Schefter: Redskins brass at odds over ending RGIII era

[ACW]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13546 ... api_public
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[Irn-Bru]

Wow, the reports have been flying. 48 hours ago it was a totally different outlook. Now it looks like McCloughan and Gruden might have RGIII gone before the season even starts.

[OldSchool]

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this story. Griffin hasn't been able to progress and thus far Snyder hasn't been willing to throw in the towel. Of course the new GM and coach want to bail on Griffin, Robert is not their mistake and time invested in Griffin doesn't produce a return and reflects poorly on them. So of course they want Griffin gone for me the real mystery here is why is Snyder thus far unwilling to give up the ghost?

I've been thinking it was just Snyder being stubborn but now I am thinking something else is at work here. Maybe Dan made Griffin some sort of bedside promise when he was hurt that Snyder is struggling to honor. I am giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt and ascribing the best of motives to his part in this empass because it is obvious to everyone including I'm sure Snyder himself that Robert is not close to keeping up with Colt and Kirk and doesn't handle a WCO nearly well enough to warrant a roster spot. Does this motive make sense to anyone else?

[SkinsJock]

Wow, the reports have been flying. 48 hours ago it was a totally different outlook. Now it looks like McCloughan and Gruden might have RGIII gone before the season even starts.

My hopes are that Snyder let's these guys (Bruce, Scot and Jay) manage this franchise

I'd love to see Griffin at QB, but he's not shown enough - it's time to move on and this franchise needs to take the next step

I'll support Cousins but if he continues to turn the ball over I'll be screaming for McCoy

[hanburgerheel]

Adios to the Baylor Wonder Boy. Too bad he can't play college ball for a living.

[SkinsJock]

from what we're hearing ESPN has really screwed up on this ... Scot, Bruce and Jay seem to be on the same page and that's all that matters


haters are going to hate ...

[ACW]

from what we're hearing ESPN has really screwed up on this ... Scot, Bruce and Jay seem to be on the same page and that's all that matters


haters are going to hate ...

Yeah. Which is odd, 'cause Schefty's usually spot-on.

[HEROHAMO]

The media is doing what they always do. THere probably is some truth to this all. However Scotty Mac and ownership will always be keeping in touch. Its only news because of what is going on. Scott and Dan would of had the same discussion regardless of the circumstances.

[HEROHAMO]

We need to be absolutley sure about Robert before we let him go.

I guarantee that if we let him go a team will give him another shot. If that team has a competent head coach like Bellicheck he is going to light it up. We will all be kicking ourselves.


Gruden never liked Griffin. This off season he sent Kirk to work with Jon Gruden. Why wouldnt he send the supposed starting QB in Griffin?

[tribeofjudah]

I said in another post that bob won't be on the 53 man roster this year. Tuesday cuts are coming.

[StorminMormon86]

I just heard on the radio more confirmation from "sources" that these reports about Snyder aren't true. They were just talking about it on 980, and they said that more people have come out in support of the PFT article, saying that Snyder is "hands off" with regards to player personnel and that Gruden has full control on who to start. I think Gruden was kind of mandated to try and make it work with Griffin, but if it didn't, he had the control to make the switch. Time to cut him and end this drama.

[tribeofjudah]

I'll post this here too:

Smartphone radios are great cuz I get to hear ESPN 980 all the way here in Cali.

I agree wholeheartedly with Jason Reid: Kyle Shanny was the BEST thing to happen to Bob3 cuz he gameplanned for his talent and HID his flaws. And as a "thank you" note, Bob ran them (the Shannys) out of town.

Hey Griff, check your EGO and ......................get real...!!!
You deserve what you've got coming.............

[DEHog]

Reports also say that the Skins tried to move Griffin...this may be where the differences occured between the Team and ownership. Maybe Snyder signed off on it as long as we got something for him, but we learned what we already knew...there's not a market for him. He has in effect become Tim Tebow...I see his career going similar moving forward.

[StorminMormon86]

C00ley's on 980 now saying that the Jets could be a potential trade partner for Griffin. If not, they're going to cut him. He said it's obvious or else they would be out saying, "Griffin's still our guy".

[PulpExposure]

Now PFT is reporting saying that Snyder and McCoughlin are on the same page with respect to RG3.

Multiple sources tell PFT that, contrary to a Sunday afternoon report from ESPN, no schism exists between owner Daniel Snyder and the people he has hired to run the football operations regarding the status of quarterback Robert Griffin III.

ESPN claims that the coaching staff and front-official officials want to move on from Griffin, but that they are “meeting resistance” from owner Daniel Snyder. Three different sources have told PFT that this simply isn’t true. (One source called it “spaghetti journalism,” with reports being thrown against the wall at a time when a situation that seems to be disintegrating cries out for more and more efforts to advance the story.)

As one source explained it to PFT, everyone in Washington is on the same page regarding the roles and responsibilities. G.M. Scot McCloughan is in charge of the roster, which soon will be at 53, and coach Jay Gruden decides who will play.

Reports of a two-hour meeting between Snyder and McCloughan may have pushed the needle in the direction of a disagreement between McCloughan/Gruden and Snyder, but a source with knowledge of the situation told PFT that the meeting was focused on sorting out exactly what happened with Griffin being cleared to play after suffering a concussion and then not being cleared to play. That discrepancy fueled the latest spike in perceived dysfunction, but it’s not yet gotten to the point where the guy whose primary job is to sign the checks is getting in the way of the people whose primary jobs are to run the football team.

Our franchise is a dysfunctional wreck, but the dyfunction is magnified by all of these media reports...

[SCSkinsFan]

Well somebody just pulled the switch. BREAKING NEWS: ESPN just reported that Captain Kirk has been named our Game 1 starter. So, where does that leave us now with RGIII?

[StorminMormon86]

Time to live and die with the Kirkster. And the time is now to cut Griffin.

[riggofan]

I swear in the past 72 hours my level of excitement for the coming season has gone from zero to 100.

I still think we're probably a 7-9 team at best this season. I just felt like we were throwing in the towel in week one with this Griffin nonsense. If I had to bet I would say Kirk Cousins is probably the new Gus Frerotte, but I'll take that at this point just so I can enjoy Redskins football for a while this year.

[StorminMormon86]

I swear in the past 72 hours my level of excitement for the coming season has gone from zero to 100.

I still think we're probably a 7-9 team at best this season. I just felt like we were throwing in the towel in week one with this Griffin nonsense. If I had to bet I would say Kirk Cousins is probably the new Gus Frerotte, but I'll take that at this point just so I can enjoy Redskins football for a while this year.

I agree. We'll be competitive in games this year, which has got me excited. I'd settle for 7-9, honestly.

[SkinsJock]

Time to live and die with the Kirkster. And the time is now to cut Griffin.

OK - I agree that Cousins should be the starting QB, at this time - however, are you aware of what the cost is to cut Griffin?

[riggofan]

however, are you aware of what the cost is to cut Griffin?

I think its like $6m? No doubt it would be better to trade him, but hard to imagine that happening. Either way its not prohibitive and its not a longer term cap issue. We're like $8m under the cap right now.

[SkinsJock]

I swear in the past 72 hours my level of excitement for the coming season has gone from zero to 100. I still think we're probably a 7-9 team at best this season. I just felt like we were throwing in the towel in week one with this Griffin nonsense. If I had to bet I would say Kirk Cousins is probably the new Gus Frerotte, but I'll take that at this point just so I can enjoy Redskins football for a while this year.

I'd agree that we're a 6 to 8 win team no matter who is at QB but there was no way that Griffin should be the starting QB in game 1

I think that would have sent a bad message to all the players - these guys have all been busting their tails to 'earn a roster spot' and to see RG3 still not ready for prime time and be the starter in game 1 was not a good thing - what a turn around

thank goodness - somebody finally took the reins and headed this horse in the right direction

[Deadskins]

however, are you aware of what the cost is to cut Griffin?

I think its like $6m? No doubt it would be better to trade him, but hard to imagine that happening. Either way its not prohibitive and its not a longer term cap issue. We're like $8m under the cap right now.

The problem with trading him is finding a partner willing to take on the $16 million option year we picked up.

[SCSkinsFan]

Time to live and die with the Kirkster. And the time is now to cut Griffin.

OK - I agree that Cousins should be the starting QB, at this time - however, are you aware of what the cost is to cut Griffin?

Glad you asked. Per Rich Tandler:

"If Griffin is not on the Redskins’ roster this year the team will be charged the $3.4 million for the prorated bonus no matter how he departs. If he is traded, his new team would assume the $3.3 million salary and that would not count against the cap. If he gets cut, the team would have to pay Griffin the salary even if he is collecting money on a contract from another team.

So that adds up to $3.4 million in dead salary cap charges if Griffin is traded and $6.7 million if he is cut."

[SkinsJock]

however, are you aware of what the cost is to cut Griffin?

I think its like $6m? No doubt it would be better to trade him, but hard to imagine that happening. Either way its not prohibitive and its not a longer term cap issue. We're like $8m under the cap right now.

FYI - Cutting him costs $6.7M ...

I don't think that any team is going to trade for him with all the ramifications involved but ... I don't think they cut him just yet either

they'll make an informed decision - some fans here want to cut him out of spite