NFC East Offensive line Rankings

[Deadskins]

I do think that our OL gets a ton of crap for a lot of things RGIII did. The fact Scot hasn't focused on this is IMHO an indication of where he stands on the issue.

True about RGIII, also the other two QBs as well. But, I'm not so sure how telling it is about Scot's opinions on the QBs or the current OL. It might be more of an indication of a strong OL draft class and a weak FA one.

[Countertrey]

I do think that our OL gets a ton of crap for a lot of things RGIII did. The fact Scot hasn't focused on this is IMHO an indication of where he stands on the issue.

True about RGIII, also the other two QBs as well. But, I'm not so sure how telling it is about Scot's opinions on the QBs or the current OL. It might be more of an indication of a strong OL draft class and a weak FA one.

It's also true that Scot DID pursue OL free agents... But none panned out.

[EA7649]

Evan Mathis Guard, Philadelphia was cut. Hmm... Future Redskins?

[grampi]

I doubt there are more than one or two lines that can rival Dallas' at the moment.

Dallas apparently thinks their O line is good enough to plug-in any back and still be successful in the running game...I don't share that notion...I think letting Murray go is going to kill their ground game...

[SkinsJock]

Evan Mathis Guard, Philadelphia was cut. Hmm... Future Redskins?

- sorry, but I don't think so ...

[mastdark81]

Even if they pick up the worse olineman in the league to play RG their line probably would hold its on. We just have 1 guy in Trent Williams that would ultimately start for a lot of other clubs.

This isn't true at all. I can just about guarantee you that Lauvao and Lichtenstieger would start elsewhere. (The guy we cut in favor of Lichtenstieger became the Broncos starting center.) Chester is old, but even he would compete for a starting position on a handful of teams where guard was a big weakness.

I hear ya I didn't say they couldn't. There are a lot of poor teams in the league that could plug them in but I was saying that Trent is the only guy that would start on ALOT of teams even some of the good offensive line units. Kory is middle of the pack at best. Lauvao is at the bottom probably 20-32 ranked type of left guard in my opinion based upon not his salary but his actual play from Cleveland and the 1 year with us.

Broncos is a bad example. Denver had a poor line and could not run the ball with consistency. We cut Will because Kory had more upside and could play two positions, additionally Will couldn't play guard. If you notice they like to only keep one true center and our backup centers typically be guards that are capable of swinging.

As you know, centers are least exposed on the offensive line when going primarly against the 4-3 base teams, therefore we didn't often see a 1 on 1 match up with Kory L against a NT. When we did he struggled often and he struggled at guard as well the previous year. He can do some ok things and if you have good guys around him our line can be good but he can be replaced (don't have to this year). Chris ey says he's good now all of sudden people jump on the bandwagon, not knowing he's good friends with the guy and doesn't kill him like he should in film review.

[riggofan]

Evan Mathis Guard, Philadelphia was cut. Hmm... Future Redskins?

- sorry, but I don't think so ...

He's a good player, cut because of salary. 33 years old though so I don't see it.

[SkinsJock]

it takes time to get a good O line together and the only player here that might make it to 2017 opening day is Williams ...

nobody else is worth much

[mastdark81]

it takes time to get a good O line together and the only player here that might make it to 2017 opening day is Williams ...

nobody else is worth much

We think alike. Look like they may be content with waiting a year and having Moses compete with Compton. I just dont see any RT being picked with the 5th pick.

Other alternatives would be the post draft veteran cuts.

Honestly I know you have to show patience and im glad we were agressive on defense but Id rather them shore up the oline first. It will help our qbs or potential drafted qb. Any qb come here by the 5th game behind this line their toast!

[mastdark81]

Evan Mathis Guard, Philadelphia was cut. Hmm... Future Redskins?

- sorry, but I don't think so ...

He's a good player, cut because of salary. 33 years old though so I don't see it.

I hear you. But I dont think he was cut. I think the Eagles are going to wait until after the draft...but if he was cut I would definitely bring him in over keeping a 32 year old Chester. Would be an immediate upgrade, be cheaper and you can move Shawn Lauvua back to rg where he was at in Cleveland for now.

[Bishop Hammer]

the Redskins' QB play last season did not help the Offensive line look good ... that's a fact

but it's also a fact that no current NFL QB could have helped our Offensive line look good

I dare say Rodgers and Brady could have. Maybe Luck too.

Yes they would. Neither of them would hold the bloody ball for eons locking on their first receiver, giving away to the defense what they are thinking, then running when that doesn't work.

Cousins & McCoy did better behind the same line that, somehow, failed Griffin.

[riggofan]

I hear you. But I dont think he was cut. I think the Eagles are going to wait until after the draft...but if he was cut I would definitely bring him in over keeping a 32 year old Chester. Would be an immediate upgrade, be cheaper and you can move Shawn Lauvua back to rg where he was at in Cleveland for now.

Yep you're right about that. I knew they were talking about releasing him if they couldn't find a trade partner, so I just assumed eA7649's post was correct.

My only question about what you wrote is the "cheaper" part. He doesn't want to take a pay cut in Philly (in fact, he wants more money), so I don't see why he would take less money to play here.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

the Redskins' QB play last season did not help the Offensive line look good ... that's a fact

but it's also a fact that no current NFL QB could have helped our Offensive line look good

I dare say Rodgers and Brady could have. Maybe Luck too.

Yes they would. Neither of them would hold the bloody ball for eons locking on their first receiver, giving away to the defense what they are thinking, then running when that doesn't work.

Cousins & McCoy did better behind the same line that, somehow, failed Griffin.

I know im in the minority here but there are a lot of factors not being acknowledged. Robert faced stiffer opposing pass rush then the other two as well as having a multitude of injuries and shifting of the linemen to compensate. Id say Kirk had the healthiest line vs the least avg rank of pass rush opposition, thus padding his sack rate... that and well just hucking it to the wrong team w his eyes closed in the half second he had before getting drilled.
Am i blind to the fact that he took 7 steps instead of 3? No. But seems like no one remembers him getting pile drivered on GOOD plays... or having dlinemen nearly taking the handoff from Morris after waltzing through our open door of a line.
Watching Morris' decline through the season is also pretty telling of this group IMO.

I also think game plans for opposing Ds changed per qb. Not sure where to stat check it but teams definitely brought the heat when Robert and Colt were in- maybe thats just the level of pass rush being better like I mentioned.

[Irn-Bru]

I hear ya I didn't say they couldn't. There are a lot of poor teams in the league that could plug them in but I was saying that Trent is the only guy that would start on ALOT of teams even some of the good offensive line units. Kory is middle of the pack at best. Lauvao is at the bottom probably 20-32 ranked type of left guard in my opinion based upon not his salary but his actual play from Cleveland and the 1 year with us.

Broncos is a bad example. Denver had a poor line and could not run the ball with consistency. We cut Will because Kory had more upside and could play two positions, additionally Will couldn't play guard. If you notice they like to only keep one true center and our backup centers typically be guards that are capable of swinging.

As you know, centers are least exposed on the offensive line when going primarly against the 4-3 base teams, therefore we didn't often see a 1 on 1 match up with Kory L against a NT. When we did he struggled often and he struggled at guard as well the previous year. He can do some ok things and if you have good guys around him our line can be good but he can be replaced (don't have to this year). Chris ey says he's good now all of sudden people jump on the bandwagon, not knowing he's good friends with the guy and doesn't kill him like he should in film review.

I remain pretty skeptical of Tom Compton too. To be honest I feel like I haven't had a great chance to evaluate him just because our offense as a whole was doing so poorly.

[yupchagee]

I'd be more comfortable with Compton as the swing OT, not a starter.

[Irn-Bru]

Of course these are my own personal rankings as a total starting unit, however I'm pretty sure most will agree...with the exception of maybe the Giants. But my point is isn't ironic how the oline rankings here matches the division leaders identically? Coincidence?

1. Dallas - (LT) T. Smith, (LG) R. Leary, (C) T. Frederick, (RG) Z. Martin, (RT) D. Free
2. Eagles - (LT) J. Peters, (LG) E. Mathis, (C) J. Kelce, (RG) void, (RT) L. Johnson
3. Giants - (LT) W. Beatty, (LG) W. Richburg, (C) J .Walton, (RG)J.Jerry, (RT) J. Pugh
4. Redskins - (LT) T. Williams, (LG) S. Lauvao, (C) K. Lichtenstieger, (RG) CChester, (RT) T. Compton

hint* hint* management!!

I know there are not many guys available in free agency but maybe make an inquiry on Alex Boone OG in San Fran. He's not happy with his contract and we cannot I mean cannot keep Chester, especially at his salary at least.

So things look a little different today. Dallas picked up 1st round OT talent as an undrafted free agent in addition to drafting an OT in the 3rd round. IMHO they are the undisputed champs of the East so far as offensive line is concerned, and they very well could have the best line in the entire league.

The Eagles just cut Mathis, the latest nonsurprise in Kelly's hubristic offseason. They've still got an elite LT and good RT, but lots of question marks otherwise and absolutely no depth at guard. (They'll be lucky to get one starting-quality player out of what they have.)

In the draft, we took the guy the Giants wanted to improve their offensive line. I love the one-two punch that represents. Flowers will probably be a starter for them, but it doesn't look to me like they've improved much since the time this thread first ran.

The Redskins, meanwhile, now have a (likely) solid RT. Chester is gone, with an intense competition to fill his spot that is likely to yield improvement. We also picked up a man who might be the best OL coach in the league, which I'm more and more appreciating as a real improvement. Plus, we can now see that we're switching to more of a power running scheme that will fit our strengths better.

So, I'm calling it this way now:

1. Cowboys
2. Skins
3. Eagles
4. Giants

With the following qualifications: Dallas is well ahead of the rest of us, the Skins/Eagles are close enough that I could see switching them or calling it a tie for now, and the Giants are a real step behind that.

[riggofan]

No idea how to judge the Eagles right now, and I'm not sure about the Skins either. I do think you're right that the Giants are going to be the weakest of the bunch. Just lost their starting LT, didn't they?

Btw I was reading the other day that LeRib has been getting some work at center in OTAs. I know that's partially out of necessity in case someone gets hurt. Thought it was interesting though. He's considerably bigger than Lichtensteiger and younger obviously. Could he realistically challenge for the position?

[mastdark81]

Of course these are my own personal rankings as a total starting unit, however I'm pretty sure most will agree...with the exception of maybe the Giants. But my point is isn't ironic how the oline rankings here matches the division leaders identically? Coincidence?

1. Dallas - (LT) T. Smith, (LG) R. Leary, (C) T. Frederick, (RG) Z. Martin, (RT) D. Free
2. Eagles - (LT) J. Peters, (LG) E. Mathis, (C) J. Kelce, (RG) void, (RT) L. Johnson
3. Giants - (LT) W. Beatty, (LG) W. Richburg, (C) J .Walton, (RG)J.Jerry, (RT) J. Pugh
4. Redskins - (LT) T. Williams, (LG) S. Lauvao, (C) K. Lichtenstieger, (RG) CChester, (RT) T. Compton

hint* hint* management!!

I know there are not many guys available in free agency but maybe make an inquiry on Alex Boone OG in San Fran. He's not happy with his contract and we cannot I mean cannot keep Chester, especially at his salary at least.

So things look a little different today. Dallas picked up 1st round OT talent as an undrafted free agent in addition to drafting an OT in the 3rd round. IMHO they are the undisputed champs of the East so far as offensive line is concerned, and they very well could have the best line in the entire league.

The Eagles just cut Mathis, the latest nonsurprise in Kelly's hubristic offseason. They've still got an elite LT and good RT, but lots of question marks otherwise and absolutely no depth at guard. (They'll be lucky to get one starting-quality player out of what they have.)

In the draft, we took the guy the Giants wanted to improve their offensive line. I love the one-two punch that represents. Flowers will probably be a starter for them, but it doesn't look to me like they've improved much since the time this thread first ran.

The Redskins, meanwhile, now have a (likely) solid RT. Chester is gone, with an intense competition to fill his spot that is likely to yield improvement. We also picked up a man who might be the best OL coach in the league, which I'm more and more appreciating as a real improvement. Plus, we can now see that we're switching to more of a power running scheme that will fit our strengths better.

So, I'm calling it this way now:

1. Cowboys
2. Skins
3. Eagles
4. Giants

With the following qualifications: Dallas is well ahead of the rest of us, the Skins/Eagles are close enough that I could see switching them or calling it a tie for now, and the Giants are a real step behind that.

I agree with Dallas, although for now I still think we may be 3rd on the list. You may be right but I think the Eagles are still slightly #2 because Kelce edges out Kory L...J.Kelce is a pro bowl and have been playing at a high level the last few years. Both teams are full of unknowns at the guard position so they even out. I do feel we clearly jump the Giants due to a few of our oline pickups, Callahan, and Gruden and staff being more parallel on how they want to run the ball.

[OldSchool]

How does the Skin's line compare to the others in the division? The Cowboys and Giants definitely had better lines in 2014. The Eagles probably did also but their offense is so much different than the Skins it is harder to compare.

I definitely think the OL run blocking has been major part of the problem and judging by his draft SM believes it is a problem. I think the pass protection was perhaps adequate because Cousins and McCoy seemed to have enough time last year. Griffin's sack issues were of his own making because he didn't change protections, drifted out of the pocket, dropped to the wrong level and just didn't process and pull the trigger at NFL speed, hopefully Griffin will be substantially improve in 2015. I hope this year the run blocking is improved so Morris and others to get yards lessen the burden on our QB and the defense. The Skins had very significant defensive issues in 2014 also but because of weak run blocking the offense didn't grind enough clock running the ball and didn't help the defense.

[Irn-Bru]

So things look a little different today. Dallas picked up 1st round OT talent as an undrafted free agent in addition to drafting an OT in the 3rd round. IMHO they are the undisputed champs of the East so far as offensive line is concerned, and they very well could have the best line in the entire league.

The Eagles just cut Mathis, the latest nonsurprise in Kelly's hubristic offseason. They've still got an elite LT and good RT, but lots of question marks otherwise and absolutely no depth at guard. (They'll be lucky to get one starting-quality player out of what they have.)

In the draft, we took the guy the Giants wanted to improve their offensive line. I love the one-two punch that represents. Flowers will probably be a starter for them, but it doesn't look to me like they've improved much since the time this thread first ran.

The Redskins, meanwhile, now have a (likely) solid RT. Chester is gone, with an intense competition to fill his spot that is likely to yield improvement. We also picked up a man who might be the best OL coach in the league, which I'm more and more appreciating as a real improvement. Plus, we can now see that we're switching to more of a power running scheme that will fit our strengths better.

So, I'm calling it this way now:

1. Cowboys
2. Skins
3. Eagles
4. Giants

With the following qualifications: Dallas is well ahead of the rest of us, the Skins/Eagles are close enough that I could see switching them or calling it a tie for now, and the Giants are a real step behind that.

I agree with Dallas, although for now I still think we may be 3rd on the list. You may be right but I think the Eagles are still slightly #2 because Kelce edges out Kory L...J.Kelce is a pro bowl and have been playing at a high level the last few years. Both teams are full of unknowns at the guard position so they even out. I do feel we clearly jump the Giants due to a few of our oline pickups, Callahan, and Gruden and staff being more parallel on how they want to run the ball.

I disagree that we are full of unknowns at guard: we have a known starter at one spot and just cut a capable starter at the other based on our confidence in the people behind him. Yes, not everything is settled and secure, but that's a long way from Philly's predicament. The Eagles don't have any known quantities to put in the game. They just cut their one (very good) starter based on personality conflicts with the coach, not because they have a solid personnel plan they are executing.

For that reason, while I can see an argument that their LT, C, and RT combo is better than ours (I don't think it is, but I can see the argument), I still give the nod to the Redskins.

[Deadskins]

The Eagles don't have any known quantities to put in the game. They just cut their one (very good) starter based on personality conflicts with the coach, not because they have a solid personnel plan they are executing.

Mathis is coming off two straight Pro-Bowl seasons, but he is also 33 years old, and didn't come to OTAs because he wants a new contract. I'm not sure how much that falls under personality conflict, rather than a solid personnel plan. The Smeagols have always been notorious for cutting players, rather than giving them new contracts in their later years. Nevertheless, They still won't be having his services this season, so the result is the same. Do you think the Scot is looking into adding Mathis?

[Hooligan]

Do you think the Scot is looking into adding Mathis?

I bet Vinny would.

Send the jet!

[Irn-Bru]

The Eagles don't have any known quantities to put in the game. They just cut their one (very good) starter based on personality conflicts with the coach, not because they have a solid personnel plan they are executing.

Mathis is coming off two straight Pro-Bowl seasons, but he is also 33 years old, and didn't come to OTAs because he wants a new contract. I'm not sure how much that falls under personality conflict, rather than a solid personnel plan.

Players miss OTAs over contract disputes with some regularity, and a vet like this guy isn't really harming anyone when he sits out OTAs.

I don't think the issue was whether they were going to be giving him a new contract, signing an old guy to a long-term deal. Mathis was under contract and would have played this year had the Eagles stuck it out. Rather, the conflict with Kelly that put things over the top, so far as I can tell. For example, Kelly is now saying that they were just giving Mathis what he wanted, because he requested to be released. However, Mathis says he last asked to be released back in March, when he obviously was going to fetch more on the market, and that he hasn't requested it since. The Eagles have kind of screwed him over for this year, because I don't think he has a chance of making elsewhere what he was going to make as an Eagle this year. That kind of snubbing suggests that there is bad blood.

The Smeagols have always been notorious for cutting players, rather than giving them new contracts in their later years. Nevertheless, They still won't be having his services this season, so the result is the same. Do you think the Scot is looking into adding Mathis?

Right . . . and it's not like the Eagles can use the cap space this created. All the good FAs are gone. They created a hole that needs to be filled, and that's about it.

I would doubt that we're eager to add him, but who knows? I bet he'd be a serviceable player for 1-2 years, which frankly sounds kind of like what we need. But the one thing I have some confidence in is that McCloughan will only bring him in if it's a good deal for the team with minimal risk (ala Pot Roast).

[Countertrey]

Frankly, watching Kelly REPEATEDLY release blue chip players who may have voiced disagreement with him suggests that Coach Kelly has an ego the size of the state of Texas, and that he does not tolerate even the hint of a challenge.

I'm thinking that the Eagles have a huge problem with this man... They just don't know it, yet...

[HEROHAMO]

I am obviously biased as probably we all are. But I actually think we should have one of the best Olines in the league.

If we already have one of the best LTs in TW already. Now we just drafted the best Offensive tackle in this years draft to start at RT. That means we just covered both ends.

Now the biggest change I am happy with is Callahan being our Oline coach and he just helped Ttit build the best Oline in the league. So how can I not be confident in this upcoming year.

With all the prospects we have I am confident Calahan will make a stud guard or two out of them.

So my final conclusion is we will have one of the best Olines in the league my years end. We surely will have a much better time running the ball. Not sure how our passing game will be but it will be much better then last.