Pulse Check... weakest position?

[redskinz4ever]

could it be that rg3 will never be the guy .... that first year was sick and he got hurt and the defenses in the nfl study your weaknesses and exploit them thus until rg3 proves he can be a consistant QB not all pro he will struggle.
he struggles with foot work he struggles with reading a defense he is a turnover machine not just ints. imo the injury has very little to do with the lack of rg3s skill set .... meaning he is still no where near a QB that gruden needs(pocket passer) in this system hopefully he proves me wrong but i won't hold my breath

[StorminMormon86]

Yeah, that's what I said.

I'm not saying that Alf didn't contribute mightily to the division title, just that the driving force behind that success was RGIII.

Then who do you blame for the woes of 2013 and 2014? Because if Griffin was the driving force behind the success of 2012, I'd wager he was the driving force behind the failure of 2013-2014...no?

[PulpExposure]

Yeah, that's what I said.

I'm not saying that Alf didn't contribute mightily to the division title, just that the driving force behind that success was RGIII.

Then who do you blame for the woes of 2013 and 2014? Because if Griffin was the driving force behind the success of 2012, I'd wager he was the driving force behind the failure of 2013-2014...no?

Absolutely. But you weren't talking about 2013 and 2014 until just now. Your quote was:

And that division title in 2012 was just as much (if not more) on Alfred Morris as it was Griffin.

In 2012, RG3 was the engine that drove that offense. Morris was obviously a factor, but not to the extent that RG3 was.

Morris has been consistent. He's not an elite back, he's a good back. He doesn't strike fear in defenses, because he's basically only a threat to go 4 yards a carry. And he can't catch the ball for crap.

But he had an elite year in 2012 because the QB played at a high level. He had ok to good years in 2013 (1275 yards, 4.6 per carry) and 2014 (1,074 yards, 4.1 per carry), because the QB played terribly. He's not Adrian Peterson, putting out monster years regardless of the QB, and forcing teams to gameplan around him. I'm pretty sure teams are cool with him getting 60 yards on 15 carries and a half a TD every game (2014 production)...

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

See things are still the same here... Lol

[fredp45]

lots of posters are off topic...

Clearly, and obviously, our weakest position changed Thursday night, about 8:45 pm -- we are now in dire need of Tight Ends -- not one, but two!

Zach Miller is still available and might be a good one year option.

Maybe we wait until cuts are made in the next few weeks and get a vet that way. The Ravens have a bunch of good TEs, they can't keep them all!

[oj]

lots of posters are off topic...

Clearly, and obviously, our weakest position changed Thursday night, about 8:45 pm -- we are now in dire need of Tight Ends -- not one, but two!

Zach Miller is still available and might be a good one year option.

Maybe we wait until cuts are made in the next few weeks and get a vet that way. The Ravens have a bunch of good TEs, they can't keep them all!

Agreed, TE situation is grim. We need a kickoff specialist as well, if Kai is our FG we need another kicker that can put the ball at the back of the endzone. Kai puts it to the front (if at all) and the returner has momemtum in his favor. Returners are specialists, too good to be given an oppertunity.
Did they actually hire a quarterback to teach RGIII how to play? You kiddin me?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Um...a QB coach is normal. It was abnormal that we hadn't had one. The QB coach actually "teaches" all the qbs how to play too.

Is Ty Long going to kick off too? The guy we had last camp was doing damn good on both KOs and fgs, Lao won out but more so being a vet then beating him. We need a monster leg in KOs

[DarthMonk]

The guy we had last camp was doing damn good on both KOs and fgs, Lao won out but more so being a vet then beating him. We need a monster leg in KOs

Zach Hocker ... a Saint now. We shoulda kept him.

[StorminMormon86]

Absolutely. But you weren't talking about 2013 and 2014 until just now. Your quote was:

And that division title in 2012 was just as much (if not more) on Alfred Morris as it was Griffin.

In 2012, RG3 was the engine that drove that offense. Morris was obviously a factor, but not to the extent that RG3 was.

Morris has been consistent. He's not an elite back, he's a good back. He doesn't strike fear in defenses, because he's basically only a threat to go 4 yards a carry. And he can't catch the ball for crap.

But he had an elite year in 2012 because the QB played at a high level. He had ok to good years in 2013 (1275 yards, 4.6 per carry) and 2014 (1,074 yards, 4.1 per carry), because the QB played terribly. He's not Adrian Peterson, putting out monster years regardless of the QB, and forcing teams to gameplan around him. I'm pretty sure teams are cool with him getting 60 yards on 15 carries and a half a TD every game (2014 production)...

Ok to good years in 2013-14? Really? I'd say that rushing a total nearly 1,300 yards (roughly 300 less than 2012) for less attempts (59 less attempts than 2012) would be a great year. And he had even less attempts in 2014. In other words, he's stayed consistent, despite poor QB play. And outside of a few monster years, Peterson's YPC are roughly the same as Morris.

[Countertrey]

See things are still the same here... Lol

Not quite...
Your English has improved tremendously!

[1niksder]

See things are still the same here... Lol

Not quite...
Your English has improved tremendously!

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

See things are still the same here... Lol

Not quite...
Your English has improved tremendously!

Lies!! I've successfully used a comma, hyphen, and a semicolon in single sentences- often; turning paragraphs into sentences!!!

[PulpExposure]

Ok to good years in 2013-14? Really? I'd say that rushing a total nearly 1,300 yards (roughly 300 less than 2012) for less attempts (59 less attempts than 2012) would be a great year. And he had even less attempts in 2014. In other words, he's stayed consistent, despite poor QB play. And outside of a few monster years, Peterson's YPC are roughly the same as Morris.

2014 - 11th in league in yards, tied for 23rd in yards per carry (same ypc as the immortal Boobie Dixon), long carry of 30 yards. That's a definition of an ok year.
2013 - 4th in league in yards, tied for 11th in yards per carry, longest carry of 45. That's a good year.
2012 - 2nd in league in yards, 9th in yards per carry, long carry of 39 yards. Best year.

Note that each year he's declined. It's consistent, agreed, consistently declining.

Comparing Morris a real elite RB, Adrian Peterson has averaged 5.0 ypc for his career. Alfred has never had a season averaging that. Alfred's career average (4.5 ypc) is basically the worst year Peterson had (4.4 ypc). Longest carry Alfred has ever had is 45 yards. Peterson hasn't had a year where he hasn't had a longer carry. They're not even in the same discussion.

Love Alfred Morris, I do, but don't be a homer. He's not a real threat; he's a workhorse. If the coaches felt they were complete at RB, why draft Matt Jones in the 3rd round? That's a relatively high draft pick for a running back, and he's not exactly what you call a 3rd down back.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

^^^ true life.. His homerun threat is severely hindered by his lack of the top gear. Yards after contact has always been his strong suite

[HEROHAMO]

are you kidding? he's already been put in his place by many fans and his QB rating by the media is the lowest of the starting QBs - plus he knows his position as starting QB for this franchise WILL be taken away from him in a heartbeat if he does not show improvement

nobody's saying or intimating that Griffin's improvement is stunning but it's clearly been enough for him to hold the starting QB job ... for now

the starting QB job here is CLEARLY up for grabs - many predicted that Cousins would easily show that he was a better QB than the inept QB that Griffin had clearly become - this has not happened - Griffin seems to have shown the only people that matter, the coaches, who is the best QB

the detractors are just haters and do not want to accept that the coaches know more about a player's potential than they do

Griffin may not prove that he's a good starting NFL QB, but, all he has to do now is show he's better than McCoy or Cousins, that's easy

You actually think by taking potshots at McCoy or Cousins somehow that offends me...good for you.

The poster I quoted had questioned how good Griffin would be if we had someone other than Gruden as the coach. I asked that poster at what point is Griffin held accountable? It's simple.

Hes been held accountable.

Are you going to give him credit if he has a good season?

[StorminMormon86]

Hes been held accountable.

Are you going to give him credit if he has a good season?

Absolutely.

[StorminMormon86]

2014 - 11th in league in yards, tied for 23rd in yards per carry (same ypc as the immortal Boobie Dixon), long carry of 30 yards. That's a definition of an ok year.
2013 - 4th in league in yards, tied for 11th in yards per carry, longest carry of 45. That's a good year.
2012 - 2nd in league in yards, 9th in yards per carry, long carry of 39 yards. Best year.

Note that each year he's declined. It's consistent, agreed, consistently declining.

Comparing Morris a real elite RB, Adrian Peterson has averaged 5.0 ypc for his career. Alfred has never had a season averaging that. Alfred's career average (4.5 ypc) is basically the worst year Peterson had (4.4 ypc). Longest carry Alfred has ever had is 45 yards. Peterson hasn't had a year where he hasn't had a longer carry. They're not even in the same discussion.

Love Alfred Morris, I do, but don't be a homer. He's not a real threat; he's a workhorse. If the coaches felt they were complete at RB, why draft Matt Jones in the 3rd round? That's a relatively high draft pick for a running back, and he's not exactly what you call a 3rd down back.

I'm not putting him at an elite level a la Peterson, but the guy was a 6th round draft pick. He's definitely a work horse, and I think that's exactly what this kind of offense needs. Jones could be the RB of the future if there is no deal inked with Morris, but I think they drafted him because of his explosiveness, and that certainly will help in 3rd down situations.

[markshark84]

The only thing I don't hold him accountable for, is not having a QB coach until this season. How ridiculous is that? You draft a QB #2 overall, and you don't even hire a QB coach to guide him until his 4th season?

I think there is some truth to this, but Kyle Shanahan was a pretty good mentor to RGIII. I think egos started getting in the way after 2012.

Last year was completely set up for disaster. We shall see this year. IMHO this year is a wash anyway, so give him a bit of a leash (at least to the bye weeek) and see what he can do. If he is playing like he did last year and Cousins continues to have a preseason like he is currently having, then consider making a change..... but hopefully it won't get to that.