Can Gruden, RGIII or both?

[oneman56]

After today's RGIII comments stating "i don't know if I had a concussion, ask the team (paraphrasing)" and " I just work here, man" it's clear to me these two just don't get along and i think that's clear to many of you on this board. I think it's safe to say these two don't like each other and the Skins' PR department is trying to calm the storm with the way these interviews are attempted to be handled but the never ending digs and backhanded comments just keep stoking the fires. If you had your choice, who would you like to get rid of? I think as long as both of these guys are here at the same time this cannot work and one of them has to go and maybe both. Thoughts?

[PulpExposure]

I think they both need to go. Gruden is unprofessional and sloppy, and it's pretty clear that RG3 is done.

[tribeofjudah]

PUMP your brakes dudes............1 more season. Gruden>Griff

[DEHog]

I think Gruden was brought here to coach Griffin...that looks like a failure. So that coupled with a new GM spells trouble for Gruden....I think both are gone. Should have hired Bowles!!!

[redskinz4ever]

# 10 is gone .... i think if we get solid qb play then make a judgement on JG ..... you can't coach the uncoachable refereeing to #10 .... so i will hold off on getting rid of gruden.

[Deadskins]

Why is there no option for neither? Can we not wait to see how the season plays out before firing the HC and cutting the starting QB?

[tribeofjudah]

bob had starting qb "talent" year 1 with the Shannys. He has NOT looked like a starter as of late.............imo

[riggofan]

How in the world does anybody possibly evaluate Gruden objectively at this point? Fire him because he hasn't turned Griffin into a pocket passer in half a year???

We are a fan base of idiots.

[Deadskins]

bob had starting qb "talent" year 1 with the Shannys. He has NOT looked like a starter as of late.............imo

Perhaps not, but he is the current starter, and that isn't going to change based on fans' evaluations.

[SkinsJock]

This franchise needs stability and continuity - Griffin might not be here next season and Gruden may not be a really good HC

to want players or coaches gone before the season even starts is really a shame

let's hope that everybody stays healthy and that we see a franchise on the mend from the Snyder fiasco

[PulpExposure]

How in the world does anybody possibly evaluate Gruden objectively at this point? Fire him because he hasn't turned Griffin into a pocket passer in half a year???

We are a fan base of idiots.

What gives you any evidence that he's an actual capable head coach?

For example, he did something I haven't seen even college coaches do; he brought his spat with his starting QB into the public eye, humiliating him. Don't like the guy? Great, bench him. Don't go public with your feelings. As the head coach you're supposed to set the example. And that's the example he chose to set?

[oneman56]

How in the world does anybody possibly evaluate Gruden objectively at this point? Fire him because he hasn't turned Griffin into a pocket passer in half a year???

We are a fan base of idiots.

What gives you any evidence that he's an actual capable head coach?

For example, he did something I haven't seen even college coaches do; he brought his spat with his starting QB into the public eye, humiliating him. Don't like the guy? Great, bench him. Don't go public with your feelings. As the head coach you're supposed to set the example. And that's the example he chose to set?

This is my biggest beef with Gruden. His public handling of RGIII and the quarterback situation in general has been awful and he's done nothing as the figure head of the franchise to calm the social storm surrounding this team, if anything he's made it worse by airing his derogatory comments to the media. To me, some of the HC's primary responsibilities should be to set the right example and foundation, to instill an attitude, confidence and belief system for the team to buy into and IMO he's failed miserably at this. I don't doubt he knows his X's and O's and may even game plan ok, although Cinci fans would tell you different, but there's much more to being a HC and I don't think he's displayed admirable traits i'd like to see out of a coach. Maybe Snyder is to blame for much of this, I don't know anymore, but nobody is forcing Gruden be childish with the media...that's solely on him. We'll see how this year goes but i'm not impressed with him so far, he'd be wise to steal from the Belichick book of media handling.

[riggofan]

How in the world does anybody possibly evaluate Gruden objectively at this point? Fire him because he hasn't turned Griffin into a pocket passer in half a year???

We are a fan base of idiots.

What gives you any evidence that he's an actual capable head coach?

For example, he did something I haven't seen even college coaches do; he brought his spat with his starting QB into the public eye, humiliating him. Don't like the guy? Great, bench him. Don't go public with your feelings. As the head coach you're supposed to set the example. And that's the example he chose to set?

Yeah I'm sure you're 100% right. Let's fire another coach and fix all of our problems. Gruden hasn't turned this franchise around in a year, oh and also we don't like how he talked about the QB.

[Deadskins]

How in the world does anybody possibly evaluate Gruden objectively at this point? Fire him because he hasn't turned Griffin into a pocket passer in half a year???

We are a fan base of idiots.

What gives you any evidence that he's an actual capable head coach?

For example, he did something I haven't seen even college coaches do; he brought his spat with his starting QB into the public eye, humiliating him. Don't like the guy? Great, bench him. Don't go public with your feelings. As the head coach you're supposed to set the example. And that's the example he chose to set?

This is my biggest beef with Gruden. His public handling of RGIII and the quarterback situation in general has been awful and he's done nothing as the figure head of the franchise to calm the social storm surrounding this team, if anything he's made it worse by airing his derogatory comments to the media. To me, some of the HC's primary responsibilities should be to set the right example and foundation, to instill an attitude, confidence and belief system for the team to buy into and IMO he's failed miserably at this. I don't doubt he knows his X's and O's and may even game plan ok, although Cinci fans would tell you different, but there's much more to being a HC and I don't think he's displayed admirable traits i'd like to see out of a coach. Maybe Snyder is to blame for much of this, I don't know anymore, but nobody is forcing Gruden be childish with the media...that's solely on him. We'll see how this year goes but i'm not impressed with him so far, he'd be wise to steal from the Belichick book of media handling.

I agree with this to a point. We didn't see Gruden do the same thing with Kirk or Colt, though, so I have to wonder if he did it with RGIII to bring him back down to earth.

[SkinsJock]

There are a number of things that both Gruden and Griffin have done that both will have learned from ...

what's more important is their relationship this season ...

we're soon going to find out ....

[OldSchool]

Cut Griffin loose now, we all know he can't play a WCO good enough to be on the roster. Evaluate Gruden after he coaches a season with his choice at QB, whether that is McCoy or Cousins because either guy can make it work much better than Griffin. Gruden may end up being a good coach and partner with SM once Griffin is gone.

[SkinsJock]

Cut Griffin loose now, we all know he can't play a WCO good enough to be on the roster. Evaluate Gruden after he coaches a season with his choice at QB, whether that is McCoy or Cousins because either guy can make it work much better than Griffin. Gruden may end up being a good coach and partner with SM once Griffin is gone.

sorry mate - you obviously have not been paying attention ... the guys in charge here are not letting the "NFL guys" decide who plays QB

why would they get rid of the guy they want at QB despite what his coach and the GM think

Jay is stuck with playing Griffin till .... who knows when?

Scot is stuck with trying to evaluate and plan around a QB that cannot help the offense

we all are stuck with hoping for a miracle turnaround ... and ... the old - "wait till next season" before this season even begins

[riggofan]

I agree with this to a point. We didn't see Gruden do the same thing with Kirk or Colt, though, so I have to wonder if he did it with RGIII to bring him back down to earth.

This exactly. I don't think either Kirk or Colt are suffering from ego problems right now.

I don't really get why folks have their panties so twisted up about this in the first place. We complain relentlessly about how Griffin has been coddled, then we complain that the coach called him out? I'm 100% GLAD he did that last year. Griffin needs a kick in the *** and he still doesn't seem to have gotten the message.

Btw thought this one was funny after PulpExposure claimed "not even a college coach would do that":
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... josh-rosen

Jim Mora isn't ready to name Josh Rosen his starting quarterback, and he doesn't care who knows it.

The UCLA coach blasted his true freshman quarterback during practice Wednesday within earshot of reporters, then turned to the media and said: "Tell your readers that is why he has not been named the starter."

Yeah whatever. I'm sure you don't have to look that hard to find numerous examples of successful NFL coaches calling out their prima donna QBs in the past. Go take a look at what Bill Parcells had to say about Rick Mirer and even Drew Bledsoe at times.

We're just so full of crap as a fan base sometimes. We're really going to wet our pants when the coach speaks too harshly in public about the QB? What kind of pee wee football league is this? Do we think a no-BS coach like Bill Cowher would mince words with Griffin if he were here? Give me a break and man up.

[OldSchool]

Cut Griffin loose now, we all know he can't play a WCO good enough to be on the roster. Evaluate Gruden after he coaches a season with his choice at QB, whether that is McCoy or Cousins because either guy can make it work much better than Griffin. Gruden may end up being a good coach and partner with SM once Griffin is gone.

sorry mate - you obviously have not been paying attention ... the guys in charge here are not letting the "NFL guys" decide who plays QB

why would they get rid of the guy they want at QB despite what his coach and the GM think

Jay is stuck with playing Griffin till .... who knows when?

Scot is stuck with trying to evaluate and plan around a QB that cannot help the offense

we all are stuck with hoping for a miracle turnaround ... and ... the old - "wait till next season" before this season even begins

I understood the question to be what would you do? I'd let Gruden cut Griffin if he wanted to and pick his QB and see if the team looked improved over 2014. I'm actually somewhat optimistic and think with Cousins starting they could win 7-8 games because the running game and defense look better and I think Kirk would do a better job if he was told the job was really his for a season. I think the SM & JG partnership has potential and would like to clear the Griffin wreckage off the track and see how things go.

[PulpExposure]

I agree with this to a point. We didn't see Gruden do the same thing with Kirk or Colt, though, so I have to wonder if he did it with RGIII to bring him back down to earth.

We're just so full of crap as a fan base sometimes. We're really going to wet our pants when the coach speaks too harshly in public about the QB? What kind of pee wee football league is this? Do we think a no-BS coach like Bill Cowher would mince words with Griffin if he were here? Give me a break and man up.

No. Cowher would have benched the dude, kept his criticism inside the locker room, and when asked why they benched the QB, "He wasn't performing." Period. Nothing else.

And there's a massive difference between what Mora said, and what Gruden said. Gruden wasn't trying to motivate a freshman qb. It wasn't constructive criticism; it was just the airing of dirty laundry. Something you expect a disgruntled player to do, not the head coach of your professional football franchise. To recap:

Robert had some fundamental flaws. His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can't happen. He stepped up when he didn't have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert, it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.

This is breaking down a players faults for public consumption. When the media cites those statements as startling doesn't it tell you that this is atypical?

Or hell, did you forget Gruden's absolutely awful giveup fourth quarter against the Giants last year? Including the delay run, the punt on 3rd down, the short pass as time expired? That's all Griffin's fault, too, right? What kind of coach does that? What does it tell your locker room?

Again, tell me why you think Gruden will be a success? What have you seen out of him that makes you think that he will be? To me, he won't because he doesn't act like an NFL head coach. Why do you believe otherwise?

And again, I give him this year to show otherwise. Zorn got 2 years, as did Spurrier. Would you have been happy with a 3rd year with either of those? Sadly, they had better records than Gruden at this point, too...

[StorminMormon86]

Gruden inherited a mess, and a crummy roster. He also had some leftovers from the Shanahan era on his coaching staff. And he also didn't have the benefit of having a "real GM". So I would wait to see if there is some decent signs of improvement (.500 or even 7-9) before I'd be on board with firing him.

Griffin on the other hand, he's done. Accept it and move on.