More details about Snyder, Gruden, RGIII?

[riggofan]

Did anybody else catch this weird information from Chris Russell on the radio yesterday?

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/07/ ... den-rgiii/

With the Redskins entering their second season under coach Jay Gruden, a former Redskins beat reporter and Redskins employee has shed some light on the relationship between coach and quarterback Robert Griffin III.

Chris Russell, who covered the team for six years, tells 106.7 The Fan that, according to a source, Gruden had given up on Griffin as early as last preseason.

The source told Russell, three days after the Redskins’ first preseason game against New England, “Jay was completely at his wits’ end and wanted nothing to do with Robert.”

This sets the backdrop for a rumor Russell had heard around this same time, which he says he “never was able to get confirmed.”

Russell tells 106.7 The Fan that, according to his source, Dan Snyder had called Gruden’s agent, Bob LaMonte, to tell him his client was ‘stealing money.’

At the time, Gruden was in the first year of a five-year, reported $20 million contract that’s fully guaranteed.

Several weeks later Reid alluded to a possible showdown forthcoming between Gruden and Snyder, and several more weeks later the Redskins hired general manager Scot McCloughan.

wtf? Bizarre.

Who knows what's true, but given the weird QB carousel going on last year, none of this would actually surprise me. Seems like a lot of fans were speculating something like this was going on behind the scenes last year.

I really hope with the new GM in place that these issues get resolved and decisions are made by football people, not the owner calling to b*** at the coach's agent.

[riggofan]

Its worth noting btw that Russell talked about this with 106.7 on Wednesday after his contract with 980 (Snyder's station) end on Tuesday.

[Irn-Bru]

At this point, very little would surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me if RGIII has made a few positive steps but the coaches feel he's still very far from being able to start and are more or less assuming that he will not be the starter after preseason or a few weeks into the regular season.

The good news, IMHO, is that everyone — everyone — seems to be on the same page that it's put up or shut up time for Robert. If we are winning then no one is going to be haggling over the details. If Griffin simply isn't going to work out, then it's up to McCloughan and Gruden to work a plan — a plan I'm sure they've already drawn up, just in case. There's no way Snyder will continue to back RGIII or meddle if he has yet another disappointing debut. So I still have hope and am an optimist.

[SkinsJock]

IF this has any credence at all ...

I think it sounds like Scott is in a pretty good place here - this franchise is going to need time to extricate itself from the mess that Snyder created and now he (Scott) has a HC and a QB that might not fit into his plans for building a successful franchise

this is a win win IMO - the HC and the QB better show that they can be a lot better than what we've seen or they are out of here while Scott gets to bring in the players and coaches he thinks can get the job done

it was always going to take a year or two - no big deal

I Like it

[riggofan]

IF this has any credence at all ...

I think it sounds like Scott is in a pretty good place here - this franchise is going to need time to extricate itself from the mess that Snyder created and now he (Scott) has a HC and a QB that might not fit into his plans for building a successful franchise

this is a win win IMO - the HC and the QB better show that they can be a lot better than what we've seen or they are out of here while Scott gets to bring in the players and coaches he thinks can get the job done

it was always going to take a year or two - no big deal

I Like it

Totally agree SJ. stories like this really reinforce how important the GM is here. Not just for building the roster either!

[DEHog]

Far be it for me to defend Dan Snyder, but (if true) he’s justified IMO. You know that item number 1 in the job description to coach the team, was to ability to coach RGIII. I’m quite certain that Gruden sold it to Snyder and Allen that he was the man for the job. Sorry but you can’t come back before the first game is played and say “I’m done”! This (along with the fact that we have a new GM who didn’t hire him) is the reason I’ve been saying that if the Skins don’t play some meaningful game in December, I could see Gruden being fired.

[SkinsJock]

Scott is not that short sighted and he does not care about playing 'meaningful games in December' of this year - he wants to play meaningful games when the team has a good core of players here - players and coaches that do not show a lot of improvement will not be here next season no matter what the record is - Scott is trying to repair the damage done by bad management

Biggest thing for Gruden this season is to PROVE that he's a good HC

the wins may come this season but we need Scott to continue rebuilding this franchise and repairing the damage

[fredp45]

I really tire of reading threads about Dan Snyder and all the stuff he does (or is accused of doing) -- doesn't anyone else??

I skimmed the first post, saw what it was and shook my head!

Can't we let it go? Can't we just get excited about 2015 and what Scot has done so far to improve our team?

To me, sports are about hope, fun, and competition - NOT dysfunction and drama!

[riggofan]

I really tire of reading threads about Dan Snyder and all the stuff he does (or is accused of doing) -- doesn't anyone else??

I skimmed the first post, saw what it was and shook my head!

Can't we let it go? Can't we just get excited about 2015 and what Scot has done so far to improve our team?

To me, sports are about hope, fun, and competition - NOT dysfunction and drama!

I get what you're saying Fred, but I personally think this stuff is worth keeping up on and here's why:

EVERY single time we get somebody new in here, we're told how things are different now and every time we find out late in the game that nothing is different. Look at Mike Shanahan. I remember when he was hired, we were told, OK we're giving full control to this very experienced, Super Bowl winning coach and things are different. Well, no they weren't. Clearly. Then its Bruce in control as GM with Jay at coach, things will be different. Well, no they're apparently not because the owner is still out there doing this BS.

And of course now its Scot McCloughan. We have the GM here and things will be different. I want to believe it as much as anybody, and I like what we've seen from SM so far. But given our history if you're a Skins fan who has completely bought into that then you are nuts.

Anyway, feel free to ignore the discussions about what's going on behind the scenes. I don't blame you for being tired of it all.

[SkinsJock]

I think most of us tired, frustrated and pissed about the way we've been obviously misled

hopefully, this is change we can believe in ... however, this is Washington


we will soon see if we're finally heading in the right direction

[riggofan]

hopefully, this is change we can believe in ... however, this is Washington

we will soon see if we're finally heading in the right direction

Truth. I think its all about success, SJ. It seems like Snyder is at his worst when things are rocky - which unfortunately for us has been most of the time. He just can't seem to help himself.

I hope Scot and Jay show real improvement with the team this season. Build some credibility. It will go a long way towards keeping Snyder in the backseat where he belongs.

[SkinsJock]

hopefully, this is change we can believe in ... however, this is Washington

we will soon see if we're finally heading in the right direction

Truth. I think its all about success, SJ. It seems like Snyder is at his worst when things are rocky - which unfortunately for us has been most of the time. He just can't seem to help himself.

I hope Scot and Jay show real improvement with the team this season. Build some credibility. It will go a long way towards keeping Snyder in the backseat where he belongs.

+1 - We have all wanted things to be better and, speaking for myself, have rationalized that surely Snyder can see what his meddling has done

hopefully we will see some improvement in the play on the field and in the attitude of both players and coaches

I understand that it will most likely take time but I'm still hoping for a much quicker turnaround

[DEHog]

Hope and Change hmmm...where have I heard that before

[riggofan]

Fred won't want to hear this, but some more details from Russell. Worrisome to say the least...

On the radio again last Friday, Russell wanted to make clear he was standing by his reporting. “At least one person continues to tell me that Jay is still in no way, shape or form a fan, a supporter, a believer, a truster in Robert Griffin III,” he told The Junkies.

Russell also partially revealed one of his sources to be a coach on Gruden’s staff, saying, “A coach came up to me on his own — a coach on Jay Gruden’s staff — and said, ‘Jay is at his wits’ end, he has no idea what to do with this guy. Can’t stand this guy. Wants to give up, doesn’t want to start him, doesn’t want to play him.'”

This source, Russell insisted, has been “rock solid.”

According to Russell, Gruden had to convince Snyder “for several hours” last fall that benching Griffin was the proper call, suggesting the owner was very much a part of football decision-making.

“He had to, from what I was told, convince by going into Dan Snyder’s office for several hours last year in late November, to convince Dan why he needed to bench Robert, why he needed to take him out, why he was hurting the game,” Russell said.

“Does Jay have the ultimate authority?” he continued. “I don’t think he has the free and clear authority to do exactly what he wants. But if Jay does make that move — at whatever point he does — and Colt McCoy, who he prefers over Kirk Cousins, does not rescue the team, then that looks really bad on Jay.”

While Russell says he believes Gruden does not dislike Griffin as a person, he says their professional relationship has not improved from the strained state it reached last season.

“Other executives, other people that have been in the building and that are still in this building feel exactly the same way,” he added. “And it’s players, it’s executives, it’s scouts.”

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/08/ ... bench-rg3/

[emoses14]

From THE source himself, and not Chris Russell's unimpeachable one:

#redskins #video Jay Gruden on RG3: "He's Handled Everything Well"

Link to presser:

http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/v ... 6626ada57e

Quote comes in first few minutes of video. Since Jay is such a straight shooter not afraid to tell it like it is, I assume we give him the same credibility when he's not "taking Robert down a peg or two", right?

[StorminMormon86]

Either Russell is bitter because of his contract not being renewed, and is either making this up or embellishing details, or Russell is being truthful and couldn't reveal anything because he was under contract at the time for Snyder's radio station.

[SkinsJock]

so, we have Chris Russell informing us that Gruden absolutely does not want to work with Griffin and Chris C00ley reporting that Griffin is showing improvement from last season

Chris ey ✔@thecooleyzone
The Redskins offense and @RGIII looked solid today at practice. RGIII had great presence and accuracy and he took control of the day.#redskins

same old BS reporting

[riggofan]

so, we have Chris Russell informing us that Gruden absolutely does not want to work with Griffin and Chris C00ley reporting that Griffin is showing improvement from last season

That's not at all what Russell reported. He's been sharing a story from LAST year. Given the weird QB carousel situation last year and how that all played out, I don't find anything he's said to be especially unbelievable. Do you guys honestly believe Gruden was happy with Griffin last year???

I also don't think that story means that Gruden is completely done with RGIII this year either. From all appearances, it seems like Gruden has been working with Griffin and giving him every opportunity to succeed.

[DEHog]

Last week, former Redskins employee Chris Russell, who covered the team for six seasons, told 106.7 The Fan Gruden was “at his wits’ end” with Griffin after the team’s first preseason game against New England last year, and “wanted nothing to do with Robert.”

This is the part that's hard to believe...

[SkinsJock]

... some more details from Russell. Worrisome to say the least ...

so ... whom do we give more credence to, Russell or Gruden?


Gruden was brutally honest about Griffin last season and he's recently indicated that Griffin is showing improvement

Scot McCloughan knows what he's got with Gruden and Griffin - if Gruden cannot handle the job, he will not be here for long

[riggofan]

... some more details from Russell. Worrisome to say the least ...

so ... whom do we give more credence to, Russell or Gruden?


Gruden was brutally honest about Griffin last season and he's recently indicated that Griffin is showing improvement

Exactly. I'm not sure what you're rolling your eyes about. Do you see much difference between what Russell reported from last year and what Gruden himself said and did last year?

Russell isn't reporting anything about this year.

[riggofan]

Last week, former Redskins employee Chris Russell, who covered the team for six seasons, told 106.7 The Fan Gruden was “at his wits’ end” with Griffin after the team’s first preseason game against New England last year, and “wanted nothing to do with Robert.”

This is the part that's hard to believe...

Yeah that would be shocking if its true. Could definitely be exaggerated though coming from one of the staff coaches. That wouldn't be surprising.

[SkinsJock]

... some more details from Russell. Worrisome to say the least...

On the radio again last Friday, Russell wanted to make clear he was standing by his reporting. “At least one person continues to tell me that Jay is still in no way, shape or form a fan, a supporter, a believer, a truster in Robert Griffin III,” he told The Junkies.

say what? is this 'quote' from 2014?

[SkinsJock]

... so ... whom do we give more credence to, Russell or Gruden?

Gruden was brutally honest about Griffin last season and he's recently indicated that Griffin is showing improvement

Exactly. I'm not sure what you're rolling your eyes about. Do you see much difference between what Russell reported from last year and what Gruden himself said and did last year?

Russell isn't reporting anything about this year.

Yes! that post makes it sound like Russell feels that way this year

[riggofan]

... some more details from Russell. Worrisome to say the least...

On the radio again last Friday, Russell wanted to make clear he was standing by his reporting. “At least one person continues to tell me that Jay is still in no way, shape or form a fan, a supporter, a believer, a truster in Robert Griffin III,” he told The Junkies.

say what? is this 'quote' from 2014?

Oh my god, man. Seriously? He's telling a story about something that happened last season. The quote is about what he was told after the preseason game with the Patriots last year.

If I write "The Northern States were at war with the Southern states" it doesn't mean they are currently at war just because I am writing it today.

Anyyyyyyway....