emoses14 wrote:You and I agree on the usefulness of training camp reports. I too am anxious to see the team tomorrow and Griffin and the O starters should be in for at least a quarter according to reports. But, I have found some (Keim in particular) to be helpful because the things he chooses to harp on/detail in his reports are the kind of things that translate into performance on the field, more often than not. For instance, he won't really get into how the safeties look until there is a full scrimmage or game with hitting because you can't judge a safety who isn't allowed to fly to the ball and hit. He was the one who rightfully pointed out first last year that Griffin didn't look great or comfortable, etc. in the new offense. So I do put stock into what he has to say because I find him to be honest without adding the kind of biased spin that I've seen from a Jason Reid type.
Yeah, Keim is very good. I also read Rich Tandler's coverage. The WaPo writers aren't nearly as insightful. Jason Reid seems to write specifically to annoy certain people, which (as someone with no dog in the fight) I find pretty boring. He and Clarke also hedge their predictions to the point where they are meaningless, whereas Tandler and Keim at least give their best guess and let it stand.
emoses14 wrote:You and I agree on the usefulness of training camp reports. I too am anxious to see the team tomorrow and Griffin and the O starters should be in for at least a quarter according to reports. But, I have found some (Keim in particular) to be helpful because the things he chooses to harp on/detail in his reports are the kind of things that translate into performance on the field, more often than not. For instance, he won't really get into how the safeties look until there is a full scrimmage or game with hitting because you can't judge a safety who isn't allowed to fly to the ball and hit. He was the one who rightfully pointed out first last year that Griffin didn't look great or comfortable, etc. in the new offense. So I do put stock into what he has to say because I find him to be honest without adding the kind of biased spin that I've seen from a Jason Reid type.
Yeah, Keim is very good. I also read Rich Tandler's coverage. The WaPo writers aren't nearly as insightful. Jason Reid seems to write specifically to annoy certain people, which (as someone with no dog in the fight) I find pretty boring. He and Clarke also hedge their predictions to the point where they are meaningless, whereas Tandler and Keim at least give their best guess and let it stand.
I should have mentioned Tandler, too. I think Keim's analysis is better (honestly, I think he might be the best beat football writer I've read), but Tandler has the same balanced coverage and honesty to what and how he writes/reports. Especially if you take Tandler and Tarik el-Bashir as a tandem.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
-- Quarterback Robert Griffin III really was sharp in every aspect on Tuesday. In 11-on-11s, he was unofficially 7-for-7 with about 120 yards and a touchdown --- a 55-yard bomb to Paul, who was wide open over the top. In 7-on-7s, Griffin III was 6-for-6 for about 92 yards and a 50-yard touchdown to Pierre Garçon. It’s a nice boost of momentum heading into Thursday’s game against the Browns, in which Griffin III is expected to play “at least” a quarter, Gruden said.
-- Backup quarterbacks Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy were also sharp on the day. Cousins was unofficially 7-for-9 for 94 yards, while McCoy completed 10-of-13 passes for 134 yards and a touchdown (a 40-yarder to Rashad Ross). The difference, however, was that Cousins and McCoy were each likely sacked at least a couple times on the day and then allowed to complete the play. Griffin III probably was not sacked once on the day.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
SkinsJock wrote:cannot wait for Griffin to show that he's worth working with & helping him be the QB this franchise will need when we get things back on track
I think that if Cousins or McCoy were showing anything (even slightly encouraging) they would be getting some praise
I'm not expecting a whole lot but it would be great if we could start to build an offense and a defense around this kid
especially after all the negative outlooks and predictions we've heard
What's ironic is that Griffin is not getting universal praise, and somehow because Cousins and McCoy aren't either, this is a good thing!? I want ONE of the three to take the job and run with it, and the fact that there seems to be a 'meh' feeling about all 3 is not indicative of something to be excited about.
what's good about this is that after last season there was a consensus of opinion that Griffin was not worth spending any time on and that there was ZERO possibility of him showing that he was a better QB than Cousins or McCoy - he is doing just that - that's a very good thing IMO
we need a QB and this kid could be it in 2017, when the franchise is likely to be contending for a playoff spot or the NFC East title
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
StorminMormon86 wrote:You are totally missing my point. Russell was reporting what he heard on 106.7, without the warning he gave in that article he wrote: don't believe every negative report you read, it could mean absolutely nothing. He was selling it like some "groundbreaking" report about Gruden/Griffin's relationship.
I'm not missing your point. Its just not a very good point.
I've often wondered what Chris Russell does in his spare time...now I know!
busted!
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StorminMormon86 wrote:You honestly think that McCoy or Cousins had a legitimate shot to dethrone Griffin as the starter during training camp?
Maybe not, but what does that have to do with Cousins playing well in training camp? From most accounts he hasn't stood out so far.
I think Cousins has every incentive to show what he can do this camp. Even if he has no real shot at winning the job in preseason, there's always the possibility of Griffin getting injured.
Personally I was hoping - and I'm still hoping - that Cousins plays well in August and really makes RGIII earn the job.
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I don't believe a thing coming out of the Redskins camps anymore especially regarding Griffin. Soon we will get a chance to see the Skins play and decide for ourselves if Griffin understands things better this year.
OldSchool wrote:I don't believe a thing coming out of the Redskins camps anymore especially regarding Griffin. Soon we will get a chance to see the Skins play and decide for ourselves if Griffin understands things better this year.
this is not a surprise ... however, if the reports coming out of training camp confirmed your feelings that Griffin is not capable of being an NFL QB, you would undoubtedly be letting everyone here know that these reports confirm what you have known forever ...
I'm looking forward to this game Thursday against your other team ...
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
OldSchool wrote:I don't believe a thing coming out of the Redskins camps anymore especially regarding Griffin. Soon we will get a chance to see the Skins play and decide for ourselves if Griffin understands things better this year.
Of course you don't.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
riggofan wrote:Maybe not, but what does that have to do with Cousins playing well in training camp? From most accounts he hasn't stood out so far.
I think Cousins has every incentive to show what he can do this camp. Even if he has no real shot at winning the job in preseason, there's always the possibility of Griffin getting injured.
Personally I was hoping - and I'm still hoping - that Cousins plays well in August and really makes RGIII earn the job.
I'm just saying that if the consensus is that training camp reports are nothing to invest into, we should disregard when there are reports for up and down days for all 3 QBs. I've heard the most consistent accounts from McCoy: nothing remarkable, but nothing too cringeworthy either. But I'm right there with you, I want Cousins to light it up in the preseason again with the hopes that it lights a fire under Griffin's ass.
OldSchool wrote:I don't believe a thing coming out of the Redskins camps anymore especially regarding Griffin. Soon we will get a chance to see the Skins play and decide for ourselves if Griffin understands things better this year.
this is not a surprise ... however, if the reports coming out of training camp confirmed your feelings that Griffin is not capable of being an NFL QB, you would undoubtedly be letting everyone here know that these reports confirm what you have known forever ...
I'm looking forward to this game Thursday against your other team ...
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
riggofan wrote:Maybe not, but what does that have to do with Cousins playing well in training camp? From most accounts he hasn't stood out so far.
I think Cousins has every incentive to show what he can do this camp. Even if he has no real shot at winning the job in preseason, there's always the possibility of Griffin getting injured.
Personally I was hoping - and I'm still hoping - that Cousins plays well in August and really makes RGIII earn the job.
I'm just saying that if the consensus is that training camp reports are nothing to invest into, we should disregard when there are reports for up and down days for all 3 QBs. I've heard the most consistent accounts from McCoy: nothing remarkable, but nothing too cringeworthy either. But I'm right there with you, I want Cousins to light it up in the preseason again with the hopes that it lights a fire under Griffin's ass.
Not for nothin', but I kind of hope (think) there's a fire lit under RGIII's butt having nothing to do with Kirk Cousins' play. Griffin doesn't need Kirk in order to succeed. I think there is plenty of firewood already out there in addition to his own desire to succeed fueling Griffin. He doesn't need Kirk to give actual substance to the heretofore trumped up QB "controversy" in order to play better.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
IMO - Griffin will get the most reps in practice and will continue to be the 'starting QB' until he shows that he's not OR until Cousins or McCoy clearly demonstrates he should not be the 'starting QB'
for those that think that Cousins or McCoy should be given more time with the first unit - shut up - every position is available to the player that shows he deserves it more - if you want to be a starter here this season all you have to do is show the coaches that you're the better player
as they say in the movies - "let the games begin .."
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:for those that think that Cousins or McCoy should be given more time with the first unit - shut up - every position is available to the player that shows he deserves it more - if you want to be a starter here this season all you have to do is show the coaches that you're the better player
hah. I'm not trying to tell anyone to shut up, but it does seem like a guy like Cousins should be killing it with the second team. If not, I'm not sure why he'd expect to get more reps with the first team.
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OldSchool wrote:I don't believe a thing coming out of the Redskins camps anymore especially regarding Griffin. Soon we will get a chance to see the Skins play and decide for ourselves if Griffin understands things better this year.
this is not a surprise ... however, if the reports coming out of training camp confirmed your feelings that Griffin is not capable of being an NFL QB, you would undoubtedly be letting everyone here know that these reports confirm what you have known forever ...
I'm looking forward to this game Thursday against your other team ...
This is just another smarmy comment from the most gullible guy on this board. You regularly ingest and regurgitate as FACT the Redskin party line without any evidence of critical thinking on your own and then are obnoxious enough to tell others to shut-up up if we don’t buy the Snyder machine BS. I’ve been patient but you’re a waste of pixels.
OldSchool wrote:I don't believe a thing coming out of the Redskins camps anymore especially regarding Griffin. Soon we will get a chance to see the Skins play and decide for ourselves if Griffin understands things better this year.
this is not a surprise ... however, if the reports coming out of training camp confirmed your feelings that Griffin is not capable of being an NFL QB, you would undoubtedly be letting everyone here know that these reports confirm what you have known forever ... I'm looking forward to this game Thursday against your other team ...
This is just another smarmy comment from the most gullible guy on this board. You regularly ingest and regurgitate as FACT the Redskin party line without any evidence of critical thinking on your own and then are obnoxious enough to tell others to shut-up up if we don’t buy the Snyder machine BS. I’ve been patient but you’re a waste of pixels.
be careful, we have rules here ... but, thanks for confirming a few things
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I want to apologize for that post. I was just guilty of being smarmy myself. We both hope Griffin performs well I just don't expect it and you still do.
SkinsJock wrote:IMO - Griffin will get the most reps in practice and will continue to be the 'starting QB' until he shows that he's not OR until Cousins or McCoy clearly demonstrates he should not be the 'starting QB'
for those that think that Cousins or McCoy should be given more time with the first unit - shut up - every position is available to the player that shows he deserves it more - if you want to be a starter here this season all you have to do is show the coaches that you're the better player
as they say in the movies - "let the games begin .."
Shouldn't that be "unless"?
Skins fan since '55
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This fanbase is has plenty of wise ones. However we have plenty clueless fans as well.
Robert has already shown us he can get the job done. He has my support because he already Proved it to me. By rewarding me as a fan with a division title and a nice little playoff game. I want more sure.
Look people. Roberts talent should not be questioned. He made plenty of accurate throws in his rookie season. Does not matter if it was out of the pistol or not. Look at the Saints game, the 2 Cowboys games. Plenty of accurate throws for the world to see. We all praised Robert.
Now I hear all kinds of people saying is he the man for the job!!!!
You have to think about this. Read the next couple sentences a couple times if you have to.
Dan Snyder hired Bruce Allen. Bruce Allen hired Jay Gruden.
Snyder hires these people. But at the same time the people are getting paid to do a job. Bruce Allen so far has been clueless up until the Scotty Mac hire which was a huge hoorah.
People I bet you anything Allen tried to hire Jon Gruden but Jon declined because of Snyder and Jon Gruden recommended his brother Jay Gruden.
Im telling you guys. If we had Bellicheck, Cowher, Carrol or any other experienced coach. We wouldnt be talking about this BS.
It takes experience to be a good head coach. Can we really afford to be grooming a head coach while having a young and rebuilding team? I guess we have no choice this season.
Now some positives. Thank goodness we have Scotty Mac who has filled this roster with upgrades everywhere on the roster.
Jay Gruden will have another shot this season. But his ego and flexibility bothers me.
What in the world has Jay done in this league? To be totally honest and we all should be you have to ask yourself what has Jay Gruden done in this league? So far has has given me a 4 win season for my beloved team! So you bet your bottom dollar he is on my short list!
First off he comes in to D.C. promising that he was the man to get RG3 going. Then he decides four games in that he wants to bench him!!!!!!!
I have no more patience for sub par coaches. I have been a fan now for about twenty plus years now. A football fan for over thirty years. So I know when I see a good head coach. Gruden is not yet a great coach!!!! He may become one eventually. But he is not that yet.
Robert has plenty of room to grow. But heck what twenty something year old young man doesent? We asked for character and we got great character QB in Robert. Sure he is a lil big headed. Probably partly our fault and Snyders. Heck Snyder built a statue for him!!!! Geeminy christmas Robert didnt ask to have statue built for him. We did that for him!
Im telling you guys right now. Robert is the guy. He already showed us he can deliver. Believe and support him. Gruden get your stuff together and have some faith in him. Its obvious he has the talent.
How can a player who is three years removed from being a rookie of the year all of a sudden become a bum!!!!
Ill tell you how drugs. Oops not Robert. Guns nope not Robert. Partying nope not Robert. Too many women nope not Robert.
HEROHAMO wrote:First off he comes in to D.C. promising that he was the man to get RG3 going. Then he decides four games in that he wants to bench him!!!!!!!
Um, Bob got hurt in game two, and didn't come back for eight weeks. I guess he had played in a total of four games when he got benched. Is that what you meant?
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
SkinsJock wrote:for those that think that Cousins or McCoy should be given more time with the first unit - shut up - every position is available to the player that shows he deserves it more - if you want to be a starter here this season all you have to do is show the coaches that you're the better player
hah. I'm not trying to tell anyone to shut up, but it does seem like a guy like Cousins should be killing it with the second team. If not, I'm not sure why he'd expect to get more reps with the first team.
If either Cousins or McCoy lights it up with the 2nd team in these preseason games (I think they alluded to the fact that they would be rotating with the 2nd stringers), you can bet there will be a media/fan driven QB controversy. And that's my biggest fear heading into this year. I don't want a repeat of last year with the QB carousel.
StorminMormon86 wrote:If either Cousins or McCoy lights it up with the 2nd team in these preseason games (I think they alluded to the fact that they would be rotating with the 2nd stringers), you can bet there will be a media/fan driven QB controversy. And that's my biggest fear heading into this year. I don't want a repeat of last year with the QB carousel.
Here, here.
I'm OK with either or both lighting it up in pre-season, so long as Griffin is lighting it up with the first team, too. There's no QB controversy if all three are lighting it up, primarily because the other 2 will be doing so against backups and grocery baggers.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
HEROHAMO wrote:Im telling you guys. If we had Bellicheck, Cowher, Carrol or any other experienced coach. We wouldnt be talking about this BS.
You mean an experienced coach like Mike Shanahan?
This stuff is just crazy. Experienced coordinators can become good coaches. These guys have to start somewhere. Sorry but the big problem with our team right now is not that we need a better coach. We have a head coach with legit OC experience in the NFL. We have an insanely experienced team of position coaches.
Its a little bizarre to me that you start off your post calling other fans clueless and then proceed to go on a rant about Jay Gruden of all things.
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