Shanahan to change the offense from 2012 to 2013. The results are even further proof that this is true.

if it's a fact then there's proof - please share this proof with us

Geeze, google "Mike Shanahan Dan Snyder Robert Griffin". You'll find lots of goodies.

That is, if you would take your blinders off and stop trying to make every attempt at absolving Griffin from ANY blame in this whole fiasco.

[SkinsJock]

This has been repeated over and over again by multiple people. I'm not absolving Shanahan from blame in this mess, but I haven't heard anyone dispute the fact that Griffin and Snyder essentially ordered Shanahan to change the offense from 2012 to 2013. The results are even further proof that this is true.

if it's a fact then there's proof - please share this proof with us

Geeze, google "Mike Shanahan Dan Snyder Robert Griffin". You'll find lots of goodies.

That is, if you would take your blinders off and stop trying to make every attempt at absolving Griffin from ANY blame in this whole fiasco.

the difference between you and I is simply that I'm looking for what can be done to make this franchise better - you are essentially anti Griffin and a lot of other things here - I like Cousins and Gruden, I just don't think they are a part of this franchise in 2016

I like Snyder - I just wish he'd stop hurting this franchise

I'm not making excuses for Griffin - I'm trying to get him to play at the level he's capable of - that completion rate in 2012 was good - you don't luck into that - especially, when you consider who was playing with him

Griffin might not make it here as our QB but he's got a lot more chance than Cousins at helping this franchise in 2016 and beyond

[riggofan]

Griffin might not make it here as our QB but he's got a lot more chance than Cousins at helping this franchise in 2016 and beyond

I thought you were kind over past the blind faith in Griffin, SJ. This man crush is EPIC!

I'm not going to needle you about it man. There's no right or wrong opinion right now, and we'll find out soon enough.

[Countertrey]

This man crush is EPIC!

... Polyphasic, multidimensional man crush.... Very rare.


Don't ever let go, Jock-o...

[markshark84]

I like Cousins and Gruden, I just don't think they are a part of this franchise in 2016

I like Snyder - I just wish he'd stop hurting this franchise

Things are getting confusing. You "like" Cousins & Gruden but believe they are incapable of winning. And based on your posts if you don't win they should get out.

Then you "like" Danny --- who has run this franchise into the ground. I guess you are just a glutton for punishment.....

I'm not making excuses for Griffin - I'm trying to get him to play at the level he's capable of - that completion rate in 2012 was good - you don't luck into that - especially, when you consider who was playing with him

Griffin might not make it here as our QB but he's got a lot more chance than Cousins at helping this franchise in 2016 and beyond

I'm not sure if you truly understand what was going on during the 2012 season. Do you realize the type of offense he was running and WHY? Do you understand that has been now schemed against forcing it into exstinction? Outside of 2012, what gives you confidence in the guy? I want to give him a year or 2 as our 2/3rd stringer if we can restructure his deal and see how he progresses ---- and I would consider myself far more patient than most.

I also am not sure you understand the mental aspect of a serious injury or coming back too soon. The unfortunate reality is that his career may have very well been lost in that yellow tent against SEA. His pride got in the way and continues to do so.....

[SkinsJock]

... For 5M a year I would yoddle dixie in a tutu everyday if that is what the guy playing me 5M a year wanted me to do and so would you. Gruden put out the company line and did everything he could to try to turn Dan Snyder's sows ear into a pocket passing silk purse but unfortunately it doesn't look like Robert has sufficient spatial intelligence to process fast enough despite all the reps and all the encouragement.

Maybe if he passes the concussion test he'll ge released and a team that runs the read option will pick him up and he can have a fresh start. I think with a 16M contingency contract Griffin is going to have recurring concussion issues until after he gets his 2016 Redskin payday and will not pass it until 2017.

so it looks like you were wrong .... again

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... oncussion/

[Deadskins]

I like Cousins and Gruden, I just don't think they are a part of this franchise in 2016

I like Snyder - I just wish he'd stop hurting this franchise

Things are getting confusing. You "like" Cousins & Gruden but believe they are incapable of winning. And based on your posts if you don't win they should get out.

Then you "like" Danny --- who has run this franchise into the ground. I guess you are just a glutton for punishment.....

I'm not making excuses for Griffin - I'm trying to get him to play at the level he's capable of - that completion rate in 2012 was good - you don't luck into that - especially, when you consider who was playing with him

Griffin might not make it here as our QB but he's got a lot more chance than Cousins at helping this franchise in 2016 and beyond

I'm not sure if you truly understand what was going on during the 2012 season. Do you realize the type of offense he was running and WHY? Do you understand that has been now schemed against forcing it into exstinction? Outside of 2012, what gives you confidence in the guy? I want to give him a year or 2 as our 2/3rd stringer if we can restructure his deal and see how he progresses ---- and I would consider myself far more patient than most.

I also am not sure you understand the mental aspect of a serious injury or coming back too soon. The unfortunate reality is that his career may have very well been lost in that yellow tent against SEA. His pride got in the way and continues to do so.....

[SkinsJock]

There are many parts of Griffin's game that need changing and some that he needs to improve on - he's apparently not lost a step and his arm strength is still there - he can still get the ball deep and in places it belongs - the kid should have had a QB coach from day 1 in the NFL and if the Shanahans had brought him along and changed the thought process early, he might have become a better QB earlier

look - Griffin might not be as good as he should be but he's got more going for him than the other 2 IMHO - Cousins is a nice kid and he's a good backup QB - Gruden is a good coach but not a good HC, at least he has not shown much yet - I like them, they're just not good enough

Snyder is a very difficult owner that lies and mis-leads everyone, even his friends - I don't care about that - he just needs to keep being an ass and leave the Redskins in the hands of Scot and the FO - maybe Allen needs to understand his role better also


I wish that Griffin was a lot better - without him becoming a good QB, we are in a deep hole, that is the only reason I keep grasping at straws - anyone that thinks that Cousins is going to pull a Rich Gannon and make a huge leap is in for a big surprise - that's not happening - the kid does not like the pressure

I do think we have some pieces we can build around but boy oh boy - we need a lot of help all over the place - we have zero depth