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SkinsJock wrote:getting the best player in the draft with the 5 pick is a huge deal for this FO and IMHO would be better than trading out of the 5 slot and getting 2 good players

we do need to add a lot of young starters but this kid will be a force for a long time


Agreed unless we can get #1 trade value... 1st and 2nd this year, 1st the next 2 years, and other misc pispics... but dont see anyone giving that up for a d line player no matter how good he is.
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Prowl33 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:getting the best player in the draft with the 5 pick is a huge deal for this FO and IMHO would be better than trading out of the 5 slot and getting 2 good players

we do need to add a lot of young starters but this kid will be a force for a long time


Agreed unless we can get #1 trade value... 1st and 2nd this year, 1st the next 2 years, and other misc pispics... but dont see anyone giving that up for a d line player no matter how good he is.

Yeah... The only way that could possibly happen would be if Marriota was on the board... And someone was stupid (Mike Ditka) desperate...
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Back to the 2010 draft http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/2/832449 ... riots-2010 Niners and Seahawks had banging drafts...good optimism for the redskins
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Shouldn't this technically be in the general manager page?
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EA7649 wrote:Shouldn't this technically be in the general manager page?

prolly... but, at 21 pages (at the time this reply was entered), it's a wash, 'specially since it's pretty much about the Redskins draft, and what might impact it...
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Countertrey wrote:Trust me. You add Williams to this now very good line, and "beast line" WILL apply.


LOL. I hope you are right..... but Williams landing at 5 is unlikely, right?

"Beast" DLs have to get to the QB on a consistent basis.
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I'm kind of laughing about this mock draft I pulled off today on fanspeak. Not sure which of their boards I was using, but needless to say I was happy to get Landon Collins in the third round AND Danny Shelton in the fourth. :)

I just couldn't pass on Winston when dropped to #5. Sorry Griff!

5: R1P5
QB JAMEIS WINSTON
FLORIDA STATE

38: R2P6
DE SHANE RAY
MISSOURI

69: R3P5
S LANDON COLLINS
ALABAMA

105: R4P6
DT DANNY SHELTON
WASHINGTON

141: R5P5
WR DORIAL GREEN-BECKHAM
OKLAHOMA

182: R6P6
G A.J. CANN
SOUTH CAROLINA

222: R7P5
CB LADARIUS GUNTER
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^^ the FO guys would run to the podium if they could make all those picks
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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SkinsJock wrote:^^ the FO guys would run to the podium if they could make all those picks


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This was a pretty good ESPN insider piece which may be of interest. " The SackSEER projections are based on a statistical analysis of the factors that best predict the pass-rushing success of edge rushers (4-3 defensive ends and 3-4 outside linebackers). SackSEER correctly predicted a number of busts at the edge rusher position, including Dion Jordan, Jarvis Jones, and Courtney Upshaw, and identified both Justin Houston (a third-rounder for Kansas City) and Jamie Collins (taken in the late second round by New England) as significant sleepers."

Their top projected edge rusher:
1. Vic Beasley, Clemson

Projection: 34.1 sacks through Year 5
Scouts, Inc.: No. 25 overall
Similar Historical Prospects: Von Miller, Andre Carter

Beasley gives you almost everything you want in an edge-rusher prospect. He was consistently productive in college, recording 32 sacks and nine passes defensed over a four-year career. Where Beasley really shined was the combine, where he recorded a 4.53-second 40-yard dash, a 41-inch vertical jump, a 12-foot, 10-inch broad jump, and a 6.91-second 3-cone, all of which are well above average.


Their most likely to be "busts":

5. Dante Fowler Jr., Florida

Projection: 21.1 sacks through Year 5
Scouts, Inc.: No. 12 overall
Similar Historical Prospects: Jermaine Cunningham, Shea McClellin

Fowler's forecast is boosted by his high projected draft position. Otherwise, SackSEER projects Fowler as an excellent candidate to join the ever-growing stable of disappointing Florida Gators edge rushers: Derrick Harvey, Jarvis Moss and Jermaine Cunningham.

There does not seem to be anything magical about Florida that causes their edge rushers to turn into busts -- Harvey, Moss and Cunningham each had poor SackSEER projections, and Fowler fits the same mold. Fowler recorded only 11.5 sacks during his entire three-year career -- that's only half a sack more than Beasley recorded in his senior year alone. Fowler had a nice 4.60-second 40-yard dash, but he performed poorly on the vertical jump, the broad jump, and the 3-cone -- three drills that are equally important but often overlooked.


6. Shane Ray, Missouri

Projection: 20.2 sacks through Year 5
Scouts, Inc.: No. 15 overall
Similar Historical Prospects: Vernon Gholston, Ray Edwards

Of all the top edge-rusher prospects available in the 2015 NFL draft, Ray is the most likely to disappoint. He draws in our model the most dreaded comp of all: Vernon Gholston. Like Ray, Gholston rocketed to the top of draft boards on the strength of his strong junior year, but he also had an exceptionally poor passes defensed rate -- with only three passes defensed during a three-year career. Ray was even worse on this score, recording only one pass defensed in his college career.

Moreover, despite having the reputation as an athletic player, Ray was just a little better than average on his 40-yard dash at his pro day (he wasn't able to run at the combine because of an injury) and was inconsistent on his jumps. Most notably, he also recorded a 3-cone of 7.70 seconds, which would rank as the 12th-slowest in SackSEER's entire database.

It is not all bleak for Ray, as similar players such as Ray Edwards, Derrick Burgess, and Calvin Pace had some pass-rushing success, but Ray's profile suggests a player who lacks the upside worthy of a pick in the top half of the first round.


Top sleeper:
Davis Tull, Tennessee-Chattanooga

Projection: 11.7 sacks through Year 5
Scouts, Inc.: No. 110 overall
Similar Historical Prospects: Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Connor Barwin

This year Tull is SackSEER's No. 1 sleeper. He had an amazing set of workouts, recording vertical and broad jumps of 42.5 inches and 11 feet, respectively, at the NFL combine, and running a 4.57-second 40-yard dash at his pro day. Tull faced an inferior level of competition in the FCS Southern Conference, but history teaches us that nearly all late-draft successes at the edge-rusher position come from smaller schools. He projects as the No. 9 pass-rusher in this class, according to our model. That's impressive, given he's viewed as more of a mid- or late-round pick.

That said, Tull is far from a guaranteed draft-day steal. His sack production was good, but it falls short of some of the real standout late-drafted edge-rushers -- such as Jared Allen and Robert Mathis -- and he had only one pass defended in a four-year career, which is a major red flag.



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Some sites still think we take Sherff........? hmmmmmmmmmmm......... idk
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Per Peter King:

*5. ST. LOUIS
Kevin White, WR, West Virginia.

*Trade: In exchange for giving St. Louis the fifth pick, Washington gets the 10th and 72nd pick.

Washington GM Scot McCloughan badly wants to trade this pick, because his needs don’t match the players on the board. The Rams don’t love anyone on the board here, but a premier player at wideout is a big need. Interesting if it happens: The two big receiver stars in recent Mountaineer history, White and Tavon Austin, would be together in Missouri.



Then Skins take:


*10. WASHINGTON
Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri.

*Trade: In exchange for the No. 5 pick, St. Louis sends Washington the 10th and 72nd.

Good first move for McCloughan, if he can gather another pick while nabbing a pass-rusher in the process to replace Brian Orakpo.
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tribeofjudah wrote:Per Peter King:

*5. ST. LOUIS
Kevin White, WR, West Virginia.

*Trade: In exchange for giving St. Louis the fifth pick, Washington gets the 10th and 72nd pick.

Washington GM Scot McCloughan badly wants to trade this pick, because his needs don’t match the players on the board. The Rams don’t love anyone on the board here, but a premier player at wideout is a big need. Interesting if it happens: The two big receiver stars in recent Mountaineer history, White and Tavon Austin, would be together in Missouri.



Then Skins take:


*10. WASHINGTON
Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri.

*Trade: In exchange for the No. 5 pick, St. Louis sends Washington the 10th and 72nd.

Good first move for McCloughan, if he can gather another pick while nabbing a pass-rusher in the process to replace Brian Orakpo.


Scot would never trade our pick for a move back to 10 and a 3rd rounder, horrible value. We would be much better off taking whatever top pass rusher is on the board or take white or cooper ourselves.

As of right now minus Kerrigan and Williams every player on the roster is replaceable via the draft over the next 4-5 years.
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Prowl33 wrote:Scot would never trade our pick for a move back to 10 and a 3rd rounder, horrible value. We would be much better off taking whatever top pass rusher is on the board or take white or cooper ourselves.

As of right now minus Kerrigan and Williams every player on the roster is replaceable via the draft over the next 4-5 years.


I don't know. I ran those picks through the NFL draft pick calculator. Its not great value, but you're still getting a top 10 pick where you can get a quality pass rusher if you want. An extra early third round pick could be a big help to this team. Compare possibilities:

No trade:
#1 - OLB Vic Beasley
#2 - OT Andrus Peat
#3 - WR Nelson Algholor

Trade w/Rams:
#1 - DE Shane Ray (Randy Gregory, Alvin Dupree, whichever top pass rusher you like)
#2 - OT Andrus Peat
#3 - WR Breshad Perriman
#3 - S Kurtis Drummond ? RB TJ Yeldon ? C Andy Gallik ? CB Byron Jones ? Just looking positionally at some of the guys who might be available at that pick.

I wouldn't call that horrible value at all. If nothing better was offered, I'd probably take that trade.
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Peat probably won't make it to the 2nd and Byron Jones won't make it to the 3rd round...
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fredp45 wrote:Peat probably won't make it to the 2nd and Byron Jones won't make it to the 3rd round...


That may be, but so what? If either of those guys goes higher then that still means that teams passed on some other good players. i.e. Somebody takes Andrus Peat in the first round, so now Ereck Flowers is available there.

My point remains the same. You can make that Rams trade that King is proposing, still get a pass rusher and walk away with FOUR good players instead of THREE.

Andrus Peat was available at R2P5 in four different auto drafts I ran btw. I know he's a good player, but that doesn't mean there aren't 36 players who get picked ahead of him.
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No one can argue that another 3rd wouldn't be helpful for our roster, however, it all depends on who you get at 10 (or 12 or 15 or wherever you might trade back to) vs what is there at #5. If Fowler or Williams fall to #5, they might be worth taking over the extra pick you get. To me, it's why you wait until draft day to make a trade. A team at 10-15 might really covet Williams or Cooper or White at #5 and are willing to overpay -- their 1st and 2nd (and maybe more) this year. Another 2nd round pick is really appealing.
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tribeofjudah wrote:Per Peter King:

*5. ST. LOUIS
Kevin White, WR, West Virginia.

*Trade: In exchange for giving St. Louis the fifth pick, Washington gets the 10th and 72nd pick.

Washington GM Scot McCloughan badly wants to trade this pick, because his needs don’t match the players on the board. The Rams don’t love anyone on the board here, but a premier player at wideout is a big need. Interesting if it happens: The two big receiver stars in recent Mountaineer history, White and Tavon Austin, would be together in Missouri.



Then Skins take:


*10. WASHINGTON
Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri.

*Trade: In exchange for the No. 5 pick, St. Louis sends Washington the 10th and 72nd.

Good first move for McCloughan, if he can gather another pick while nabbing a pass-rusher in the process to replace Brian Orakpo.


Is King the guy who lobbied against Art Monk forever?

Anyway, I'm thinking if we traded back to #10, the other throw-in would with either have to be in the middle of the second round or a third rounder this year and another third rounder next year.

Now moving from #5 to #8-and-#42 via Atlanta would be nice - not that they are dying to move up to #5. But they've done that kind of thing before (Julio).
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DarthMonk wrote:Is King the guy who lobbied against Art Monk forever?

He's one of them, yes. But only because he's a sheep that follows whatever Dr. Z (a lifelong Giants fan) tells him to do.
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Deadskins wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:Is King the guy who lobbied against Art Monk forever?

He's one of them, yes. But only because he's a sheep that follows whatever Dr. Z (a lifelong Giants fan) tells him to do.


He's also incredibly smug, tendentious, and has an obnoxiously assured self-righteous streak.
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